Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
04-03-19, 09:05 AM
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Looks really good, not what I was expecting at all.
04-03-19, 09:12 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
To quote someone I follow on twitter who has a locked account (so I can't just embed it):
"I feel like I watched the wrong JOKER trailer? The one I watched looked like a Funny or Die video about “What if Scorsese made a Joker movie?” directed by an intern who saw KING OF COMEDY for the first time six months ago."
I'm just not hyped for this at all... but we'll see how this pans out.
"I feel like I watched the wrong JOKER trailer? The one I watched looked like a Funny or Die video about “What if Scorsese made a Joker movie?” directed by an intern who saw KING OF COMEDY for the first time six months ago."
I'm just not hyped for this at all... but we'll see how this pans out.
04-03-19, 09:29 AM
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To quote someone I follow on twitter who has a locked account (so I can't just embed it):
"I feel like I watched the wrong JOKER trailer? The one I watched looked like a Funny or Die video about “What if Scorsese made a Joker movie?” directed by an intern who saw KING OF COMEDY for the first time six months ago."
I'm just not hyped for this at all... but we'll see how this pans out.
"I feel like I watched the wrong JOKER trailer? The one I watched looked like a Funny or Die video about “What if Scorsese made a Joker movie?” directed by an intern who saw KING OF COMEDY for the first time six months ago."
I'm just not hyped for this at all... but we'll see how this pans out.
04-03-19, 09:39 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
This forum I swear."I don't like them giving an origin to the Joker". " I don't feel that we need an origin for the Joker".
Also this forum:
"I still love Batman 89!" (which featured an origin of The Joker and was almost more about the Joker than Batman)
"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Rocks!"(which featured backstory about the Joker)
Lets not discount the fact that Batman: The Killing Joke is one of the most acclaimed comic book stories of all time and features...an origin of the Joker.
Personally I'm sold. Phoenix seems to bring it, I like his look, I like his laugh and I think it looks pretty damn interesting. The only thing that is kind of strange is not having Batman around already. Do we need a Joker origin movie? Probably not. But if its well done, then who cares?
People will find any reason to complain though. Especially if it's DC.
04-03-19, 09:45 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
04-03-19, 09:56 AM
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Sure... except I don't think it's meant to feel like an actual joke at this point. But it really does. And I don't mean this as a way to parrot the quote I posted... I just mean... this is setting the joker up as just some failed loser who snaps. Time will tell, I guess. Sorry to be a downer.
04-03-19, 10:09 AM
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I’m not entirely sure how I feel about it yet. On the one hand it looks incredibly well made and Phoenix looks and sounds great. I’ll give it those aspects. I take issue with it seeming like Arthur/Joker is this loser who seemingly takes revenge. It’s also unclear if he actually undergoes a transformation via falling into a vat of acid or if he just adopts the persona of The Joker. I think as a completely separated film it’ll be interesting, but I kind of hope it doesn’t tie to anything else at this point.
04-03-19, 10:16 AM
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I think it looks good
04-03-19, 10:19 AM
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It looks ok. As long as they don’t make theJoker Bruce’s half brother, I’ll check it out. It’s still not the version of my favorite comic villain I want to see.
What else bothers me is how DC bungles everything. This could very well be a one off, that goes nowhere. We’ll get five minutes of the true Joker at the end. Then nothing for a few years until the Joker pops back up by a different actor and no connection to this film.
What else bothers me is how DC bungles everything. This could very well be a one off, that goes nowhere. We’ll get five minutes of the true Joker at the end. Then nothing for a few years until the Joker pops back up by a different actor and no connection to this film.
04-03-19, 10:22 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
"I still love Batman 89!" (which featured an origin of The Joker and was almost more about the Joker than Batman)
Lets not discount the fact that Batman: The Killing Joke is one of the most acclaimed comic book stories of all time and features...an origin of the Joker.
Personally I'm sold. Phoenix seems to bring it, I like his look, I like his laugh and I think it looks pretty damn interesting. The only thing that is kind of strange is not having Batman around already. Do we need a Joker origin movie? Probably not. But if its well done, then who cares?
04-03-19, 10:24 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
This forum I swear."I don't like them giving an origin to the Joker". " I don't feel that we need an origin for the Joker".
Also this forum:
"I still love Batman 89!" (which featured an origin of The Joker and was almost more about the Joker than Batman)
"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Rocks!"(which featured backstory about the Joker)
Lets not discount the fact that Batman: The Killing Joke is one of the most acclaimed comic book stories of all time and features...an origin of the Joker.
Personally I'm sold. Phoenix seems to bring it, I like his look, I like his laugh and I think it looks pretty damn interesting. The only thing that is kind of strange is not having Batman around already. Do we need a Joker origin movie? Probably not. But if its well done, then who cares?
I still kinda wish this was an adaptation of "The Killing Joke".
04-03-19, 10:33 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I'm not the biggest DC fan, you might even call me a shameless Marvel fanboy, and I generally like my comic book movies to be light, but I didn't see anything wrong with that trailer. It looked pretty good to me. I'll go see it.
04-03-19, 10:37 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
It looks ok. As long as they don’t make theJoker Bruce’s half brother, I’ll check it out. It’s still not the version of my favorite comic villain I want to see.
What else bothers me is how DC bungles everything. This could very well be a one off, that goes nowhere. We’ll get five minutes of the true Joker at the end. Then nothing for a few years until the Joker pops back up by a different actor and no connection to this film.
What else bothers me is how DC bungles everything. This could very well be a one off, that goes nowhere. We’ll get five minutes of the true Joker at the end. Then nothing for a few years until the Joker pops back up by a different actor and no connection to this film.
which version do you want to see?
04-03-19, 10:42 AM
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Maybe Arthur is one of the multiple choices of Joker’s origin and this is just another way he’s remembering what happened to make him the way he is.
04-03-19, 10:45 AM
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I agree this movie looks interesting and Phoneix seems to be all in. You know what I'm not interested in? The Joker part. It looks like you could make this movie without that - just make him some kind of vigilante. Nothing about that take on the character looks compelling in this trailer. As I said before - I will wait for reviews.
Right now, Arthur's story seems like the progression of real-world mental health issues transitioning into a villain worthy of a superhero, instead of jumping into the grandiose origin of a supervillain.
04-03-19, 10:59 AM
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04-03-19, 11:01 AM
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I’d like to see the Red Hood version or ideally an origin film that is really made up of multiple contradictory stories. (Which I realize is unfilmable) I just feel giving him too much of a back story, detracts from his true psychopathic nature.
04-03-19, 11:04 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Arthur? Are Joker and Aquaman’s moms going to bond over that?
Also, looks good to me.
Also, looks good to me.
04-03-19, 11:19 AM
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Damn, I thought the trailer looks awesome! Actually gave me chill bumps.
But then again, Man Of Steel did the exact same for me when they released that trailer and we all know how that turned out. (I despise MOS.)
Definitely more excited to see this now as I wasn't sold on the look or the concept before this trailer.
But then again, Man Of Steel did the exact same for me when they released that trailer and we all know how that turned out. (I despise MOS.)
Definitely more excited to see this now as I wasn't sold on the look or the concept before this trailer.
04-03-19, 11:41 AM
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Looks good to me
04-03-19, 11:50 AM
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Watched the trailer again and I really do like most aspects of it. I love the period setting it’s going for and the film overall looks really good.
I don’t like how it seems like we’re really supposed to sympathize with Arthur. The Joker is an insane killer and giving him that backstory as a way of getting us on his side just feels off.
In his comic origin (or at least the one that’s commonly accepted) he makes a choice that ultimately leads him to become what he is. We still understand where he’s coming from, but ultimately he agrees to commit a crime and in the process becomes The Joker. Here him seeming to have mental issues and a guy who’s basically seen as a loser and harassed/picked on makes him far too sympathetic.
I do still think the film looks interesting as a different take on the character though if it’s a one off story. I don’t think this should be connected to anything later on even if Phoenix’s take on the character is fantastic, which it looks like it may challenge Ledger in some regards.
I don’t like how it seems like we’re really supposed to sympathize with Arthur. The Joker is an insane killer and giving him that backstory as a way of getting us on his side just feels off.
In his comic origin (or at least the one that’s commonly accepted) he makes a choice that ultimately leads him to become what he is. We still understand where he’s coming from, but ultimately he agrees to commit a crime and in the process becomes The Joker. Here him seeming to have mental issues and a guy who’s basically seen as a loser and harassed/picked on makes him far too sympathetic.
I do still think the film looks interesting as a different take on the character though if it’s a one off story. I don’t think this should be connected to anything later on even if Phoenix’s take on the character is fantastic, which it looks like it may challenge Ledger in some regards.
04-03-19, 12:06 PM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Looks good to me too. It's a standalone movie and from the looks of it seems like a dark character study involving mental illness turning this man into the "The Joker"