Dr. DVD

Yeah, that would be stupid and come across as Disney saying "Yep, we fucked up." I doubt they have the brass to do that, and even then I wouldn't want to see it. The Thrawn trilogy by Zahn is, and always will be, the official ST in my mind, and Shadows of the Empire will be the bridge between ESB and ROTJ as well.

Mike86

I saw an interesting video on YouTube that explains some possible ways to bring Luke back. Apparently there were some parts in the original draft of Return of the Jedi that would have allowed Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin to return to their physical forms. Only problem is doing that opens up another can of worms because if you do it with Luke where do you stop?
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I’m not normally one to go for wild theories like this but if it can undo the shitty way in which Luke was killed I’m open to ideas.

Jay G.

Shouldn't this speculation be in the Episode IX thread?

Mike86

I mean I can put it there too. It ties into an aspect of this film so I thought it could fit in either.

kefrank

Those rumors were undoubtedly started by the same crackpots who perpetuated rumors that Snoke is Plagueis or that Rey is a Kenobi. Don't hold your breath.

tanman

It's probably already been posted as it's been out for awhile but I just watched Cinemasins take on TLJ and it..was..spot..on.

Now they are known for always being nitpicky and they continue that in this video but they bring up a lot of good points. My favorite part is at 2:27 when talking about the lightsaber toss. "You wanted to subvert audience expectations - a disease that infects this entire film, actually!"

Rob V

I think Disney is painted into a corner... if they don't fix the obvious problems, they're forever jaded... if they do "fix" it, they're sell-outs. That's what you get for not having a plan!

TGM

the intent was clearly another sequel TRILOGY. episode X is a concession that TLJ screwed the pooch and the story needs to be put back on track and just can't be done with one film. perhaps Fisher's death also contributed.

wishbone

"Or does she only have enough fuel for one space resurrection‽"

Franchot

Just when I want to give TLJ another shot, someone posts a video like this.

Thanks! You just saved me some hours out of my life and a lot of grief.

Draven

Or just watch it for yourself and make up your own mind.

RoboDad

Or, you could actually verify for yourself that he HAS seen the movie before, but he realized that the portions included in the video are enough to remind him how bad the movie is.

Draven

My point is that these "everything that's wrong with BLANK" videos are fucking stupid. I'd rather watch a movie myself and make up my own mind.

But hey, anything to pile on TLJ some more, right?

Jay G.

CinemaSins is just awful. They outright admit that their "everything wrong with..." videos have flaws, claiming they're not critics and their videos are just meant as entertainment only. They just nitpick everything to death, and their nitpicks are sometimes not even consistent or logical.

Some videos explaining everything wrong with CinemaSins:

Mike86

He’s seen the movie though so he’s got the opinion that he doesn’t like it already.

Jay G.

Except Franchot stated that the video affected his opinion of the film, i.e. he was going to give it "another shot," but the video convinced him to do otherwise. He framed it like it changed his opinion in some way.

To my mind, there's two people that watch Cinemasins videos:

• Those that just like watching someone snark over all movies, regardless of the quality of the movie (they crap on any and every movie: Die Hard, Back to the Future, The Matrix, Harry Potter. Basically anything popular that will generate views).
• Those that hate a particular film and want to see it crapped on some more, and maybe try to use it as "evidence" that the film is bad.

A CinemaSins video isn't proof of a movie being bad anymore than any other review, and it's actually probably worse than most other reviews, since they're known to just rag on any movie that will get them a lot of views.

Franchot

Yes, I saw it in the theater and own the movie and have seen it several times. I read up on all the explanations as to why the plot holes and weak story telling are intentionally there in the film. I'm trying to move the needle up of this film into the appealing area for me so I can join the "love fest", but the needle ain't budging.

Mike86

Chill out man. You don’t have to go on the defensive for the movie just because a video you disagree with is posted. The movie has been out since last December and the Cinema Sins movie just came out. I’m sure those of us who wanted to see it and have formed an opinion on it already have done so long before that review. Of course they’re review isn’t the be all end all judgement on the film. It’s just a popular channel that takes jabs at films. Some with more pointed criticism than others. It’s no different than any other review or if someone posted a glowing review that you agreed with.

Jay G.

Actually, I'm posting because tanman hit on a pet peeve of mine. I've thought CinamaSins was awful for a while now.

story

So many hours put into making videos about why they don't like movies. Good thing they didn't spend fighting poverty in their neighborhood or registering people to vote, or something dumb like that.

Jay G.

To be fair, both of those things sound like work, and arguing with people online is something you can easily do from anywhere, at your own pace. I should know.

story

Pfft, whatever. I'm going to video prove you wrong so hard. Just give me a month to carefully write and edit a video almost as long as a movie that proves you're wrong and then it is you who will learn what a positive contribution to society looks like!

tanman

To clarify I didn't want to change anyone's mind. I'm honestly a bit jealous of people who loved the movie. And yes that's their Schtick it's not evidence of a good film or bad. Sometimes their videos are funny but they've never changed my mind about a movie. But their opinions happened to perfectly line up with my own and pointed out a lot of things that I didn't think about. Like the whole fuel thing. That's another plot device that doesn't fit in at all with Star Wars and yet another thing that the plot heavily relies on that doesn't even have any precedent in the Star Wars universe as a whole. The film didn't feel like Star Wars.

Brack

This thread may never.

I will say this though. My favorite criticism has to be people that think it’s a good movie, but not a good Star Wars movie. I get the argument to an extent, but that still sounds awfully contradictory, and should fully explain why critics like it without much confusion. But, whatever.

Franchot

If that's the way someone chooses to spend their hours, who am I to judge? People could say that I'm "wasting" my hours by reading and posting to threads on DVDTalk instead of taking that time to do something altruistic with those hours.