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Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by IBJoel
(Post 14105252)
I think Filoni SPECIFICALLY is not the savior everyone makes him out to be. And I've felt this essentially since The Clone Wars got big.
As far as the films and further TV shows go, I'd rather they put Star Wars on ice for as long as it takes to have a solidly planned outline moving forward. Even if its "Filmmaker A is doing this, B has a standalone, C has two or three films in the far future, D is doing stuff in the past, etc." |
Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by IBJoel
(Post 14105252)
I think Filoni SPECIFICALLY is not the savior everyone makes him out to be. And I've felt this essentially since The Clone Wars got big.
But yeah, after Boba Fett, you have to wonder what exactly that vision is. :lol: |
Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
(Post 14105340)
As far as the films and further TV shows go, I'd rather they put Star Wars on ice for as long as it takes to have a solidly planned outline moving forward. Even if its "Filmmaker A is doing this, B has a standalone, C has two or three films in the far future, D is doing stuff in the past, etc."
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Yeah, it still seems like they're fumbling around blind.
Jon Watts was a given an untitled Star Wars series. Yeah, they're still doing that, bringing in someone who made a name doing something else, then trying to develop a project around that. Apparently, it's supposed to be an "80s-style" "coming-of-age" story with an "Amblin feel." Jeez... -rolleyes- Don't know if it's Kennedy or Iger or just Disney as a whole, but they Have. No. Fucking. Clue. |
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Just give Favreau, Filoni, and Waititi the keys and get out the fucking way!
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Kennedy needs to get out of the way... SW has mostly floundered with her around.
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I think it goes much bigger than Kennedy (or really even Filoni, for that matter). This is what I posted on io9:
People forget how WEIRD Star Wars was originally. The OT took influences from Japanese cinema, James Dean movies, WWII, et cetera, and mixed it all in with counterculture ideas/politics and muppets. Not only is Disney (perhaps more than any company) risk-averse to anything that can be construed as “not the most broadly-appealing media/stances possible”, I think a lot of audiences are risk-averse, too. People nowadays are super ready to denounce stuff as “goofy” or “doesn’t move the plot forward”, and that’s not even counting the cretins that see a minor LGBT or dark-skinned character and yell “they’re shoving diversity down our throats”. That’s the issue when you acquire one of the biggest media franchises of all time and don’t understand what people liked about it. It was never one thing. People watch Star Wars and have all these million takeaways from it. |
Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
(Post 14105415)
Yeah, it still seems like they're fumbling around blind.
Jon Watts was a given an untitled Star Wars series. Yeah, they're still doing that, bringing in someone who made a name doing something else, then trying to develop a project around that. Apparently, it's supposed to be an "80s-style" "coming-of-age" story with an "Amblin feel." Jeez... -rolleyes- Don't know if it's Kennedy or Iger or just Disney as a whole, but they Have. No. Fucking. Clue. |
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How many here have watched Star Wars Visions on Disney+ ? It's a series of animated shorts by notable anime creators that were allowed to play around in the Star Wars universe. They have some very unique ideas and concepts and Disney would do well to keep this type of project going to use it as a testing ground for new stuff.
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Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by milo bloom
(Post 14105728)
How many here have watched Star Wars Visions on Disney+ ? It's a series of animated shorts by notable anime creators that were allowed to play around in the Star Wars universe. They have some very unique ideas and concepts and Disney would do well to keep this type of project going to use it as a testing ground for new stuff.
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Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by John Pannozzi
(Post 14105722)
You mean Bob Chapek. He's in charge of Disney now.
I'm not sure about Chapek yet. We haven't really seen much under Chapek's watch. All of the films and the first season on The Mandalorian came out before Iger left. |
Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
(Post 14105794)
No, I meant Iger. The fumbling with the franchise started with Iger.
I'm not sure about Chapek yet. We haven't really seen much under Chapek's watch. All of the films and the first season on The Mandalorian came out before Iger left. On a related note, I might want to see an "inside baseball" book covering Iger's regime at Disney, in the vein of "DisneyWar" or "The Men Who Would Be King" (the latter is about DreamWorks). Too much of the inside baseball talk regarding Disney-era Star Wars I find to be drenched in sensationalist/ad-hominin "anti-SJW/woke/feminazi" rhetoric. Its hard to find coverage from a halfway-neutral POV. And I won't mind seeing an "inside baseball" look at Kathy Kennedy's Pre-Disney/Lucasfilm film era career. I'd like to hear more about what she did in-between being a mediocre secretary on Spielberg's "1941" and becoming George Lucas's corporate heir. |
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A downside to Disney ownership vs Lucas ownership...over-saturation on TV and cinema, and in comics and cartoons, could make it not so special anymore, as well as overwhelm fans with too much content to catch up on. When it was just the OT and novels/comics it was special. You wished for more like what we have today. Now that we have more, we got too much (often not great stuff either).
I'm just hoping they start telling stories from far back or far forward in time. Skywalker Saga got done to death (even Obi-Wan still coming seven years later). People will indulge in Obi-Wan, how can they not, but they have to leave that era alone especially after the damage of the ST. So many stories from Legends pre-Skywalker that can be developed, even as their own trilogies/sagas. Or exploring an unknown future, a blank canvas. Rogue One was a brilliant idea for the "anthology" concept but it also probably contributed to why Solo, Fett, Obi-Wan became part of the concept. Reinvigorating a young Leia and Tarkin, showing the dude from the Tatooine bar and such, it opened the door for the nostalgia card to be over-played. Fan service, a sure bet, fans wanna see a young Solo and Calrissian having adventures, theres a window of time and story for a post-Rots/pre-Anh Obi-Wan, hey theyve been dreaming about more Boba Fett, lets give it to them...easy money...that was a trapdoor. Now the fans turned on them and want nothing of the Skywalker Era....but more still coming -- Mandalorian, Bad Batch, Rogue Squadron, Cassian Andor... I guess Disney are afraid to break away from the Star Wars tropes of Stormtroopers, Sith/Jedi, lightsabers, Empiric backdrop, screeching Ties, etc....as well as probably uncertain creatively how to reinvent the wheel, lacking that Lucas mind who could just invent/create things out of thin air that might become new cool cultural icons. But they need to move far back and far forward, and stop fleshing out and filling every empty space inside the Skywalker Timeline, trying to cram more into the now tiny spaces. It's important to keep a little/lot of mystery, leave things out, let fans take ownership of it with fan fiction and suggestions, instead of cramming so much detail (superfluous) in there now. It's overkill that really, Star Wars still isn't interesting to me until they break far away from the Skywalker Era. |
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In case you weren't aware, Star Wars celebration is this weekend in Anaheim.
Live stream right now celebrating the 20th anniversary of Attack of the Clones with some members of the cast and crew. This is from the official Star Wars YouTube channel live in Anaheim. In case you have nothing better to watch, you can watch yesterday's live stream. It's 5 hours and 46 minutes. :D Lots of interviews and panels. |
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Ewan and Hayden are currently on stage live right now.
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The Star Wars celebration live streams are wrapping up. In case you missed it and are bored, there is probably 20 hours worth :lol: I watched a few of the key things. They showcased a lot of the cool things going on and had some interesting panels.
I would have love to have gone, but this sold out ages ago and I needed to save money for my upcoming vacation. I see they rotate cities, so who knows when I can attend one. |
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They just announced the next Star Wars celebration is April 2023 in London.
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It feels like yearly for these would be a bit much, esp now that the sequel trilogy is behind us. I wonder if we should anticipate Ahsoka premiering next April?
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Yeah probably Ahsoka will get some publicity along with Skeleton Crew and they will probably talk Mandalorian season 3, which will have ended by then. Not sure what else they can talk about as far as new IP.
The main thing is that it's a Con and they will have lots of merchandise and other things for hardcore fans to enjoy. |
Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by milo bloom
(Post 14105192)
There's apparently another part where KK blames the failure of Solo on the fact that they recast the part which is baloney as Alden was fun and charming despite being in a cobbled together story that had two different productions and was released while the community was still reeling from the shock of TLJ. If they had let Lord & Miller finish it and released it the following December, I think it would have done much better.
I don't hate the CGI Luke stuff being used in a few episodes of Mandalorian, but for full on projects like new Han Solo stories, or young Luke and Leia stories, then you have to recast. Star Trek has three Spocks and doing pretty well with them. |
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At this point could recasting Luke do any more damage to the character than what The Last Jedi did?
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I think there is just a specific, stronger bond to the OT actors than you see in any other series...likely never to be repeated again. Star Wars is in a difficult time, we're losing the OT cast/crew (probably in ten yrs almost no one will be with us, very hard to accept) which is why I don't mind leaning into that as much as time allows. Mandalorian has probably been the best development for the franchise, bringing new cast and crew into the family. I still worry about the future of SW, but...in the end we'll have the OT, I don't expect anything to ever come close.
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Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by stvn1974
(Post 14111529)
At this point could recasting Luke do any more damage to the character than what The Last Jedi did?
Disney and Lucasfilm had one chance to get it right, and they fucked it up every way they could. I mean, ferchrissakes, they're calling the thing "The Skywalker Saga," but their own sequel trilogy marginalized the the entire Skywalker family and turned the whole nine-film series into "The Palpatine Saga." |
Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
(Post 14111592)
The sequel trilogy did incalculable damage to both the legacy characters and the franchise as a whole. Luke, Han, and Leia were shown to be old, pathetic broken people who accomplished nothing with their lives.
I understand it's a story and Star Wars can take dramatic liberties, but to say characters "accomplished nothing with their lives" when they were instrumental in the downfall of a fascist regime and one of them then fighting a terroristic breakaway cell is just mind-boggling to me. |
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Naw the original 3 got shitted on. Han came out OK, but Luke was destroyed. Luckily the character is getting some redemption in Mando.
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