I will. Because im on the right side of this matter/history. You. Are. Not.

Guess you must have suffered temporary blindness then when GoldenJCJ raised some pretty fair questions.

Get over yourself. What a ridiculously self-righteous post. Please show evidence of Crocker Jarmen not being on the "right side of this matter/history." Especially when the post you're responding to is about celebrity.

As good as it gets?
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/a...lt-1202943981/
It comes full circle...

The snake eating it’s own tail.

Remember when everyone said Hollywood was a pit of sex perverts? Turns out they were right.

Yeah, I don't understand how Crocker Jarmen's comments about being able to separate any adoration for celebrities is being on the wrong side of history.

There was a big expose published about Woody Allen's wif, Soon-Yi - http://www.vulture.com/2018/09/soon-...in-speaks.html

And follow up statements from Dylan and Ronan Farrow: http://www.vulture.com/2018/09/dylan...yi-previn.html

It is a strange article in the sense that it is written by someone who seems to be a friend and admirer of Woody. You would think they would get someone who was more objective, but I guess having a relationship is what allowed the article to be written and gain access.

Also, Woody is not 100% certain Ronan is his biological son.

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Didn't Penn hit Madonna with a baseball bat and tie her to a chair one time?

Maybe he's not the right guy to comment on this stuff...

Which GoldenJCJ post? I saw them and hadn't addressed them yet. BTW, the post you are talking about was addressing Eddie's post

You are right, my post have been "ridiculously self-righteous".

Here is my point with Aziz...and to be clear, though he "may" have behaved like a pig... I DO NOT BELIEVE HE DID ANYTHING WORTHY OF LOSING GIGS, ARREST, SHUNNING etc.

However, even if she gave him that power like Crocker says, is it so hard to believe that there is a possibility that Aziz was banking on his "celebrity" in the context of "Male Entitlement"? If you say "no" that's fine. We will agree to disagree on that, but at least agree it was a "bad date". "Bad Dates" aren't illegal or even unethical if no laws were broken. But denying that Celebrity affects people, even if it does nothing to Croker personally, is kinda naive. Shit, I work in entertainment and deal with "names" every day so I'm admittedly a bit jaded. But I still see how celebs affect Joe and Cindy Blow.



probably as far as it can in a Male Run Society. Ending sexually harassment, ending sexual assaults, ending Male Entitlement, giving women (and men) the strength to speak up about being abused, etc. Let me ask you this, how far do YOU think it should go? Should it stop at violent rapes? But not address men who badger women into sex because of male entitlement? You tell me...

In the context of this thread through, it was asked what power did Ansari have over the woman that prevented her from saying "no," and ending the date when he wanted to get sexual with her? The woman claims it was sexual misconduct and sexual assaullt. It seemed like Trevor was agreeing with that, and said that Ansari had power over her.

And it was answered. "Celebrity". Whether you guys agree or not...it was already answered and expanded on.

I’m beyond flabbergasted that anyone can deny the power of celebrity. It’s partly what this whole thread and the metoo movement is based upon.

But I never said that Aziz’s case was sexual assault. Misconduct might be a good word. But thinking it just a bad date is ridiculous imo.

IMHO, the difference between the power of celebrity (assuming you're not in a related business/industry where you could be affected by the celebrity) and that of a person truly in power over someone is that the power of celebrity really just boils down to desirability of the celebrity for the admirer.

It's similar to a woman being more willing to hook up a with a non-celeb guy she thinks is really hot. He's more desirable, so she's more willing.

I agree. The power of celebrity is completely on the part of the person adoring that celebrity. Any power they give that celebrity is the power they are giving them. Kind of like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you find someone beautiful and irresistible can you fault them for you finding them that way? I think that would be pretty ridiculous.

On CBS This Morning they said Julie Chen is leaving The View but will stay on Big Brother.

Exactly, kinda like the older cartoon that went around with the hot guy in the office compliments a woman she thinks it cute or sweet, but the weird guy says the same thing and it is reported to HR. Pretty people like celebrities typically get a bigger pass in the world.

Impressive that she is leaving a show she isn't even on!

She is on The Talk.

Shit. They all seem the same.

OK that's fine. But whether the power was real, both in the same industry and he has the power to ruin her, or imagined, she GAVE him that power just because he's a celebrity....THE POWER IS/WAS STILL THERE.

You ever hear stories from women who had sex with men because she was afraid to say no? And I'm not talking about some back alley violent assault situation. I'm talking about on a date or just met a guy at a bar and things are ok but not great to her. But he is badgering her for sex and maybe giving signs he won't take a "no" to well...so she has sex to get out of the situation. I promise you, you have women in your life who this has happened too.


Point is, are we going to then tell this woman...'Well, you gave him the power so just accept the 'L' for the day and get over it"? If so, why aren't we teaching Men to NOT pressure women into sex when they don't feel comfortable? This is also the kind of stuff MeToo should be about. Teaching men that we don't have be this way with women. And again, I do not believe Aziz did anything where he should lose a job, be shunned, or arrested.

Plus his own well-regarded Netflix show that won him an Emmy and a Golden Globe (plus a bunch more nominations). Sure, he might be a minor celebrity, but still a celebrity IMO.

I think those are important points/distinctions.

The difference I'm getting at is things like that, as well has holding power over someone's future, can constitute a criminal act. Without those things it just makes one a shitty person.

No argument, whatsoever, that (mostly) men need to be taught that this is not acceptable behaviour.

In addition, women need to be taught that even if someone is highly desirable (looks or celebrity status), if you think your association with that person hinges on having sex with them, and you don't want to, just walk away.

This is important. How we do it I'm not sure.