Star Trek 4 (?) -- news, rumors, etc.
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I have been disappointed by the nuTrek films, though.
The films seem really "small" for twenty-first century sci-fi adventure films. Trek '09 provided a nice introduction to the new versions of the old crew, but the two follow-up films were let-downs.
Paramount seems to be in a bit of a Catch-22 with the Star Trek movies. The franchise isn't a huge rainmaker for the studio, so they don't want to budget for anything too big, but on the other hand, unless they go "big" they just aren't going to capture the mainstream audiences who want a bunch of badass shit like big space battles and monsters and intrigue. But they don't want to budget for anything huge that will attract mainstream asses into theater seats... "Yeah, man, I know it's "Star Trek," but this movie was fucking badass!"... so they get caught in a cycle of diminishing returns.
Which does make me think of Star Trek V, and how Paramount slashed the budget and they had to make a smaller film than they wanted to, which led to underwhelming box office.
One direction I think they should have gone with the Kelvinverse is to look to Marvel Comics. Treat the Kelvinverse like Marvel's What If? comics... What if Kirk and Spock faced off against the Borg? What if the Klingons had found the Botany Bay and Khan? What if the Doomsday Machine came to Earth? And then turn them into big, crazy action films. Could that have drawn more mainstream moviegoers to the theater than weepy crypto-Khan and Idris Elba in turtle make-up?
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I don’t mind The Final Frontier either. It’s got a lot of problems and is easily the weakest of the original crew movies, but I sort of think it gets a bad wrap.
I like two of the three Kelvin films. Into Darkness is the one I’m not much of a fan of but I can still watch it if it’s on or if I want to marathon the three films.
I like two of the three Kelvin films. Into Darkness is the one I’m not much of a fan of but I can still watch it if it’s on or if I want to marathon the three films.
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One direction I think they should have gone with the Kelvinverse is to look to Marvel Comics. Treat the Kelvinverse like Marvel's What If? comics... What if Kirk and Spock faced off against the Borg? What if the Klingons had found the Botany Bay and Khan? What if the Doomsday Machine came to Earth? And then turn them into big, crazy action films. Could that have drawn more mainstream moviegoers to the theater than weepy crypto-Khan and Idris Elba in turtle make-up?
And yes, The Final Frontier is very problematic but it still has some great character moments with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. It was just too ambitious for it's own good "The Enterprise finds God and KIrk tells him what to go do with himself!".
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(For reference, I DID like Into Darkness and I actually think Wrath of Khan is just OK, barring the wonderful eulogy scene)
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To me Into Darkness had the problem of trying to be clever by hiding Benedict Cumberbatch play Khan when most fans guessed it beforehand.
Also there wasn’t as much impact to Kirk’s “death” and Spock’s reaction because there wasn’t the history there like with the original characters.
That and it was a big dumb action film that tried to be clever with messaging but really wasn’t.
Also there wasn’t as much impact to Kirk’s “death” and Spock’s reaction because there wasn’t the history there like with the original characters.
That and it was a big dumb action film that tried to be clever with messaging but really wasn’t.
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I’ve only seen Beyond once but aside from the silly dirt bike plot device, I remember enjoying it quite a bit. I really should revisit it.
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When I saw Into Darkness in the theater during the Khan reveal an audience member shouted out "no shit" in a bored voice. Only entertaining part of the entire film.
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I've seen Beyond multiple times since buying the Bluray. I like how it's different from the first to Kelvin films in that they both seemed so intent on doing callbacks to the original series without forging their own path. Beyond moved ahead, while still managing to tie in the past by having an ENT era character as the antagonist.
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And, when they're only going to be able to make a handful of these films, it was a dumb thing to build a movie around. And especially a Khan movie. I just found the whole thing to be a big yawn. Khan as Osama bin Laden is kind of ridiculous when you think about it...
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Yeah, that was a big part of it. Ultimately, Into Darkness just felt too much like warmed over leftovers. The Khan stuff and the reversal of “deaths” really had a “been there, done that” feel to it.
I’ve only seen Beyond once but aside from the silly dirt bike plot device, I remember enjoying it quite a bit. I really should revisit it.
I’ve only seen Beyond once but aside from the silly dirt bike plot device, I remember enjoying it quite a bit. I really should revisit it.
I really liked Beyond, though I think I blocked out that dirt bike sequence. I thought there were character moments, specifically between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy that made it a good Star Trek movie.
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I loved the fact that it had Carol Marcus, but then her character was wasted.
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Why Paramount’s ‘Star Trek’ Sequel Reveal Surprised Its Own Stars
Sources say that most, if not all, rep teams for the franchise’s primary talent were not aware that an announcement for another film was coming, much less that their clients would be touted as a part of the deal during a Wall Street event.
BY BORYS KIT, MIA GALUPPO
FEBRUARY 22, 2022 2:38PM
On Feb. 15, Paramount (nee ViacomCBS) announced that it would boldly go where it hasn’t managed to go before — a fourth iteration in a stalled 21st century feature strategy for the Star Trek franchise. During the Paramount investor day, producer J.J. Abrams — who rebooted the sci-fi franchise for the big screen in 2009 — revealed that the USS Enterprise was being readied for a new flight. “We are thrilled to say that we are hard at work on a new Star Trek film that will be shooting by the end of the year that will be featuring our original cast,” Abrams said.
The proclamation came as a surprise, not just to observers who have been watching the movie studio haltingly try to revive Trek on the big screen for years but to the actors and their representatives as well.
Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that most, if not all, teams for the franchise’s primary players — who include Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Simon Pegg, Karl Urban, Zoe Saldaña and John Cho — were not aware that an announcement for another film was coming, much less that their clients would be touted as a part of the deal, and certainly not that their clients would be shooting a movie by year’s end. Insiders say that Pine, who plays Captain Kirk, is the first to enter into early negotiations as he is the lynchpin to the project.
The hope is to begin filming in the fall in order to make the Dec. 22, 2023, theatrical release. The script is still being worked on, according to sources, and there is no green light or budget in place. In fact, the budget will now likely have to account for talent deals that may be supersized. Industry insiders say that Paramount let go of negotiating leverage in order to have a key chess piece as it courts Wall Street investors.
Star Trek, of course, has been a backbone of the company’s streaming strategy. Live-action series Discovery and Picard, as well as adult animated series Lower Decks and Nickelodeon’s Prodigy, are all cruising on warp speed, while the universe itself will continue to expand under the watchful eye of Alex Kurtzman, whose rich pact runs through 2026.
But the feature strategy had come to a standstill. An initial plan for a fourth Star Trek fell apart in 2018. Talks with stars Pine and Chris Hemsworth — who would have played Captain Kirk’s father in a reprisal of his small role in the 2009 franchise-starter — dissolved over money, with the studio and finance partner Skydance holding a tough line on budget. At that time, Jim Gianopulos was a scant year into his tenure as the head of the studio, which was still dealing with several big bombs at the box office and needed to reel in spending. The Star Trek franchise was one of diminishing returns, with the third movie, Star Trek Beyond, grossing only $343 million worldwide on a budget of $190 million, the lowest box office receipts of the three films.
The studio had three Star Trek features in development, including ideas from Quentin Tarantino and Noah Hawley that would follow different crews and timelines. As the then-Motion Picture Group president Emma Watts took account of the studio slate, Hawley’s Star Trek was nixed. Tarantino’s never materialized. The remaining holdover from this time was the fourth outing featuring the Abrams cast, which now has WandaVision director Matt Shakman set to direct.
Compared to 2018, when Star Trek 4 was last attempted, Paramount Pictures is now in a much different place. The studio has undergone an executive reshuffle, with Brian Robbins at the helm. The movie studio is also being called upon to help supply a streaming service that is looking to build its subscribership to between 65 million and 75 million by 2024.
Industry sources note that streaming growth has slowed domestically across the board and it is now the international side that is the focus, hence companies such as Netflix focusing so much on global content. Trek is a franchise that has underlying goods — sci-fi storylines, diverse cast — to travel around the globe.
And what seemed expensive in 2018 is now, in world where Netflix or Apple is making $30 million-plus talent deals, a norm. To reignite a flagging franchise during a companywide reboot that puts an emphasis on investor-friendly streaming, it’s a price that Paramount might be willing to pay.
Sources say that most, if not all, rep teams for the franchise’s primary talent were not aware that an announcement for another film was coming, much less that their clients would be touted as a part of the deal during a Wall Street event.
BY BORYS KIT, MIA GALUPPO
FEBRUARY 22, 2022 2:38PM
On Feb. 15, Paramount (nee ViacomCBS) announced that it would boldly go where it hasn’t managed to go before — a fourth iteration in a stalled 21st century feature strategy for the Star Trek franchise. During the Paramount investor day, producer J.J. Abrams — who rebooted the sci-fi franchise for the big screen in 2009 — revealed that the USS Enterprise was being readied for a new flight. “We are thrilled to say that we are hard at work on a new Star Trek film that will be shooting by the end of the year that will be featuring our original cast,” Abrams said.
The proclamation came as a surprise, not just to observers who have been watching the movie studio haltingly try to revive Trek on the big screen for years but to the actors and their representatives as well.
Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that most, if not all, teams for the franchise’s primary players — who include Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Simon Pegg, Karl Urban, Zoe Saldaña and John Cho — were not aware that an announcement for another film was coming, much less that their clients would be touted as a part of the deal, and certainly not that their clients would be shooting a movie by year’s end. Insiders say that Pine, who plays Captain Kirk, is the first to enter into early negotiations as he is the lynchpin to the project.
The hope is to begin filming in the fall in order to make the Dec. 22, 2023, theatrical release. The script is still being worked on, according to sources, and there is no green light or budget in place. In fact, the budget will now likely have to account for talent deals that may be supersized. Industry insiders say that Paramount let go of negotiating leverage in order to have a key chess piece as it courts Wall Street investors.
Star Trek, of course, has been a backbone of the company’s streaming strategy. Live-action series Discovery and Picard, as well as adult animated series Lower Decks and Nickelodeon’s Prodigy, are all cruising on warp speed, while the universe itself will continue to expand under the watchful eye of Alex Kurtzman, whose rich pact runs through 2026.
But the feature strategy had come to a standstill. An initial plan for a fourth Star Trek fell apart in 2018. Talks with stars Pine and Chris Hemsworth — who would have played Captain Kirk’s father in a reprisal of his small role in the 2009 franchise-starter — dissolved over money, with the studio and finance partner Skydance holding a tough line on budget. At that time, Jim Gianopulos was a scant year into his tenure as the head of the studio, which was still dealing with several big bombs at the box office and needed to reel in spending. The Star Trek franchise was one of diminishing returns, with the third movie, Star Trek Beyond, grossing only $343 million worldwide on a budget of $190 million, the lowest box office receipts of the three films.
The studio had three Star Trek features in development, including ideas from Quentin Tarantino and Noah Hawley that would follow different crews and timelines. As the then-Motion Picture Group president Emma Watts took account of the studio slate, Hawley’s Star Trek was nixed. Tarantino’s never materialized. The remaining holdover from this time was the fourth outing featuring the Abrams cast, which now has WandaVision director Matt Shakman set to direct.
Compared to 2018, when Star Trek 4 was last attempted, Paramount Pictures is now in a much different place. The studio has undergone an executive reshuffle, with Brian Robbins at the helm. The movie studio is also being called upon to help supply a streaming service that is looking to build its subscribership to between 65 million and 75 million by 2024.
Industry sources note that streaming growth has slowed domestically across the board and it is now the international side that is the focus, hence companies such as Netflix focusing so much on global content. Trek is a franchise that has underlying goods — sci-fi storylines, diverse cast — to travel around the globe.
And what seemed expensive in 2018 is now, in world where Netflix or Apple is making $30 million-plus talent deals, a norm. To reignite a flagging franchise during a companywide reboot that puts an emphasis on investor-friendly streaming, it’s a price that Paramount might be willing to pay.
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I wonder if Paramount is trying to get the cast back for a single film only or if they’re wanting to sign the cast to multi film deals or at least the option for multiple films if this does well enough.
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Much like Disney with Star Wars, Paramount is going to milk the Trek franchise for all it's worth.
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Shakman is now out because he’s the top candidate to direct Fantastic Four
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So none of the cast really knows whats going on with this, nor were they told about the announcement a few months back, and now it loses a director. Yea, this isn't happening any time soon.
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That sucks. It seems like this fourth modern film is doomed to be stuck in development hell. Whenever something starts to happen with it someone backs out or they decide to go another direction.