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story 11-23-19 04:45 PM

Re: Future Star Wars projects discussion thread - news, rumors, etc.
 
Did, like, no parent or anybody talk to you about that? I'm just so surprised you didn't at least hear about them all those years. We talked about that all the time when I was a little kid.

Mr. Flix 11-23-19 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 13645056)
I think all y'all are just unobservant. ;)

THAT is... entirely possible.

I may just have to blame my parents' crappy TV when I was a kid. The picture was always way too dark. So it's possible Crispy Owen and Burnt Beru just blended into their surroundings.

Josh-da-man 11-23-19 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 13644951)
I mean, yes, there's smoke, and maybe you could've missed them in the wide pan shot, but this shot....

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...3f2a9f57f7.png

Is pretty explicit. What did you think Luke was averting his eyes from?

I was probably five years old at the time. :lol:

Seeing Star Wars in the theater was an overwhelming experience, and the bodies sort of blend in with the rest of the debris.

I wouldn't have wondered why Luke looked away from the smoldering remains of his home. I just accepted that Luke knew his Aunt and Uncle were killed.


Mike86 11-23-19 07:53 PM

Re: Future Star Wars projects discussion thread - news, rumors, etc.
 
I don’t think I grasped exactly what had happened when I was younger either. Picked up on it upon later viewings.

All the Star Wars movies have some darkish things in them, but really nothing beyond burnt to a crisp Anakin in Revenge of the Sith is too gruesome. Yeah there’s a lot of limbs lost, a guy gets cut in half, a couple decapitations, and a couple characters get impaled. None of those are terribly gruesome though. The acts are violent but we don’t see much of anything.

Michael Corvin 11-23-19 09:53 PM

Re: Future Star Wars projects discussion thread - news, rumors, etc.
 
Just a thought, but they could have also been edited out of TV broadcasts.

Count me as another that doesn't recall the skeletons being that 'in your face.' Like Josh said, they just kinda blended in with the other debris.

Josh-da-man 11-24-19 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 13645142)
Just a thought, but they could have also been edited out of TV broadcasts.

Count me as another that doesn't recall the skeletons being that 'in your face.' Like Josh said, they just kinda blended in with the other debris.

I might have noticed them in the CBS broadcast in 1983, which probably would have been my second viewing.

This was back in the times before home video (the dark times), so there wasn't any option to pause or rewind, and movies weren't available to view like they are now.

I don't know when my third viewing of Star Wars was (maybe cable, or another tv broadcast?) but I did get the widescreen VHS boxed set in 1995, and I was able to pause and rewind as much as I wanted to, though the image was fuzzy and rather small with those black bars.

Mike86 11-24-19 07:31 PM

Re: Future Star Wars projects discussion thread - news, rumors, etc.
 
I actually have the trilogy that my mom taped off of USA for me back in the day (never actually owned the official releases on VHS). Could check and see how it aired on that.

TGM 11-24-19 07:41 PM

Re: Future Star Wars projects discussion thread - news, rumors, etc.
 
pretty sure for a lot of us it was likely multi-factorial... cropping, resolution, bewilderment, and just down right naivety.

story 12-16-19 09:41 PM

Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
 
I saw this for the first time today and thought it was pretty awesome. I'd like to think this progression based on Yoda's dialogue was intentional, because it does work. Anyone seen this?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...027edcfcaa.jpg

The Cow 12-16-19 10:11 PM

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I saw it come up a few times on FB. I don’t really associate Fear with young Anakin though. He was hesitant to leave mom, but he was more cocky than a fearful kid.

Josh-da-man 01-16-20 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cow (Post 13656601)
I saw it come up a few times on FB. I don’t really associate Fear with young Anakin though. He was hesitant to leave mom, but he was more cocky than a fearful kid.

Yeah, but Yoda must have picked up something because he gave that "fear" speech to young Anakin.

Mabuse 01-16-20 06:43 PM

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Good news to hear about Waititi.

Regarding that image above, I don’t like to think of Darth Vader as suffering. He’s an evil bad guy who likes to destroy things and hurt people. To feel too deeply about the suffering he must feel because of a bad childhood is to give him too much humanity. Like trying to ask me to understand how much the Oklahoma City bomber must have been suffering.

IBJoel 01-17-20 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabuse (Post 13672306)
Good news to hear about Waititi.

Regarding that image above, I don’t like to think of Darth Vader as suffering. He’s an evil bad guy who likes to destroy things and hurt people. To feel too deeply about the suffering he must feel because of a bad childhood is to give him too much humanity. Like trying to ask me to understand how much the Oklahoma City bomber must have been suffering.

Your mileage may definitely vary on this. Personally, I think that every person must be humanized, no matter what wrong they do.

Within simply the spirituality of Star Wars, Vader suffers because he is incapable of overcoming his negative traits or reflecting on himself or his actions. It's like a cautionary Buddhist story to illustrate the Four Noble Truths (which seem to be a major influence on Lucas' development of Jedi philosophy).

Jay G. 01-17-20 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IBJoel (Post 13672627)
Your mileage may definitely vary on this. Personally, I think that every person must be humanized, no matter what wrong they do.

Within simply the spirituality of Star Wars, Vader suffers because he is incapable of overcoming his negative traits or reflecting on himself or his actions. It's like a cautionary Buddhist story to illustrate the Four Noble Truths (which seem to be a major influence on Lucas' development of Jedi philosophy).

Cool. Now humanize Palpatine.

Mike86 01-17-20 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IBJoel (Post 13672627)
Your mileage may definitely vary on this. Personally, I think that every person must be humanized, no matter what wrong they do.

Within simply the spirituality of Star Wars, Vader suffers because he is incapable of overcoming his negative traits or reflecting on himself or his actions. It's like a cautionary Buddhist story to illustrate the Four Noble Truths (which seem to be a major influence on Lucas' development of Jedi philosophy).

Not even just all that, but Vader is physically suffering after being defeated on Mustafar and being put into the suit. Of course we aren’t supposed to think about that and he’s just supposed to be a badass in black, but there’s some interesting lore about the suit itself.

IBJoel 01-17-20 02:20 PM

Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 13672635)
Cool. Now humanize Palpatine.

Palpatine in essence is not a character, but a plot device. We are given no background on him or look into his private life or motives, and his function is simply to move the story along. He is defined solely in relation to the other characters, as either an external representation of internal conflict or problem. He's the personification of the opposing ideology. That said, he does have an appreciation for the arts (the opera scene, his chancellor's office) and displays fear and pain in both ROTJ and TROS.

IBJoel 01-17-20 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 13672669)
Not even just all that, but Vader is physically suffering after being defeated on Mustafar and being put into the suit. Of course we aren’t supposed to think about that and he’s just supposed to be a badass in black, but there’s some interesting lore about the suit itself.

Yeah, doesn't it cause him physical pain to "harness the Dark Side"? I think that's a point where there was unnecessary literal-ization. It's enough for me that his body is messed up and he lost his loved one as a direct result of his own actions.

stvn1974 01-17-20 02:45 PM

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As a kid before the Prequels I always thought the Darkside had a possession like hold on Vader and the Emperor controlled him through that. Once the Emperor was about to kill Luke he broke from it.

coli 01-17-20 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974 (Post 13672733)
As a kid before the Prequels I always thought the Darkside had a possession like hold on Vader and the Emperor controlled him through that. Once the Emperor was about to kill Luke he broke from it.

"You don't know the power of the Darkside, I MUST obey my master!!" -Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi, 1983

That was a very powerful statement by Vader, as it jives with the exact thing you are saying. Once Anakin turned to the darkside in Revenge of the Sith because he was fooled by Palpatine (along with the whole scene being utterly ridiculous), the whole power of the darkside lost alot of weight to me.

Deadman31 01-17-20 08:40 PM

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The one thing I love about the OT is that every time I watch I find something new that just bothers me. I was just watching ESB and the scene when Vader is talking to the bounty hunters, how the hell would they have gotten there? The fleet was in middle of nowhere in an asteroid field.

milo bloom 01-17-20 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadman31 (Post 13672892)
The one thing I love about the OT is that every time I watch I find something new that just bothers me. I was just watching ESB and the scene when Vader is talking to the bounty hunters, how the hell would they have gotten there? The fleet was in middle of nowhere in an asteroid field.

They were inbetween the Hoth and Bespin systems, not a major lane, but not exactly in the boonies either. Vader just posted a help wanted listing on space-craigslist and gave them the fleet's transponder codes to find them.

windom 01-17-20 10:39 PM

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So Vader had to wait until they all showed to brief them? Were there any bounty hunters that showed up after that? That would be embarassing.

Did they really have to meet on the bridge of the Star Destroyer? That seems like a security risk. You'd think a ship that big would have some empty meeting rooms or something.

milo bloom 01-18-20 12:17 PM

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Vader probably did it on the bridge to embarrass the officers who were having trouble catching one little freighter.

story 01-18-20 06:58 PM

Re: The General Star Wars Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by windom (Post 13672943)
So Vader had to wait until they all showed to brief them? Were there any bounty hunters that showed up after that? That would be embarassing.

Did they really have to meet on the bridge of the Star Destroyer? That seems like a security risk. You'd think a ship that big would have some empty meeting rooms or something.

Welcome to the forum, Seth Green, and I love Robot Chicken!

Deadman31 01-18-20 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 13673094)
Vader probably did it on the bridge to embarrass the officers who were having trouble catching one little freighter.

Exactly, that’s 90 % of empire was Vader and his human resource department problems. He did it out in the open to try and light a fire under the asses of his incompetent crew. It worked for a little bit all the way through the Cloud City incidents but again due to gross incompetence, the Falcon gets away. Vader quietly storms off and I’m sure he probably resigned from Human Resources position shortly after.


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