LorenzoL

Are people assuming that Marvel will still have control of Spider-Man? My guess is that Sony will try to take control of the character after the success in the MCU and its spinoffs.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Big Boy Laroux

exactly! i'm willing to buy the time travel theory that changing things in the past doesn't mess up the timeline you left, it just creates new timelines (even though, as they pointed out, it goes against YEARS of movie time travel depictions! ). But that final scene there with Cap indicated he ambled over there normally after living his full life in that timeline. So it contradicts everything else.

But - yes, i'm willing to go along for the ride, but i definitely noticed that.

Paul_SD

I could see an MCU Reed Richards as channeling qualities from both Stark and Rogers. The brilliant scientist who gets his fire lit by constant problem solving, while at the same time being an earnest, straight shooter/family man. Not quite as earnest and reverential as early Rogers, but a little more in that vein as opposed to constantly strutting around while being glib and snarky.

Finally went yesterday, The 12:30 PM show was in the largest auditorium in the complex, but less than thirty people in the seats.
I loved Infinity War, and for me they fully stuck the landing here.

I went back to catch up on this thread, but bailed after a few pages because I was getting depressed. Complaints that the first hour was too slow- seriously? Being annoyed by a twenty second grrrl power visual ("Lady Liberators!) homage?
I LOVED that this film took some time to explore the emotional ramifications of the previous films events. I loved the slow and contemplative parts. They are what gave gravitas to all the rambunctious CG spectacle to come.

Through the whole runtime, the one thought that kept coming to me was how edifying it is to experience work that has been crafted by people who, above all else, genuinely love telling stories. That's Feige on down , but mostly Feige who is clearly the showrunner here.

Really happy to be around to see something like this. We'll see what the next ten years brings, but I have a very hard time imagining a storm made up of this many disparate, but quality, elements, ever coming together this perfectly again.

fujishig

Agreed about the storytelling elements, though another aspect that is not to be forgotten is just having the sheer budget to do all of this stuff. Not just the CGI but all the cameos. Nowadays in comic books that stakes are so high and crossovers so prolific that something like this on the comic book page wouldn't be that special, but it really does invoke the classic crossover of yesteryear where everyone and their mother gets involved with some meeting for the first time and it feels special.

I'll be interested to see if they can transition the Avengers/team-type movies to be more grounded, at least for a little while, while also transitioning characters. But even if it all just ended here, job well done. As a lifelong comic fan (although I was always a slightly bigger DC than Marvel fan), it was all I could ask for, really.

Jay G.

Marvel doesn't have "control" of Spider-Man, even for these movies. The deal seems somewhat similar to how the Hulk movies are, with Sony having rights to produce and distribute solo Spider-Man movies (see Spiderman: Into the Multiverse for a recent example), as well as spin-offs of Spider-man characters (see Venom). Marvel, meanwhile has the rights to use Spider-Man in "team-up" movies, similar to Hulk. Sony seems fine with having Marvel handle the storyline aspects though, especially considering the deal came about after it was clear from the two Amazing Spiderman films that Sony didn't know what to do with the character.

dex14

That's not exactly true. Marvel Studios hired everyone, crafted the story, etc. Sony is paying for it and collecting the profits. There is a reason Spidey wasn't in Venom... and that is because Marvel Studios wouldn't allow for it. Marvel is still a co-producer of the movies.

Universal doesn't have the rights to produce Hulk, only to distribute.

Jay G.

Marvel may have some say on what the "MCU Spiderman" does and doesn't appear in, but Sony can clearly make their own Spiderman movies, as Into the Spiderverse showed. So Tom Holland in Venom? No. Some other version of Spiderman, probably.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider...Marvel_Studios

Well, Universal specifically has the "right of first refusal" to distribute solo Hulk films. They could opt not to distribute it, if they wanted.

dex14

lopper

Hulk's fine, but I don't care about him. He's cool to look at I suppose, but as a character he is uninteresting. Banner is smart; Hulk smashes shit. Great.

To me the spectacle of the current MCU movies is a large part of the problem. These most recent movies feel more like 'Generic Sci-Fi Action Movie', bloated with questionable CG (Black Panther) and unimpressive prosthetics and design (Captain Marvel).

slop101

Oh, so it was Gamora they were searching for? That's what I was asking, I thought maybe she was still with them, as they didn't show her leaving, and they were just searching for a way to get back to somewhere specific, and that it wasn't about Gamora - the movie didn't make that clear.

dex14

It had a picture of her and said "SEARCHING..." It was quick.

Mondo Kane

Came back from a 2nd showing. Loved it even more. Didn't notice that "Hey Pepper" or "Hi Pepper" were actually the last words. And some truly touching acting from Favreau when he first hears "Cheeseburger".

Tom Banjo

JTH182

I fully expected Hulk to bust out of the Hulkbuster armor at some point in one of the last two movies. Sucks that didn't happen, would have been a cool moment.

Abob Teff

fujishig

They even made a toy of it...

tanman

In defense of this thread I don't think I'm speaking out of line to say that we're just discussing nitpicky elements of the movie. The general feeling is one of awe and adoration. Just look at the poll! Totally agree with you about the MCU and how it feels like it's crafted with love. You can tell that everyone involved is really vested in the project and it really shows in the general excellent quality of the films. Even though there might be a couple of misssteps it's not because of lack of trying. And they really are more missteps then outright bombs. It's clear to me that everyone in the production of these movies really cares and that keep the quality high. That's also why you can have people like Robert Redford and Michelle Pfeiffier coming back just for a cameo.

gmanca

Decker

Maybe some Marvel expert can help me with this question:
I had another logic problem that I didn't understand watching the movie yesterday for a second time : Nebula, Rhodes, Nat and Clint leave together with the Benatar and travel to space. Fine so far. Nebula and Rhodes go to Morag to get the Power Stone and before they leave, Nebula explains that she put the coordinates in the ship so it would fly itself to Vormir. Then Natalie and Clint, who have one brief space trip between them, fly to Vormir to collect the Soul Stone.
== Why not have Nebula fly and drop Nat and Clint off on Vormir, then continue on and fly themselves to Morag? It's no more total travel, and that way there's somebody on board at all time who can actually fly a space ship (obviating that weird autopilot explanation she gives). Whatever the logic was, it had nothing to do with how they get back as they all warped back separately -- which of course raises the question of why the two groups had to travel together in the first place. It was a very minor thing, but it just seemed weird and baffling to me.

ultimaton

SHIELD spoilers

tanman

That does not make me happy.

tanman

I don't think there's a satisfactory explanation to it. They really just needed it for the plot. So Nat and Clint can have a moment in the quinnjet by themselves and that way they end up alone. Otherwise the whole thing with the sacrifice would be weird if it was the four of them.

JTH182

Well WTF?!

Brack

JeremyM

My guess is they realized they had enough "cool" moments for this film and are saving the armor for another film....again.