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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
12-28-17, 09:58 AM
#1176
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Kylo Ren's character got a lot to do in this one, and that's one aspect I absolutely enjoyed. Snoke has apparently been manipulating and gaslighting him for years, and he finally snapped and did something.
12-28-17, 10:03 AM
#1177
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I liked when Snoke punked him and told him to take that "ridiculous" helmet off.
Ren was trying to live like Vader and all.
12-28-17, 10:04 AM
#1178
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
It kind of lost its momentum about Ren’s story when he was manipulated by a guy with zero backstory and gets sliced in two so easily.
And again with the flammable red background - why would he have that shit in there? That stuff went up in flames in seconds.
And again with the flammable red background - why would he have that shit in there? That stuff went up in flames in seconds.
12-28-17, 10:11 AM
#1179
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
12-28-17, 10:11 AM
#1180
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Saw this on Saturday and enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm not surprised at all the bitching from fans. It is just simply impossible to make a movie that is going to please everyone. If the director went the predictable route then people would complain that he just copied from the early flicks/ Instead, they went with something new and unexpected. I liked that. I had no idea where this movie was going. TFA gave me enough nostagia and fan service. I didn't need to see Luke raise the jet fighter from the water and go gung ho into battle.
But I do have a problem with bringing back the old cast. They are just so old now and felt like their heart wasn't really into the performances. Leila just feels run down and tired. What happened to that firecracker woman that we saw in Empire? Even a huge moment like the reunion of Luke and Leila came off flat and lacking of emotion. Just felt like they were only there for the paycheck. I did think Ford was great in TFA and sold his death pretty well.
I don't have any problem with them killing off Luke, but the movie just made it feel shallow and lacking the emotional impact that should come with the passing of an iconic figure.
But I do have a problem with bringing back the old cast. They are just so old now and felt like their heart wasn't really into the performances. Leila just feels run down and tired. What happened to that firecracker woman that we saw in Empire? Even a huge moment like the reunion of Luke and Leila came off flat and lacking of emotion. Just felt like they were only there for the paycheck. I did think Ford was great in TFA and sold his death pretty well.
I don't have any problem with them killing off Luke, but the movie just made it feel shallow and lacking the emotional impact that should come with the passing of an iconic figure.
12-28-17, 10:18 AM
#1181
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
This isn't so much a bitch about TLJ, but you'd think that in the Star Wars galaxy, which has had interstellar FTL travel for thousands of years, that lightspeed weapons like that would be commonplace. Ships as small as X-Wings can travel between star systems, so you'd think someone would have come up with unmanned drones that would slice up big ships like Star Destroyers. We saw a single A-Wing take out the Executor in ROTJ at sublight speed when it flew into the bridge, so it doesn't seem like it would take much to tear these massive ships apart.
Single-use suicide ships probably wouldn't be much of a drain on resources considering how many small fighters they typically lose in a space battle.
This is actually something I've thought about before in relation to Stats Trek and Wars, though the Trek universe seems to have superior shield and sensor technology, so launching stuff at them at c might not be as effective.
Single-use suicide ships probably wouldn't be much of a drain on resources considering how many small fighters they typically lose in a space battle.
This is actually something I've thought about before in relation to Stats Trek and Wars, though the Trek universe seems to have superior shield and sensor technology, so launching stuff at them at c might not be as effective.
12-28-17, 10:25 AM
#1182
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Yes, but in those days (When Lucas wrote Star Wars), who could have imagined thumb drives? Rogue One had to stick to using drives to keep the story going forward since it was a prequel. Hell, they should "invent" thumb drives in these future sequels, so folks can stop saying, "why don't they just put all that data on a thumb drive?"
12-28-17, 10:32 AM
#1183
DVD Talk Legend
12-28-17, 11:00 AM
#1184
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Yes, but in those days (When Lucas wrote Star Wars), who could have imagined thumb drives? Rogue One had to stick to using drives to keep the story going forward since it was a prequel. Hell, they should "invent" thumb drives in these future sequels, so folks can stop saying, "why don't they just put all that data on a thumb drive?"
12-28-17, 11:40 AM
#1185
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Thank you, yes, I meant sequel hook. Note that I did mention Rey vs. Kylo and Resistance vs. First Order for TLJ, I just felt like they weren't that compelling, given that this movie was largely about those two things already. It becomes a retread. Given that Kylo has been judged by this movie to be beyond saving, the resolution to both seems clear: the Resistance will overcome and Kylo will die.
As for ANH, I think Vader's TIE fighter spiraling away (to explicitly show he wasn't killed) could be argued to be a cliffhanger. The love triangle was a sequel hook. On a more general note, I think with stories ending in failure, like ESB, TFA, and TLJ, it's all the more important to have hooks (or cliffhangers) to give hope.
With that in mind, after thinking about it a little more, I've changed my mind on this point. The scene with the kid at the end was clearly designed to be a sequel hook, implying that Rey would gather these Force users and teach them. It didn't resonate as much with me in the theater because we barely met the character, but that could change in hindsight if Rey's Jedi students have a strong presence in IX. If the plot point is dropped, it will be a waste. Like all trilogies, how we view this one really depends on the next one.
As for ANH, I think Vader's TIE fighter spiraling away (to explicitly show he wasn't killed) could be argued to be a cliffhanger. The love triangle was a sequel hook. On a more general note, I think with stories ending in failure, like ESB, TFA, and TLJ, it's all the more important to have hooks (or cliffhangers) to give hope.
With that in mind, after thinking about it a little more, I've changed my mind on this point. The scene with the kid at the end was clearly designed to be a sequel hook, implying that Rey would gather these Force users and teach them. It didn't resonate as much with me in the theater because we barely met the character, but that could change in hindsight if Rey's Jedi students have a strong presence in IX. If the plot point is dropped, it will be a waste. Like all trilogies, how we view this one really depends on the next one.
The sequel hook is that the rebellion or resistance or whatever is decimated and they have one basically one ship, plus what is Kylo Ren going to do in charge of the FO. Plus the real sequel hook is that it's Star Wars, and JJ is coming back, and we won't have any of the trio of original characters in this one.
And thumb drives were invented a long, long time later in a galaxy far, far away, it's basically future tech to them...
12-28-17, 12:15 PM
#1186
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
It worked for the Emperor. In 2017, Snoke was using the same red guards which means there’s some connection with him and the Empire and the Sith. Yet zero on him. He was a lousy second emperor, if that’s what they were attempting to do.
12-28-17, 12:30 PM
#1187
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I would have liked Rey and Ren taking on Snoke before he got killed
12-28-17, 12:36 PM
#1188
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I wish the movie had ended when Kylo tells Rey "let it all die, let the past die and start a new" . Then they stare into the window alas Fight Club. It could have been a good cliffhanger 
12-28-17, 12:39 PM
#1189
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I think people are a little too fixated on this movie having a cliffhanger. TFA had a cliffhanger, this movie didn't need one.
12-28-17, 01:00 PM
#1190
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
The difference is The Emperor atleast got the whole movie compared to Snoke who had 2-3 scene in TLJ? The Emperor was essentially the main villain in ROTJ as he gets his grand entrance at The Death Star, then a few scenes with Vader on his plan for Luke, The Rebellion, even mentioning if Vader was conflicted or not. Then he gets the 2nd half of the movie with Vader/Luke scenes which builds and builds to his eventual demise (The Throne Scenes are as good as anything in the Original Trilogy). So you are right we never got the backstory of The Emperor or Snoke, but The Emperor was way better developed in ROTJ compared to Snoke who was never developed and essentially a waste for the Trilogy.
12-28-17, 01:08 PM
#1191
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
What did the Emperor really do though? It’s not like he was that well developed in the Original Trilogy. Anyone who says otherwise is blinded by rose colored glasses. He has a couple short scenes with Vader (and only one being in person, the other time he appears via a hologram). All he really does is sit there watching Luke and Vader battle it out from his throne (not really saying much) before getting thrown down the shaft of the Death Star II. He’s really not that much more developed than Snoke just going by his appearances in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
12-28-17, 01:13 PM
#1192
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Snoke was set up to be Emporer 2.0, complete with giant hologram head. I’m glad they didn’t just so the same route with him again. It was awesome to see the “big bad” get taken out so easily.
12-28-17, 03:06 PM
#1194
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Without any explanation as to: where he came from, who trained him, why he was so powerful, how he met Kylo, why neither the Empire or Jedi knew about him during the OT (if he's as strong in the Force as they led us to believe), how he lapsed in his power and let that saber cut him even though he was treating Kylo like a bitch directly beforehand?
12-28-17, 03:23 PM
#1196
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Part of me wants to see a scene in Episode 9 where we see family photos on the wall and there we realize Snoke and the Emperor were brothers or a couple or something. But I doubt we will. He seems like a half baked idea they bailed on.
12-28-17, 03:27 PM
#1197
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
It seems like Rian bailed on almost all the lore JJ set up in TFA. Remember the explanation as to the map to Luke in TFA? Well in TLJ we learned he went there to die; completely going against what we were told in TFA. He wouldn't make an elaborate map to himself is his plan was to go recluse and die alone.
12-28-17, 03:29 PM
#1199
DVD Talk Legend
12-28-17, 03:30 PM
#1200
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Yes, but in those days (When Lucas wrote Star Wars), who could have imagined thumb drives? Rogue One had to stick to using drives to keep the story going forward since it was a prequel. Hell, they should "invent" thumb drives in these future sequels, so folks can stop saying, "why don't they just put all that data on a thumb drive?"
