Sexual Harassment/Assault & Abuse in Hollywood -- Discussion
#651
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Harvey gets sued from Canada tonight (along with Disney, oddly), and someone finally outs one of his female assistant-facilitators:
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-assaults.html
And not surprisingly, it gets uglier from there . . .
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Also, the media has been getting plenty of mileage out of this on-the-nose clip today:
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https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-assaults.html
The next morning the woman says she received a call from Schneeweiss, who said Weinstein wished to meet her for a “breakfast meeting” at the Sutton Place Hotel to “discuss her career and potential opportunities with Miramax.”
Once alone with the woman, Weinstein allegedly said he liked massages and asked, “What do you think about massages?”
The woman said she thought they were “great,” but the subject was “not an appropriate one for a business meeting.”
“Weinstein chuckled, then sat silently and did not move,” the statement of claim reads. “He stared intently at her for several seconds.”
Once alone with the woman, Weinstein allegedly said he liked massages and asked, “What do you think about massages?”
The woman said she thought they were “great,” but the subject was “not an appropriate one for a business meeting.”
“Weinstein chuckled, then sat silently and did not move,” the statement of claim reads. “He stared intently at her for several seconds.”
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Also, the media has been getting plenty of mileage out of this on-the-nose clip today:
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#652
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Add in all the pretentious shit actors have to go through to play their character (and we, the audience, applauds them for). It gets complex. Harvey Weinstein is unforgivable. Kevin Spacey (at 26 years old) pushed himself onto a 14 year old boy-actor, but didn't do anything. There's a difference, right?
#653
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In my opinion, all of the "not guilty" posts in this thread are the best examples of DVD Talk members excusing pedophilia, but maybe that's a conversation for another thread.
#654
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Brett Ratner Accused of Sexual Harassment by Six Women (Report)
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bre...nt-1202604256/
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bre...nt-1202604256/
#655
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Dustin Hoffman Sexually Harassed Me When I Was 17 (Guest Column)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...column-1053466
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...column-1053466
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From the stuff I've been reading, harassment is an extremely broad term, some of these are pretty innocuous (in some cases, it was a sign of the times, even if it wasn't right), others are pretty vile.
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Dustin Hoffman Sexually Harassed Me When I Was 17 (Guest Column)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...column-1053466
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...column-1053466
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Dustin Hoffman Sexually Harassed Me When I Was 17 (Guest Column)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...column-1053466
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fea...column-1053466
But the bad news is Brenda* [my supervisor] said it's too bad it became an issue. Hell, I didn't make it an issue. He did. She said that for the sake of the production we have to sacrifice some of our values and just let it roll over our heads. She said we should try to have a sense of humor and just giggle and slap his hands or something. But that's when I feel the cheapest, like, "Oh, she really likes it."
Definitely an eye-opening piece. For those on this thread who wonder why women don't report such things, this piece is a must-read. She was 17 and is quite articulate about the mixed feelings she had.
#660
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Part of the problem is that a lot of people, especially in narcissist-magnet Hollywood, believe "the times" haven't changed, so they just keep right on indulging themselves. But the reality is we now live in a time where it's easier to affect meaningful change then ever before, even if it means utilizing the legitimate press and social media to call out egregious behavior and seedy situations from the past in order to hose off the road toward some kind of progress. Hopefully, anyway. This is Hollywood, after all, and this kind behavior dates back to its very inception, so a housecleaning has been long overdue.
I do think a lot more of these "assistants" need to be named and held accountable if a real clean-up is to be effective. I'm sure some of them felt just as victimized -- or likely to be victimized -- as those they helped feed to the beasts who employed them. But their seeming ability to "normalize" their work as "sex brokers" for the rich, entitled men they worked for is deeply disturbing. Business as usual for some of them, but surely a defense mechanism for others, which only served to keep this stuff under the rug even longer.
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#661
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Second Man Accuses Kevin Spacey of Sexual Assault: He ‘Grabbed My Whole Package’
Montana says he was left with PTSD for six months after he claims Spacey "forcefully" grabbed his crotch.
It follows an allegation made by Anthony Rapp that the House of Cards actor tried to "seduce" him when he was 14 years old.
Kevin Spacey says he has no recollection of that encounter, and was "beyond horrified".
Film director Montana told Radar Online that he was in his thirties when the incident took place at the Coronet Bar in LA.
He says he removed Spacey's hand from his crotch and walked away, but claims the actor later followed him into the men's toilets.
Separately, a British man claims Kevin Spacey exposed himself to him in 2010, when he was working at a hotel in West Sussex.
Speaking to the Sun, Daniel Beal alleges the Usual Suspects star flashed his private parts, saying: "It's big, isn't it?" and tried to get the then 19-year-old to touch him.
The former bartender claims Spacey also invited him up to his room, but he rejected the star's advances.
Beal says Spacey gave him his £5,000 watch later that same evening, and a few weeks later called him asking to meet up.
He told the Sun: "In hindsight, that must have been grooming. He was just like his character in House Of Cards - seedy and a bit weird."
The BBC has also uncovered allegations of sexual misconduct against Spacey by a man who claims he was harassed by the star in the mid-1980s.
The man, who wanted to remain anonymous, says he met the star at theatre school before being invited to New York by him, when he was 17 years old.
Speaking to the Victoria Derbyshire programme, the man (who they've called John), says despite sleeping on the star's sofa he woke up fully clothed with Spacey lying on him, in his underwear.
John, who still works in the entertainment industry, said Spacey again became "affectionate" the second night he was in the city.
"I burst into tears because I couldn't articulate any more what was happening to me. I was scared... To his credit, he backed off and we went to sleep."
Reflecting on his experience, John says: "It seems he was grooming me. For me, I never let on that that's what I was interested in. I never discussed it, nor did I want it.
John points out neither of them drank any alcohol that weekend.
"He was either very stupid or he was predatory - or maybe a little of both. I was uncomfortable at best, traumatised at worst, emotionally.
John says he didn't tell the authorities or his parents at the time, although he has since told friends.
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Of course anyone here can can think what they want. So can I, and I think the lack of objectivity in the court of public opinion surrounding some this is damaging to everyone involved including the victims. In no way does any of that mean that attempting to inject some objectivity into the conversation is "excusing pedophilia" as someone said I seemed to be doing.
In my opinion, all of the "not guilty" posts in this thread are the best examples of DVD Talk members excusing pedophilia, but maybe that's a conversation for another thread.
In my opinion, all of the "not guilty" posts in this thread are the best examples of DVD Talk members excusing pedophilia, but maybe that's a conversation for another thread.
#664
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Brett Ratner Accused of Sexual Harassment by Six Women (Report)
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bre...nt-1202604256/
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bre...nt-1202604256/
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I do think a lot more of these "assistants" need to be named and held accountable if a real clean-up is to be effective. I'm sure some of them felt just as victimized -- or likely to be victimized -- as those they helped feed to the beasts who employed them. But their seeming ability to "normalize" their work as "sex brokers" for the rich, entitled men they worked for is deeply disturbing. Business as usual for some of them, but surely a defense mechanism for others, which only served to keep this stuff under the rug even longer.
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I doubt it. Have you followed his career? Don Simpson was the crazy perverted coked out maniac during their 80s/90s heyday. He probably had a rap sheet a mile long that would take him down from this hysteria, but died in 96. Bruckheimer was the straight edge guy in their partnership.
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Powerful Hollywood personalities sexually assault, rape, and wield influence to silence victims and ruin their careers.
Internet: I'd like to see more accountability for the assistants.
Internet: I'd like to see more accountability for the assistants.
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But to be fair, I'm sure a court of law would take that into consideration. I mean Shit, some states now have laws were standing by and not helping people in trouble can get them arrested. Some of these assistants, most likely under intimidation whether real or imagined, more or less led these women/men(?) right into abusive situations. If I led you to an alley where you got your ass kicked, I'd say I was guilty of assisting in your assault even if the person(s) who kicked your ass threatened me to brings you there.
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They're practically paid pimps. Why shouldn't they be taken to task? As I mentioned in my post above, many of them probably felt just as threatened as the eventual victims, but stayed the course anyway. The lawsuit from the actress here in Toronto directly names one of them, so clearly they're a part of the problem, especially in the Weinstein cases. This does not absolve the people they work for, as if that needed saying.
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They're practically paid pimps. Why shouldn't they be taken to task? As I mentioned in my post above, many of them probably felt just as threatened as the eventual victims, but stayed the course anyway. The lawsuit from the actress here in Toronto directly names one of them, so clearly they're a part of the problem, especially in the Weinstein cases. This does not absolve the people they work for, as if that needed saying.
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They're practically paid pimps. Why shouldn't they be taken to task? As I mentioned in my post above, many of them probably felt just as threatened as the eventual victims, but stayed the course anyway. The lawsuit from the actress here in Toronto directly names one of them, so clearly they're a part of the problem, especially in the Weinstein cases. This does not absolve the people they work for, as if that needed saying.
To take it a step further, Hollywood as a whole is complicit. Every powerful star or director that worked for Miramax enabled Weinstein to some extent. I think they're really scummy to live a life of luxury knowing that their pal was abusing people right under their noses, but what can we do to punish them?
This doesn't strike me as a circumstance where anybody will do any time, just have their lives/career ruined. Our best hope is changing the Hollywood landscape forever, so that it's not a haven for predators. When this first broke, I feared Hollywood was serving Harvey up as a sacrificial lamb and business would continue as usual. But I've been pleasantly surprised to see the names continue to drop, even currently popular actors like Kevin Spacey, so perhaps there's hope.