Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > Movie Talk
Reload this Page >

Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Community
Search
Movie Talk A Discussion area for everything movie related including films In The Theaters

Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-08-22 | 06:21 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 3,403
Received 31 Likes on 28 Posts
Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

The thread title says it all.
Now that the Academy has thrown down Will Smith's punishment, it got me thinking:

Could you look past the sins of an artist -

Will Smith,
Bill Cosby,
Roman Polanski,
Woody Allen,
Harvey Weinstein


...and still admire their art or their contributions to entertainment?

Has a person fallen from grace so much that it's tainted your view of their body of work as a whole?

Popular Reply

04-08-22, 06:25 PM
d2cheer
DVD Talk Legend
 
d2cheer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Posts: 12,262
Received 461 Likes on 332 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Will Smith does not belong on a list of rapists. Even though we all know he is a POS.
GTFO
Old 04-08-22 | 06:25 PM
  #2  
d2cheer's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 12,262
Received 461 Likes on 332 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Will Smith does not belong on a list of rapists. Even though we all know he is a POS.
GTFO
The following 12 users liked this post by d2cheer:
Dan (04-08-22), EdTheRipper (04-08-22), Hailey G (04-10-22), IBJoel (04-09-22), John Pannozzi (04-08-22), Meathead (04-09-22), Nesbit (04-09-22), Norm de Plume (04-08-22), tanman (04-14-22), TGM (04-08-22), Throwing Copper (04-08-22), Trevor (04-08-22) and 7 others liked this post. (Show less...)
Old 04-08-22 | 06:27 PM
  #3  
lwhy?'s Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 11,661
Received 1,164 Likes on 861 Posts
From: Nashville and Crossville, TN
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Bill Cosby was a great, talented comedian, but it’s all tainted for me now.
Old 04-08-22 | 06:30 PM
  #4  
The Cow's Avatar
Premium Member
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 25,077
Received 1,201 Likes on 774 Posts
From: Grazing in a field somewhere...
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

The following 3 users liked this post by The Cow:
jpcamb (04-09-22), Nesbit (04-09-22), Trevor (04-08-22)
Old 04-08-22 | 06:30 PM
  #5  
Ash Ketchum's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 13,246
Received 476 Likes on 354 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Originally Posted by jeffkjoe
The thread title says it all.
Now that the Academy has thrown down Will Smith's punishment, it got me thinking:

Could you look past the sins of an artist -

Will Smith,
Bill Cosby,
Roman Polanski,
Woody Allen,
Harvey Weinstein


...and still admire their art or their contributions to entertainment?

Has a person fallen from grace so much that it's tainted your view of their body of work as a whole?
Weinstein's hard to avoid because he produced so many films, particularly the Tarantino ones, but of the others the only one whose work I might want to revisit is Roman Polanski, regardless of their off-screen crimes/behavior.
The following users liked this post:
John Pannozzi (04-08-22)
Old 04-08-22 | 07:34 PM
  #6  
Thread Starter
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 3,403
Received 31 Likes on 28 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Originally Posted by jeffkjoe
The thread title says it all.
Now that the Academy has thrown down Will Smith's punishment, it got me thinking:

Could you look past the sins of an artist -

Will Smith,
Bill Cosby,
Roman Polanski,
Woody Allen,
Harvey Weinstein


...and still admire their art or their contributions to entertainment?

Has a person fallen from grace so much that it's tainted your view of their body of work as a whole?

Yeah, maybe I should’ve added someone like

Mel Gibson

in there so the list of sinners wouldn’t have been 4 rapists plus Will Smith


Old 04-08-22 | 07:35 PM
  #7  
rocket1312's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 8,137
Likes: 0
Received 1,804 Likes on 1,229 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

​​​Not sure what Woody Allen did, but I watch his movies all the time.

I love the Cosby Show, but I'll admit that it's a bit more difficult to watch these days.

It's pretty easy for me to ignore the behind the camera types. I thought Harvey Weinstein was an a-hole before all this stuff came out and it didn't affect me back then, so it doesn't now.
​​​​

Old 04-08-22 | 07:38 PM
  #8  
Kurt D's Avatar
DVD Talk Reviewer/Moderator
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 17,090
Received 2,684 Likes on 1,729 Posts
From: Formerly known as L. Ron zyzzle - On a cloud of Judgement
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

I was able to understand the point of your post.

For me it's all subjective but on the whole I'm able to look past it. I wouldn't go out of my way to give money to some of them, so to speak, but I won't refuse to watch Rosemary's Baby or Mad Max.
Old 04-08-22 | 07:50 PM
  #9  
kd5's Avatar
kd5
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 14,037
Received 507 Likes on 332 Posts
From: Ohio, USA
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

I still think Jeepers Creepers is a hell of a horror movie and I wish he'd finally do the sequel to Jeepers Creepers 2.
Old 04-08-22 | 08:11 PM
  #10  
Banned by request
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 17,800
Received 779 Likes on 583 Posts
From: Goodbye and Good Luck
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Does Jeepers Creepers 3 not count? The one released in 2017.

And as mentioned, it’s very subjective. But yeah, WS is a POS, but what he did is nowhere near the same level as what Polanski did. Of course he isn’t banned. That’s why I haven’t been invested in the awards season for years.
Old 04-08-22 | 08:22 PM
  #11  
rocket1312's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 8,137
Likes: 0
Received 1,804 Likes on 1,229 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Originally Posted by E Unit
Does Jeepers Creepers 3 not count? The one released in 2017.

And as mentioned, it’s very subjective. But yeah, WS is a POS, but what he did is nowhere near the same level as what Polanski did. Of course he isn’t banned. That’s why I haven’t been invested in the awards season for years.
​​​​​​Polanski would be arrested the second he landed if he tried to enter the US. I'm not sure banning him from the Oscars would accomplish much of anything.
Old 04-08-22 | 08:35 PM
  #12  
Mike86's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 25,724
Received 1,409 Likes on 1,086 Posts
From: South Dakota
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Are we really lumping Will Smith into this list and going as far as calling him a piece of shit? I don’t agree with what he did, but that seems pretty extreme.
The following 5 users liked this post by Mike86:
Boondock Saint (04-12-22), csant (04-08-22), IBJoel (04-09-22), MysterioMan007 (04-16-22), tanman (04-14-22)
Old 04-08-22 | 08:39 PM
  #13  
GoldenJCJ's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 32,564
Received 4,778 Likes on 2,989 Posts
From: Colorado
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

I take the “sinners” on a case by case basis.

I’ll still watch Will Smith and Mel Gibson movies.

I don’t really care for Roman Polanski movies but I’ve watched the ones I want and will “boycott” the ones I’m not really interested in.

As a kid I watched The Cosby Show every week but I haven’t seen it in at least 20 years. Bill Cosby’s movies don’t really amount to much so it’ll be easy to avoid all things Cosby from now on.

I’ll still watch re-runs of That 70s Show even though Danny Masterson seems like a real scumbag.

Despite Shia Labeouf and Army Hammer being shitheads I’ll still watch their movies.

I don’t see myself ever watching another Kevin Spacey or Bryan Singer movie though.
The following users liked this post:
IBJoel (04-09-22)
Old 04-08-22 | 08:54 PM
  #14  
Banned by request
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 17,800
Received 779 Likes on 583 Posts
From: Goodbye and Good Luck
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Originally Posted by rocket1312
​​​​​​Polanski would be arrested the second he landed if he tried to enter the US. I'm not sure banning him from the Oscars would accomplish much of anything.
Oscars never publicly condemned him. That says enough right there.

EDIT: okay, so it took 30 years to ban him.
https://www.glamour.com/story/will-s...lanski-ban/amp
Originally Posted by Mike86
Are we really lumping Will Smith into this list and going as far as calling him a piece of shit? I don’t agree with what he did, but that seems pretty extreme.
I think he is just based on how he seems in general. This stupid whatever we’re talking about is pretty much in line with how he’s seems to be as a person.

Last edited by E Unit; 04-08-22 at 09:00 PM.
Old 04-08-22 | 09:59 PM
  #15  
DJariya's Avatar
DVD Talk God
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 86,812
Received 5,939 Likes on 4,020 Posts
From: La Palma, CA
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

What exactly did Woody Allen do that was criminal? Cheated on his wife with his adopted daughter and later marrying her? I know Mia Farrow was an angry and scorned ex-wife and alleged things, but nothing was ever proven.
Old 04-08-22 | 10:06 PM
  #16  
Norm de Plume's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 20,047
Received 803 Likes on 570 Posts
From: Toronto
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Have the allegations of Woody Allen's sexual crimes been supported by any evidence other than verbal accusations? I ask because I haven't followed the scandal. I think I'll always adore Bananas, Love and Death (best comedy of all time), and Sleeper. I also like Play It Again, Sam, which he didn't direct, and Annie Hall isn't bad. The rest of his filmography I can live without. I also find his essay collections discontinuously hilarious and wildly clever.

Polanski incontestably did what he was accused of, and I wish he had faced justice, but I can still admire his directorial artistry. I think The Tenant is his best work.

I think Bill Cosby is one I can no longer appreciate. I was never a fan of the '80s sitcom, but I liked him as a person, and found him very funny at times. He impressed as a personable, nice guy, and of course we now know he is anything but, and utterly without remorse to boot.
Old 04-08-22 | 10:14 PM
  #17  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 46,550
Received 1,353 Likes on 1,062 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Yeahhhh Smith doesn't belong on that list.

He's a douche and a weirdo but some of the others are actual monsters.
The following 2 users liked this post by RichC2:
IBJoel (04-09-22), Norm de Plume (04-09-22)
Old 04-08-22 | 10:25 PM
  #18  
TomOpus's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 41,561
Received 1,792 Likes on 1,283 Posts
From: Kansas City, MO
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

It's probably just me but I wouldn't consider Weinstein an artist. He was mainly a producer.
The following users liked this post:
IBJoel (04-09-22)
Old 04-08-22 | 11:08 PM
  #19  
dex14's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 47,065
Likes: 0
Received 5,339 Likes on 3,597 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Originally Posted by DJariya
What exactly did Woody Allen do that was criminal? Cheated on his wife with his adopted daughter and later marrying her? I know Mia Farrow was an angry and scorned ex-wife and alleged things, but nothing was ever proven.
She wasn’t his adopted daughter either, it was Mia’s.
Old 04-08-22 | 11:34 PM
  #20  
Count Dooku's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 18,494
Received 1,951 Likes on 1,332 Posts
From: Austin, TX, USA
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

100% absolutely. No problem whatsoever.


Old 04-08-22 | 11:45 PM
  #21  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 39,225
Received 1,618 Likes on 1,146 Posts
From: Somewhere between Heaven and Hell
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
Weinstein's hard to avoid because he produced so many films, particularly the Tarantino ones, but of the others the only one whose work I might want to revisit is Roman Polanski, regardless of their off-screen crimes/behavior.
Weinstein is not a creative. Just the money. So I don't link him to the Miramax or Weinstein Co. films in that respect.
The following users liked this post:
Dr. DVD (04-10-22)
Old 04-09-22 | 03:02 AM
  #22  
Runaway's Avatar
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,811
Received 752 Likes on 564 Posts
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

I decide on a case to case basis, not even very consistant either.

Will Smith or Mel Gibson are dicks, but that wouldn't stop me from watching their movies. Kevin Spacey is worse, but I'll still watch his past movies and would probably new movies, if they sound interesting.

Harvey Weinstein is a business man, so his involvment doesn't bother me.

I didn't watch anything with Bill Cosby in the last 20 years, just because it didn't interest me, but now I couldn't bring me to watch something. He is more of a serial rapist than a comedian and actor.
Old 04-09-22 | 05:06 AM
  #23  
kd5's Avatar
kd5
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 14,037
Received 507 Likes on 332 Posts
From: Ohio, USA
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Originally Posted by E Unit
Does Jeepers Creepers 3 not count? The one released in 2017.
Jeepers Creepers 3 is not a sequel to Jeepers Creepers 2. The events in JC3 occurred between JC and JC2.

Last edited by kd5; 04-09-22 at 05:12 AM.
Old 04-09-22 | 05:08 AM
  #24  
JeffTheAlpaca's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 29,354
Received 1,334 Likes on 1,077 Posts
From: CA
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

I don't think there is a lot of stuff or any that could be considered "Art" with Will Smith.

If Kevin Spacey was cleared or he was framed maybe since he did a lot of quality films.
Old 04-09-22 | 07:37 AM
  #25  
milo bloom's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 18,942
Received 1,637 Likes on 1,190 Posts
From: Chicago suburbs
Re: Could you look past the sins of an actor (Will Smith, Bill Cosby) and still admire their art?

Lumping in Will Smith with those others is utterly insane. I will still continue to enjoy Fresh Prince and MIB.


Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.