turborobb

I have been and still am a huge fan of the whole 80's Hair Metal era... I think that type of rock was the best ever, and a million times better than those so called grunge and alternative 90s bands that stood in one place and mumbled at the floor about how depressed they were while playing two cords wearing a gas station attendant shirt.

GnR's first album was very good, but I don't get all the attention they get. Axl hasn't done anything in over 10 years and comes back with a completely different band and calls it GnR?? I don't think so.

If you want to listen to some good new hard rock music, get the new LA Guns CD, the new Poison CD or the new Dokken CD. It isn't right that classic "hair" bands like Warrant, LA Guns, Tesla, Firehouse, Quiet Riot, and on and on, have been putting out great new rocking CDs with awesome new songs and still have been touring all over and for the most part their original members all during the 90s and 00's and don't get any airplay or notice... and Axl Rose has been hiding away for 10 years and can't get along with any of his band members and he gets to play on MTV. Go Figure.

Bass God

This thread is making me sick. Get your facts straight, people:


Izzy Stradlin was the guy who wrote their best songs. He was the one person who gave this band that classic Rolling Stones-y Rock n' Roll sound. Every true die-hard GN'R fan knows this.

They will never be Guns n' Roses without Izzy Stradlin. This new incarnation is just a pathetic cover band.

MJKTool

Well you seem to think that these bands that you listed were in the same league as Guns N' Roses. Tesla was a very good underated band, but Warrant?? Firehouse?? come on! None of those bands were even close to the popularity of GNR.
AXL Rose and GNR managed to propel themselves to The Rolling Stones kind of popularity in those few years. It only makes sense that people are curious to see if AXL can pull it off again.

lordzeppelin

What was the middle song they played at the VMAs...I can't think of it for the life of me.


they played welcome to the jungle- ????? -Paradise City

Matt

This is correct, and what I've been saying all along.

What's Izzy done, since he left in 1991--two, or three albums?
He's put out almost as much music alone in those eleven years than GN'R has put out, total. I've only got the first one ("Ju Ju Hounds"), and while its no Appetite, it's a good, solid, rock-n-roll record. I think I remember hearing that his other album(s) is (are) pretty decent, too.

Meanwhile, the only "original" "GN'R" song released was the mediocre "Oh My God" from the End of Days soundtrack. Everything else has been cover songs.

Everybody knows about Axl and Slash, but the real fans know how important Izzy was. I'd like to see the actual credits for the songwriting on Appetite--everything that I've ever seen officially lists the whole band as the songwriters, but I'd bet Izzy had a big hand in pretty much everything (Steven probably wrote nothing, Duff and Slash might have written a few, and Axl might have written a few more).

turborobb

no, my point was I think those bands I listed are not in the same league as GnR, because they are much better.

you are right... Warrant and Firehouse didn't have the "popularity" of GnR (even tho they both had Billboard #1 songs and Multi-Platnuim records) but that was the whole point of my post, I don't understand why some very average hair band that doesn't have any of it's original members and hasn't done a thing in over 10 years should get all this attention when bands like Warrant, LA Guns and Firehouse have been touring and putting out new albums all during the last 12 years and get no attention.

But I guess in your mind "popularity" is more important than actually having talent, touring with most their original members and putting out new records. By that logic Nsync is the greatest music group ever.

Matt

Because who is much better--Trixter, or Guns N' Roses? You're a bit ambiguous here.

You might lump all of these bands together as "hair bands", but there was always something a little different about Gn'R, that made them more than just a hair band to a lot of people. Gn'R had balls, for one thing.

And the reason that they're getting the attention now is because they haven't done anything for ten years. People are curious to see what the "new" Guns N' Roses is going to sound like, going to look like. They wonder what Axl has been doing in his basement for the last eight years.

And some of it has to do with the fact that Guns N' Roses killed themselves, while Nirvana killed all of the other chick bands.

Weren't you just telling us about the "Billboard #1 songs and Multi-Platnuim (sic) records" that Winger and Steelheart had?

turborobb

Sorry, I meant the other hair bands are much better than GnR. Trixter?? I haven't thought about them in a while, LOL your examples are a little extreme, they pretty much sucked and haven't done anything for over 10 years! (hey, kind of like GnR)


Ok, I'm tired of bands and fans of those bands saying "We were more than just another hair band" Be It GnR, Def Leppard, Tesla, LA Guns, Great White or whoever... come down to reality.. they were Hair Bands!! I wonder when grunge becomes un-cool if Pearl Jam and STP will start saying "we shouldn't be lumped in with all those other grunge bands, we were different"... give me a break, GnR came from the same Sunset Strip scene that Warrant, Ratt and all the others came from. Deal with it, they are a hair band... Tracii Guns (the original GnR guitarist) formed LA Guns, Gilby Clark has been in all types of hair metal LA bands, come on, GnR is the ultimate hair glam metal band.

Matt

When someone thinks that Firehouse was a better band than Guns N' Roses, their opinion immediately and automatically becomes null and void.

MJKTool

You asked a fricking question buddy and I answered it alright. You asked why GNR after 10 years gets more attention than those other lame bands you mentioned. It was because they were 10000X more popular at the time. Dont put words into my mouth. When someone says that Warrant of Firehouse is a better band than GNR they loose absolute credibility imo.

It was bands like Warrant, Winger, Enuff Z Nuff, Nelson, Trixter, Firehouse, etc etc etc that killed off the Metal scene in the late 80's early 90's. So thank your legends for that why dont you.

lordzeppelin

So, is my question above being ignored like usual, or does no one know?

MJKTool

I believe it was one of their new songs. Im not sure the name of it tho.

Matt

"Madagascar".

lordzeppelin

THAT'S IT! I couldn't remember for the life of me. I DLed that one a while ago...

Gratzi!

dek

Mazinger

"Hair bands" didn't kill metal. Each band pretty much killed themselves. No bands were doing anything new, it was the same old *****. It was time for a change.

IMO the albums GNR put out after Use Your Illusions were pretty much garbage. Apettite For Destruction will forever be one of the best metal albums.

That's why Nirvana and "alternative" got so big. It was different and new.

lordzeppelin

Agreed, since uh, the only thing they put out after that was a lame album of covers...It's not like they followed up on Illusions with some kind of crap that flopped...Things began to fall apart thereafter.

But how really do you follow up Use Your Illusions? I mean really, they were set up for the fall.

All being said though, I heard a 'version' of Chinese Democracy last year, and it was actually good, and would have been a worthy followup to Illusions, and solidified G'N'R as one of the best ever, but it's just taken too long.

So I guess the question comes down to this - Is Axl ready to be the messiah of rock, saving us from the same old crap that all sounds the same on the radio and bringing back some balls to music, or can he accept the fact that he let it pass and blew it all, watching his dream of the return to glory flop in his face?

einTier

"Constantinople"

Matt

"Istanbul".

Josh-da-man

"That's nobodies business but the Turks."

Jason

I think I see your point. A lot of bands are out there working their asses off and receive nothing but derision because of the way they dressed 15 years ago, while "Guns and Roses" gets to close the MTV VMA's based on the reputation of a single album, also 15 years old.

einTier

Not what I was referring to, but I'll continue the hijack with my favorite line...

"So if you've got a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul."

lordzeppelin

Damn, someone beat me to it...

Mazinger

Maybe this has already been answered, but why was Axl at the MTV awards?

Who's idea was this?

Bass God

To play some songs. Duh.