And "Hotline Bling" starts quietly playing in the background.

Marty still wouldn’t have overcome his impetuous nature that ruins his life in a car accident.

And Part 3 is where Christopher Lloyd really gets to evolve the character of Doc Brown. His scenes with Clara and Marty, his genuine enthusiasm for living in the past. It’s a great performance.

Meh, just tweak that part of the story. Either he overcomes his impetuous nature back during the 1955 revisit, or just excise that plot element entirely.

I'm not saying there aren't through lines, but it's not like BBTF 1,2, and 3 all share a consistent plot and tone. And the sequels aren't the classics the first movie is.

I've been away from the board for five days.

I came here, read all of the posts I missed, and it literally gave me a headache...

You should have just saved your time and accepted that The Last Jedi sucks. No reason to read all of those posts.

Or... it's one of the best. Tough call.

He already thinks it sucks. Too bad he can't provide a coherent argument for why it sucks though.

The Last Jedi was the best Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back in my opinion.

I agree completely.

I don't.

I find that it has almost zero rewatchability factor.

And yet you can't get it out of your mind, considering how often you post in this thread...

I'm still not convinced the trilogy wasn't planned out in advance. We still don't know the plot of Ep9. Remember, when TESB came out, many people were a little let down. Some didn't even believe Vader when he told Luke he was his father. They thought he was lying to mess with Luke. This is why Luke asks for confirmation from Yoda in RotJ. Lucas put that in the script to convince the doubting fans.

I'm sticking with my theory that Kylo actually WAS lying to Rey to mess with her. I'm fully prepared to be wrong though. Just seems like something they would do to mess with fans who think they have it all figured out.

Possibly true, but also not really saying much. They’ve all been roughly 5/10 since Empire for me. I keep hoping for another great film, that hope and the quality of first two are enough for me to keep watching.

The point is you can't say it is causation or it's not because that doesn't even apply here. It's an opinion.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-a6808651.html

https://movieweb.com/star-wars-force...rents-mom-dad/

"Rey's parents are not in Episode 7. So I can't possibly tell you who they are at this moment. it may sound like an autosave. But all I will say is that this is something that Rey thinks about, too."
-JJ

“We’re going to make sure that that answer is deeply and profoundly satisfying,” he teased. “Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens, but in the entire galaxy. She deserves it. We’ll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was something that happened a long time ago, far away, and we’re just telling you what happened.”
-Trevorrow

Even in the original quote JJ is teasing her parents and there is clearly a running theme that her parents are important. And all this is combined with all the clues already mentioned that were already in the movie.

You're still the one arguing the definition of carte blanche vs. certain freedoms like it matters.

You really think that it's so difficult to even think about planning out even the next movie?

So we're going to play the force theme and have Ewan call out to Rey as Obi-wan after she touches the lightsaber and then have a flash back of her parent's leaving her and later we're going to have Luke's light saber fly out to her at just the right moment. -JJ

That's great JJ wonderful. One question. Who really is Rey's parents? -KK

Uh...I don't know......do you? -JJ

Uh...no. Eh it's okay. I'm sure it's not important. -KK


We'll never know and certainly wouldn't have been a guarantee. But in my opinion a lot of the problems I have stem from a lack of consistency and planning. And that's why I said a basic plot structure or map. Of course it would be better to change some things on the fly as the fans respond.

There hasn't been one. Reshooting an entire movie is a major blow.

"I love vanilla ice cream!"
"No you don't love vanilla you love chocalate." -Jay.G

I don't know why you keep trying to change people's opinions on what they thought of the movie. Granted there are a lot of toxic Star Wars fans out there. But I for one am not trying to change anyone's opinion. If you love it that's great. I'm happy for you. I really wish I loved it too. But I didn't and these are my opinions why I didn't. You don't have tell everyone why their opinion is wrong.

Yeah because of productions issues. And who is in charge of production?

I already said I was speculating. But I think the BO numbers for JL which featured Superman, Batman, and WW speaks for themselves.

Yes given the choice I think a physical encounter would have been more meaningful. Think Luke, Leia, and Han celebrating after blowing up the death star in ANH.

I wish I could see TLJ filtered through your eyes and minds...I can't so I'm putting it just a notch above the Episodes 1,2, and 3.

Obviously, this is all subjective so nobody is wrong. But I'm surprisingly going to say that Solo was the best SW movie since ESB. I know many here never saw it (I reluctantly went 3 weeks after its release because a friend dragged me there kicking and screaming and was absolutely surprised how much I loved it). I don't think the movie is for every SW fan as it really appeals to the SW 77 fans who saw the original and enjoy that tone and sense of adventure. The movie doesn't take itself too seriously and isn't pretending to have some grand message like the PT and TLJ tried to do, it's just a straight up heist movie set in a GFFA. I sort of like that it's a cult movie as that has never happened with this franchise.

If the only way you can defend a lousy film is with sophistry, sealioning, and ad hominem attacks...

*plonk*

Not wasting any more time.

Not everything needs to be an argument. Sometimes a pig is a pig... even with rose colored glasses on.

Sometimes that pig is Bacon!

It’s kind of pointless to argue with Jay G. in particular because all he does is counter every argument and doesn’t seem to really take the other side into account. Even if the other side makes a point as some of us have he’ll find some reason it’s not a valid argument even if it seems to only not be in his mind (yet he’ll scrutinize any point against the film and make it seem like you need sources to back up your argument ).

Oh boy! I’ll take some time tonight to savor that one. I love those guys.

The best is when they sat down and made a bunch of guesses about what Solo would be like. They basically said, “I’m going to put myself in the shoes of an idiot who makes obvious choices.” They were like 75% accurate.

I don't counter every argument, some I just ignore. I counter every argument I disagree with though. The film isn't perfect, it has its flaws, but a lot of the arguments against it have flaws of their own. I'm challenging people to explore their own opinions and try and reason them out, but some people apparently don't like to have their opinions challenged.

It was an opinion on why the film is bad, i.e. causation. "the film is bad because of X."

The first quote doesn't clearly say that JJ considers the parents themselves to be important figures, just that the question is important to Rey, which is how TLJ plays it.

The second quote isn't from JJ, and is from someone fired from the franchise before TLJ was released. It's not a good example of JJ hyping up the importance of Rey's parents.

..and I've already explained why those "clues" don't necessarily mean what you read into them.

You mean, just one movie ahead? Because Rian Johnson was doing that while TFA was still in production. JJ read the TLJ script before TFA was released.

To plan a whole trilogy and set it in stone? Given the production schedule, the desired release dates, JJ's reluctance to helm all 3 films, the necessary re-writes if you're trying to co-ordinate all three scripts in advance... I do think it's more difficult than you're trying to paint it. And again, it's never been done before.

What specific problems do you think were caused by the lack of planning?

Well, it's a good thing Solo wasn't entirely reshot then.

I'm not trying to change anyone's minds, I'm trying to get people to explain their arguments clearly, and pointing out what I consider faults in their logic.

Whereas I think the fact that JL features 3 characters who didn't have their own movies beforehand, and which didn't promote Superman at all in the publicity beforehand, with a not very popular Batman, and with really poor reviews, speaks for itself. But it's just speculation.

Fair enough, it would've been more meaningful. But personally, I don't think the Force projection was as unmeaningful as you feel it was. Were the Force projection scenes between Kylo and Rey not meaningful because they were not "really" together? How did Kylo get rain on him?