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X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
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Fox has announced a November 2, 2018 release date. Probably could change since it'll open opposite Disney's Mulan... |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I don't know if I have enough faith in Fox to trust them blowing their load and releasing three films in a year. I guess we'll see what happens but aside from Deadpool 2 which has already been in the works it seems like the other two have been in development but not official until now so hopefully they aren't just fast tracking to try and get stuff out because of their recent successes.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Will this be starring Sophie Turner?
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Probably
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Sophie Turner in that outfit? Consider me there.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
They better do it right! :mad:
Phoenix storyline probably one of my favorite Uncanny X-Men era. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by McHawkson
(Post 13058212)
They better do it right! :mad:
Phoenix storyline probably one of my favorite Uncanny X-Men era. The brilliance of the original Phoenix saga in the comics was that it was a slow burn played out over a year until all of a sudden it went KA-BOOM! and she turned. The element of time is what made that so magical (just like with the Judas Contract). You get to see these pieces falling into place slowly. Jamming it all into a two hour film, you get the text but completely miss the spirit of it. That's why I think (and I know a lot of people will violently disagree here) the best adaptation of this material so far has been Buffy Season 6. The scale of physical destruction isn't as large, but the multiple characters emotional devastation in the situation is. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by E Unit
(Post 13058210)
Sophie Turner in that outfit? Consider me there.
Exactly. :hump: |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Paul_SD
(Post 13058271)
Looks to me like Singer learned absolutely nothing from the first time.
The brilliance of the original Phoenix saga in the comics was that it was a slow burn played out over a year until all of a sudden it went KA-BOOM! and she turned. The element of time is what made that so magical (just like with the Judas Contract). You get to see these pieces falling into place slowly. Jamming it all into a two hour film, you get the text but completely miss the spirit of it. That's why I think (and I know a lot of people will violently disagree here) the best adaptation of this material so far has been Buffy Season 6. The scale of physical destruction isn't as large, but the multiple characters emotional devastation in the situation is. Singer? I think he only did X2 with bits of that storyline and Apocalypse with Turner. It was Brett Rather that fucked it up with Last Stand. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Paul_SD
(Post 13058271)
The brilliance of the original Phoenix saga in the comics was that it was a slow burn played out over a year until all of a sudden it went KA-BOOM! and she turned.
The element of time is what made that so magical (just like with the Judas Contract). You get to see these pieces falling into place slowly. Jamming it all into a two hour film, you get the text but completely miss the spirit of it. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
2018 seems optimistic for New Mutants.
Do they have a script completd, or anyone cast? Seems like it's been in development hell for several years. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I wonder if Deadpool will be in New Mutants too. I sort of feel like that's a character that risks getting overplayed fast if he's used too often.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Hmm. Since DOFP connected the Stewart/Mckellen X Men films with the McAvoy/Fassbender films I wonder if this new film will have any Jean Grey/Phoenix continuity.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
(Post 13058277)
Singer? I think he only did X2 with bits of that storyline and Apocalypse with Turner. It was Brett Rather that fucked it up with Last Stand.
Even if Singer had stayed on board for X3 the material would have been compromised because he never really took the time to set it up properly. Just killing her off suddenly at the end and showing a phoenix shadow isn't setting up that storyline in any cathartically substantive way. And what is really aggravating (and something that similarly happened with his Superman effort*), he already had a framework where he could have established this properly. It really served no purpose to have Cyclops kidnapped and being put under Jason's mind-bending. The only thing it accomplished, narratively, was to get Marsden off screen so we could get another movie with Wolverine front and center. However, if they had used Jean in that capacity, the mind fucking she was getting from Jason would have been completely in keeping with the spirit of the comic. Resolve the Stryker storyline, and then in we get a third movie where we see instances of major personality changes, resulting from Jason's mind fuck + the experience on Liberty Island, play this out over another traditional conflict (some other unrelated villain). The end of that film could be her taking delight in brutally killing the bad guy, to the horror of everyone else, signaling she has turned, and then have her speed off (if not into space, then just random parts of the earth) to cause devastation. Then a fourth film has the group massing to confront and subdue/vanquish her. Even if Ratner had never touched it, Singer set it up so that the character would need to get resurrected and killed off in the same film. The net result would have been just as insubstantial. (all IMO, of course) *He actually had the perfect thematic set up for a parasite (or Brainiac) to come back with him undetected to earth, and it's programing or predisposition is to take over this planet and remake it into a new Krypton as per it's biological programing. There was ZERO need for Luthor to even be in the film, let alone using the exact same dialogue and motivation from the first Donner movie. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Mike86
(Post 13058293)
I wonder if Deadpool will be in New Mutants too. I sort of feel like that's a character that risks getting overplayed fast if he's used too often.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Paul_SD
(Post 13058305)
Screw Ratner.
Even if Singer had stayed on board for X3 the material would have been compromised because he never really took the time to set it up properly. Just killing her off suddenly at the end and showing a phoenix shadow isn't setting up that storyline in any cathartically substantive way. And what is really aggravating (and something that similarly happened with his Superman effort*), he already had a framework where he could have established this properly. It really served no purpose to have Cyclops kidnapped and being put under Jason's mind-bending. The only thing it accomplished, narratively, was to get Marsden off screen so we could get another movie with Wolverine front and center. However, if they had used Jean in that capacity, the mind fucking she was getting from Jason would have been completely in keeping with the spirit of the comic. Resolve the Stryker storyline, and then in we get a third movie where we see instances of major personality changes, resulting from Jason's mind fuck + the experience on Liberty Island, play this out over another traditional conflict (some other unrelated villain). The end of that film could be her taking delight in brutally killing the bad guy, to the horror of everyone else, signaling she has turned, and then have her speed off (if not into space, then just random parts of the earth) to cause devastation. Then a fourth film has the group massing to confront and subdue/vanquish her. Even if Ratner had never touched it, Singer set it up so that the character would need to get resurrected and killed off in the same film. The net result would have been just as insubstantial. (all IMO, of course) *He actually had the perfect thematic set up for a parasite (or Brainiac) to come back with him undetected to earth, and it's programing or predisposition is to take over this planet and remake it into a new Krypton as per it's biological programing. There was ZERO need for Luthor to even be in the film, let alone using the exact same dialogue and motivation from the first Donner movie. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Sophie Turner as the lead is troubling to me ....
Are they recasting Wolverine or just leaving him out? Either way, this should be one interesting experiment. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Paul_SD
(Post 13058305)
Screw Ratner.
Even if Singer had stayed on board for X3 the material would have been compromised because he never really took the time to set it up properly. Just killing her off suddenly at the end and showing a phoenix shadow isn't setting up that storyline in any cathartically substantive way. And what is really aggravating (and something that similarly happened with his Superman effort*), he already had a framework where he could have established this properly. It really served no purpose to have Cyclops kidnapped and being put under Jason's mind-bending. The only thing it accomplished, narratively, was to get Marsden off screen so we could get another movie with Wolverine front and center. However, if they had used Jean in that capacity, the mind fucking she was getting from Jason would have been completely in keeping with the spirit of the comic. Resolve the Stryker storyline, and then in we get a third movie where we see instances of major personality changes, resulting from Jason's mind fuck + the experience on Liberty Island, play this out over another traditional conflict (some other unrelated villain). The end of that film could be her taking delight in brutally killing the bad guy, to the horror of everyone else, signaling she has turned, and then have her speed off (if not into space, then just random parts of the earth) to cause devastation. Then a fourth film has the group massing to confront and subdue/vanquish her. Even if Ratner had never touched it, Singer set it up so that the character would need to get resurrected and killed off in the same film. The net result would have been just as insubstantial. (all IMO, of course) |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I'm kind of up in the air with Singer. I mean he kind of made sense of the X-Men universe with Days of Future Past and then proceeded to screw it right back up again with Apocalypse. I never thought his first two X-Men films were that great either so honestly I wouldn't mind if he's just done with the franchise at this point. Get someone fresh in the director's chair.
Also while they're at it as much as I like aspects of the current X-Men films I sort of wish that they'd just start fresh and do a story like this later. With Jackman out as Wolverine and realistically who knows how much longer the current cast will stay on board (it seems like it's up in the air with Fassbender and McAvoy after each film they do) I think it would be a good time to just reset things. There's no need to try and tie the convoluted mess of films they've made together. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Mike86
(Post 13058536)
I'm kind of up in the air with Singer. I mean he kind of made sense of the X-Men universe with Days of Future Past and then proceeded to screw it right back up again with Apocalypse. I never thought his first two X-Men films were that great either so honestly I wouldn't mind if he's just done with the franchise at this point. Get someone fresh in the director's chair.
Also while they're at it as much as I like aspects of the current X-Men films I sort of wish that they'd just start fresh and do a story like this later. With Jackman out as Wolverine and realistically who knows how much longer the current cast will stay on board (it seems like it's up in the air with Fassbender and McAvoy after each film they do) I think it would be a good time to just reset things. There's no need to try and tie the convoluted mess of films they've made together. This sums it up perfectly. They did okay with the first two (which were great for the time when there weren't many comic adaptations), third one and Wolverine:Origins loused it up. First Class got it mostly back on track and I wish they had retained Vaughn as a director. The Wolverine was great save for the third act and set the stage for Days of Future Past which proceeded to make everything right again. Then..Singer pushed his luck with Apocalypse and it started southbound once more. Logan is the almost picture perfect ending to everything. I say let the whole series rest now. I did not mention Deadpool as I'm pretty certain that takes place in its own alternate timeline. Dark Phoenix requires an actress capable of great range playing Jean Grey, and Sophie Turner just doesn't have it yet. No movie should get made simply to squeeze an actress into a skin tight outfit. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Mike86
(Post 13058536)
Also while they're at it as much as I like aspects of the current X-Men films I sort of wish that they'd just start fresh and do a story like this later. With Jackman out as Wolverine and realistically who knows how much longer the current cast will stay on board (it seems like it's up in the air with Fassbender and McAvoy after each film they do) I think it would be a good time to just reset things. There's no need to try and tie the convoluted mess of films they've made together.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
No more Bryan Singer. Apocalypse wasn't bad, but it was so generic and lacking in style and personality that putting him in charge of another epic story just doesn't make sense.
They need new blood. They need to just pause and reboot the whole thing. Start fresh. Build the Phoenix story naturally. But they're not gonna do that. I couldn't be less excited about a new X-Men movie. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I thought the original story that Singer was going to do for X-Men 3 sounded interesting. I think it could have been great. I even liked what they did with the "Phoenix" persona in Ratner's film. But the film needed Cyclops, and he should have been the one to end it, not Wolverine.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
It seems likely Simon Kinberg may end up doing this as his directorial debut.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/22/dark...alflow_twitter |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Kinberg is to partly to blame (along with Zak Penn) for X3 more than Ratner. And he spoke about this prior to doing DOFP.
No, I would have fought harder for The Dark Phoenix. Listen, I think if we made that movie today, there are a lot of things that would be different. The universe today, culturally, is more open to a darker superhero film. And the darkness of her story was a little bit daunting on a huge $200 million studio movie. And, it would be less daunting today. As for the New Mutants, Josh Boone has been tweeting a lot, but not really revealing a lot. Will he use Sunspot from Age of Apocalypse? |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I would have a little more hope if someone else does this film besides Singer. DOFP was the only good X-Men film he has made and besides the story its mostly good because of young/old Magneto and Xavier.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
“The seeds of Phoenix definitely are planted in [Apocalypse]. She can’t control her powers unless she either fully stops them or lets them all loose, and that’s kind of Phoenix. I think in future movies to come we’ll definitely see a bit more of that.” Jean actually got exposed by "deadly radiation" that promptly her to become Phoenix (green suit) and later on, Dark Phoenix (red suit) is supposedly triggered by Mastermind at Hellfire Club. And Dark Phoenix took over Jean's body and went on planet wide destruction and Sha'ar came to arrest her and then she committed suicide on the moon... (I'm just summed it up). So, now, they're going with her growing inner dark that will consume her into Dark Phoenix? It doesn't sounds good to me. If they wanted to make it right, they should run a separate movie trilogy that focus on Dark Phoenix Saga. I hate it when studio making movie that ruins the original of superheroes. They fucked up Elektra and Phoenix in previous movie. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by E Unit
(Post 13058210)
Sophie Turner in that outfit? Consider me there.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Sophie Turner is just a weak actress, and I can't get excited about her getting more screen time in future films.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Even though I love X2 and Days of Future Past, count me as someone that hopes it isn't Singer back for this and also doesn't have faith in doing a Dark Phoenix story with the current universe and set up so far. I could also see another X3 debacle where something that was only mildly hinted at in the previous movie is rushed story wise.
Plus, X3 wasn't even that long ago to try and rehash an already failed story. Plenty of other X-Men stories they could go with. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by devilshalo
(Post 13059004)
I just don't see how you can cram the Dark Phoenix Saga into one film.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Put me in the "Sophie Turner is completely lackluster as Jean Gray" camp. They seem to be very hit or miss in the recasting department. Sophie and J.Law are a step backwards while McAvoy and Fassbender were home runs. Beast was a solid lateral move(I like both Grammer and Hoult).
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Artman
(Post 13058556)
Agreed....reboot everything. Using Deadpool as the launch point. (they've just shown the school, a few characters, etc) Makes no sense to keep this alternate 80's/90's first class story line going. Make the Dark Phoenix story line meaningful down the road with a newly established group.
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re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I'm guessing that Dark Phoenix is going to threaten the world, just like we saw in DOFP, and just like in Apocalypse.
I think the X-Men films would be better off taking a breather from these end-of-the-world scenarios. "The Cure" should have been it's own movie. Making a film involving Genosha (which at one point served as an allegory to apartheid in South Africa but could also bring parallels to Israel and Palestine to make it more current) would be world building. Some of Grant Morrison's storylines would be pretty interesting. |
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Will they kill Jean Grey in this one?
And then bring out her clone to give birth to Cable in the squel? |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by brayzie
(Post 13059434)
I'm guessing that Dark Phoenix is going to threaten the world, just like we saw in DOFP, and just like in Apocalypse.
I think the X-Men films would be better off taking a breather from these end-of-the-world scenarios. "The Cure" should have been it's own movie. Making a film involving Genosha (which at one point served as an allegory to apartheid in South Africa but could also bring parallels to Israel and Palestine to make it more current) would be world building. Some of Grant Morrison's storylines would be pretty interesting. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Originally Posted by Ranger
(Post 13059439)
Will they kill Jean Grey in this one?
And then bring out her clone to give birth to Cable in the squel? I read that Brolin had signed a 4-picture deal to play Cable. Deadpool 2 New Mutants (most likely since wasn't NM pretty much a spin-off into X-Force?) X-Men: Dark Phoenix X-Force? |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
The Phoenix story has been retconned so much I'm not even sure what it is anymore. The one I'm familiar with is Jean was piloting shuttle back to earth and she was going to die from heat and radiation. The Phoenix force came to her and took her form and identy and put Jean in a cocoon at the bottom of the Jamaican bay (which is a CC retcon of his own). So the Phoenix that rose out of the bay wasn't Jean but a copy and thus everything that happened after with the Dark Phoenix wasn't Jean. She doesn't appear again until the start of X-Factor.
It's too complex of a story to fit into a movie. We don't care enough about movie Jean for us to care about this story unless they set it up in multiple movies. |
re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Please God, bring back Bryan Singer to do X3 right this time. Please...
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