Unclejosh

Also it often times take a very specific type of person to gain those levels of power and many of them have sociopathic and narcissistic tendencies which can lead to abusing the power and those types either don't care how their actions affect others or can delude themselves into thinking their behavior is justified or even believe they are doing nothing wrong.

It is likely such power used on them at some point in their past as well in many cases.

dex14

Except he wasn’t in a position of power because it had nothing to do with the work environment. And the article was literally called: “I went on a date with Aziz Ansari...”

If it were a PA on the show he created that he was constantly crossing the line with it would be a little different.

DJariya

Kind of related to the Moonves situation, but I watched a video yesterday (called the Weekly Hero) and Robert Meyer Burnett is one of the co-hosts. If you don't know who he is, he's worked on, produced and edited many of the behind the scenes documentaries on the Star Trek the next generation blu-rays. He's had many dealings with CBS. He says that no one is going to miss Moonves. He said Moonves is hated and is the one responsible for forcing out Rick Berman (Star Trek's main producer) into early retirement.

Coral

I get that, but at the same time - how is the man supposed to know if she's doing it out of fear or if she's has legitimate interest? Like I said, if this wasn't Harvey - I honestly would've thought she was genuinely interested in him by how she acts in the video. It didn't even look like an act.

Of course we know Harvey's "do or die" approach, so I'm obviously believing her over him 100%. It's weird that she didn't work for Harvey, so he couldn't fire her... she just wouldn't have his business (if I assumed the working relationship correctly).

In any case, Harvey can go fuck himself when he asks for forgiveness. It wasn't a one time thing... or even during a short period of time. It was systematic across a long number of years, to a large number of women. And when he didn't get his way, he destroyed careers and lives. This isn't a person making a mistake... this is the person's true self.

Defiant1

Well, that's one for his plus column then. Rick Berman is another asshole who sexually harassed people under him.

Perkinsun Dzees

Well, this was pretty awkward. You can see that Norm would rather be anywhere else than pandering to The View.

At least Whoopi and Joy, as fellow comedians, clearly have respect and empathy for Norm, but the other two co-hosts are clueless (the co-host to his right doesn't realize that this is how Norm usually talks, regardless of the situation).

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TomOpus

I don't watch the show but Twitter was a little abuzz because at the end of Big Brother, Julie said "I'm Julie Chen Moonves. Goodnight."

DthRdrX

As soon as I heard about the Norm situation I immediately thought he was taken out of context, given how Norm thinks/speaks. The political correctness today is pathetic IMO.

andicus

Not Hollywood, directly, but...

John Jarratt (Mick Taylor in the Wolf Creek movies/series) has been charged with a rape, dating back to 1976. As a result, the S2 US release has been put on hold, as well as any work on S3. He's said he's willing to take a lie detector test to answer the allegation, but it's unlikely that he'll see trial until August 2019, at the earliest.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...29-p500j9.html

Giantrobo

So is the sexual harassment, rape, ruining of careers for not having sex with powerful men...but hey, that PC shit has to go!! NOW!!!

dex14

Putting words in other people's mouth has to go too.

Giantrobo

Hey, at least it's not a powerful man's dick to keep a job...

EddieMoney

I'm really concerned with this epidemic of female teachers raping their male students, but that doesn't really fit into the current narrative of "men are trash!"

Trevor

Power extends beyond the work environment. He’s a celebrity, she isn’t. I’m not saying it was equal to other types of sexual harassment discussed here, but it wasn’t simply “a bad date”.

dex14

What power did he have over her? He attempted to hook up with her. There was no harassment. Being a celebrity doesn't have anything to do with it.

The NYTimes article (written by a woman) that followed sums it up better than I can:

"To judge from social media reaction, they also see a flagrant abuse of power in this sexual encounter. Yes, Mr. Ansari is a wealthy celebrity with a Netflix show. But he had no actual power over the woman — professionally or otherwise. And lumping him in with the same movement that brought down men who ran movie studios and forced themselves on actresses, or the factory-floor supervisors who demanded sex from female workers, trivializes what #MeToo first stood for.

I’m sorry this woman had this experience. I too have had lousy romantic encounters, as has every adult woman I know. I have regretted these encounters, and not said anything at all. I have regretted them and said so, as she did. And I know I am lucky that these unpleasant moments were far from being anything approaching assault or rape, or even the worst night of my life."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/o...arassment.html

And that's only one of the many people who spoke out against that article.

brayzie

As a celebrity, how exactly did Aziz Ansari have power of this particular woman?

Giantrobo

How does anyone, yes, even a woman...deny the power of Celebrity in our society? How does one deny the worship we all have and will heap on them just because they are funny, do Geek Films, play sports, etc?

Giantrobo

I think many need to figure out what constitutes a MeToo. These Women aren't just fighting for women raped and/or job blocked on a "Harvey W level". It's a whole culture of Male Entitlement that puts women in these situations.

Official MeToo:
A, B, and C,

The other Version of MeToo that seems to be popular with some here:
Just A. Anything else is "just boys being boys" and she should just chalk it up to life experience...

VHS?

This ones a bit of a bummer. Big fan of the guy and the series.
I wonder what evidence they have after 40+ years

DthRdrX

Give me a break. Violin playing for the bleeding hearts that compare jokes to rape ....

Crocker Jarmen

Speak for yourself. Not everyone heaps praise on any celebrity from Johnny-football-hero to the guy who played Ernest. Some of us have healthy relationships with the media we consume, and don't confuse our adoration with a movie or videogame with somehow meaning the creators are Gods.

It's why some people can enjoy Chinatown despite Roman Polanski being a pathetic, disgusting, criminal. I don't love him. I love the movie.

Any "power" Master of None had over this woman, is power she gave to him.

DthRdrX

I ran into two celebs down in Miami a few weeks ago. Kanye and Kim K. You know what I did? I walked in the other direction and ignored them.

GoldenJCJ

So does the metoo movement mean that women are now supposed to ask men out on dates the majority of the time? We don’t want all these damn powerful, entitled men forcing women to say yes to a date.

I mean, where are we going to draw the line here?

Draven

That’s the definitely the kind of conversation we should be having. Perhaps some women could weigh in on what they want?

Ash Ketchum

And my question would be, how exactly is Aziz Ansari a celebrity? But then I haven't heard of half the people caught up in these scandals until I came to this thread. Like that podcast host married to the Hearst heiress. How is a podcast host a "celebrity"? Now Hearst was a celebrity and had genuine power over people. But that's another story from another era. He would have chewed up Harvey Weinstein and Les Moonves for breakfast and spit them out after lunch. He certainly helped derail Orson Welles' Hollywood career.



Now where were we? Oh yeah, Julie Chen's future dating plans...