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Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread — SPOILERS

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Old 01-07-16 | 09:35 PM
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
How exactly did Kenobi present himself? He was a hermit on a desert planet watching over Luke from a distance. That's it. It's never mentioned how long he had been there. It could be 18 years or it could be 3. Lucas never provided that information. In other words, there is nothing to retcon.
It may not be specifically noted in the films, but it WAS the case, per Wookiepedia that "Kenobi confronted Skywalker... emerged the victor, gravely wounding Vader and remorsefully leaving him for dead. Kenobi then went into exile on Tatooine, taking Vader's newborn son, Luke Skywalker, to live on the planet with his aunt and uncle, Beru and Owen Lars."

In the Expanded Universe, he took Luke to Tatooine and stayed there.
Old 01-07-16 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
I wasn't talking talking about friendship. I pretty much expected they knew he was either a dead man or would turn if he faced his father without being trained.
I was broadly agreeing with you, after this suggestion:
Originally Posted by coli
..Yoda/Obiwan were still very rigid and set in their ways in ESB when they were talking with Luke. When Luke is leaving Dagobah to help Han/Leia, Yoda/Obiwan still didn't get it as to why he wanted to help his friends instead of finishing his training.

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Old 01-07-16 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Banjo
Crap, you're right. Thanks.
Not sure how I feel about that, though. I'd much rather see a cool McGregor/Kenobi story set btwn III and IV than see a re-casted Han Solo.
I wonder if Disney would ever consider casting the same actor as young Solo and rebooted Indiana Jones...? There'd be no reason to, but it would be interesting.
Old 01-07-16 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ntnon
It may not be specifically noted in the films, but it WAS the case, per Wookiepedia that "Kenobi confronted Skywalker... emerged the victor, gravely wounding Vader and remorsefully leaving him for dead. Kenobi then went into exile on Tatooine, taking Vader's newborn son, Luke Skywalker, to live on the planet with his aunt and uncle, Beru and Owen Lars."

In the Expanded Universe, he took Luke to Tatooine and stayed there.
Oh, my bad...if Wookiepedia says so then who am I to question it?
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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Why? The whole original and prequel trilogy has been the story of the Skywalkers over the years.
Because we've already done "secret parent" in this series. And as the rest of this thread demonstrates, working out some weird parentage for Rey just sounds so stupid. I see no reason that she couldn't have some connection to Luke, but I hope it's not as obvious as "she's his daughter" or "she's Kenobi's granddaughter."
Old 01-08-16 | 12:18 AM
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It's interesting that we've come to expect this now, the big secret family reveal. It doesn't occur to us that there would be anything otherwise after ESB. That said, they sure are teasing us along. There's several moments where Rey could've just said a sentence or two extra and didn't:

"Where are you from? ...Classified, really? Me, too. Big secret. Eh, not really. My parents dropped me off when I was six years old after they were appointed to lead the Senate. Had to hide me from a man named Snoke, have you heard of him?"

"For my family. They'll be back. Some day. Luke, mother, my older brother. They'll all be back when it's safe for me to be with them again."

"You have a family? Boyfriend? A cute boyfriend?"
"None of your business! But for your information, yes, I'm Rey Kenobi and I'm waiting for my mother, Sintar Kenobi, to come back for me. I wasn't living in that junk yard, as you put it, I was hiding. Now, hand me that thing before the poisonous gas kills us! No. No. No. The one I'm pointing to..."

I guess JJ and Larry just couldn't give us that extra line of dialogue...

You know, all kidding aside, there's one very real possibility about Rey's origin:

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She could simply be a native of Jakku. Her family left her as part of payment for the ship to leave. Like Anakin was Watto's slave, Rey was Unkar Plutt's slave.


That possibility strikes me as a very sad childhood.

Another thing we haven't really talked about much in this thread:

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Is Lor San Tekka, Max Von Sydow's character, someone sent to look over Rey in some fashion, like Obi-Wan Kenobi for Luke on Tatooine? There was speculation before the film came out but afterward, not so much. He definitely knows who Kylo Ren really is, and he's connected to Leia personally, and I do still wonder if he's connected to Rey (or a Jedi, for that matter).


This is the last time I'm using spoiler tags here. Folks, it's the box office champ. If you haven't seen it by now, you shouldn't be in the thread.
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Wait. Speaking of Max Von Sydow, holy FUCK that was an unexpectedly small role for such a huge actor. Cool character, but remember when people were speculating he would be a high ranking villain or some shit.

Also, nobody else is talking about Ken Leung being a Resistence commander. Sang from Rush Hour. The dude who ran a scam with Uncle Jun in that one episode of The Sopranos. Come on...
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Originally Posted by story

You know, all kidding aside, there's one very real possibility about Rey's origin:

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She could simply be a native of Jakku. Her family left her as part of payment for the ship to leave. Like Anakin was Watto's slave, Rey was Unkar Plutt's slave.


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I have thought about this theory simply because it opens up the possibility of Episodes 10,11,12 as you essentially have a new family that is powerful with the force to develop and explore.

Then the ST would essentially be a reboot with a whole new family that is taking over in a GFFA and the OT heroes are truly passing the torch to Rey's Family. Maybe Rey has a powerful brother, sister, cousins we meet in the Episodes 8 & 9 or in Episodes 10,11,12? What about her parents? By limiting her to another Skywalker/Solo/Kenobi, you essentially ending the story with Episode 9, IMO.
Old 01-08-16 | 06:20 AM
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread

Rey's father is obviously John Harrison.
Old 01-08-16 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bluetoast
Wait. Speaking of Max Von Sydow, holy FUCK that was an unexpectedly small role for such a huge actor. Cool character, but remember when people were speculating he would be a high ranking villain or some shit.

Also, nobody else is talking about Ken Leung being a Resistence commander. Sang from Rush Hour. The dude who ran a scam with Uncle Jun in that one episode of The Sopranos. Come on...
Yeah. I noticed him in there too. But he's always been a bit of small time character actor or whatever.

No biggie. Was fun to see him though cuz he was in RH and Red Dragon and other things.
Old 01-08-16 | 06:54 AM
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Yeah, I was about to specifically mention you in my post due to RH.
Old 01-08-16 | 07:17 AM
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I actually do enjoy seeing him in things. He just stands out in a good way. He has a more unique look than normal asian guy.
Old 01-08-16 | 07:50 AM
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Yeah. I noticed him in there too. But he's always been a bit of small time character actor or whatever.

No biggie. Was fun to see him though cuz he was in RH and Red Dragon and other things.
I just noticed him because he was a LOST regular.
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I wouldn't know. Never really watched that show.
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I just noticed him because he was a LOST regular.
Yup, my first thought was "Oh, there's Miles"
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There will be unmarked spoilers in this review, so read at your own risk.

This is easily the best Star Wars movie since TESB. I have seen it three times now. The scene where Kylo Ren throws a tantrum while two stormtroopers are walking by and give each other a "um nope" look and turn around and walk away makes me laugh every time I see it. So does the scene with Chewie being cold. This is the kind of humor that belongs in Star Wars. Not the lame attempts at humor in the PT with Jar Jar and the roger-roger battle droids.

The one big complaint I have is that we never got to see Luke, Han, and Leia all together again for one final time. The final scene with Luke and Rey meeting and the sad face on Luke and Rey holding out his lightsaber makes me tear up every time. I actually find that scene to be a lot more emotional than Han's death strangely enough.

I have been reading various theories on the internet about how Rey is either Luke's daughter or Obi-Wan's granddaughter. One thing I have not read is what if she is both. Why does it have to be either/or? After ROTJ, Luke would have been searching for Force-sensitive people to train. He finds a Force-sensitive woman and discovers that she is the daughter which Obi-Wan never knew he had. They fall in love and have a baby: Rey. That would make Rey both a Skywalker and a Kenobi.
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Well, both old Obi and young Obi spoke to her in the lightsaber sequence and Luke didn't.
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That Chewie scene explains why he didn't accompany Han Solo out on Hoth when he went looking for Luke--he doesn't like to be cold!

I was surprised people were negative on some of the humor like that scene with the stormtroopers running. The original film is filled with moments along those lines, like Chewie growling at the little droid and having it turn tail. (And how about the dark humor of C3PO thinking that they're all getting crushed in the garbage compactor when their screams are in celebration, not agony.)
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Well, both old Obi and young Obi spoke to her in the lightsaber sequence and Luke didn't.
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She did see him putting his robot hand on R2.
Old 01-08-16 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisedge
Well, both old Obi and young Obi spoke to her in the lightsaber sequence and Luke didn't.
Yoda also speaks during that scene. Is she related to him too?
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Seriously, what is with the use of spoiler tags?
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Well, both old Obi and young Obi spoke to her in the lightsaber sequence and Luke didn't.
That's the one scene I would like to watch/listen to a couple more times. Between all the different voices and the disjointed imagery (including Luke's metal hand on R2) it all went by to quickly.
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Seriously, what is with the use of spoiler tags?
Agreed. It's been 3 weeks. Anyone coming in here without having seen the movie at this point should do so at their own risk.
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Oh yeah forgot to mention: when I saw this with my friend, she went to the bathroom during the part where it was revealed Han Solo was Kylo Ren's father. When I said what she missed, she thought I was joking.

But I had previously convinced her that Chris Pratt would cameo in Magix Mike XXL (I edited a news report a year in advance, and kept up the ruse for a year), and she was waiting for it the entire movie. So I guess she was justified.

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Agreed. It's been 3 weeks. Anyone coming in here without having seen the movie at this point should do so at their own risk.
Its a review thread. Spoilers should have been OK from the get go. Same goes for speculation posts. The spoiler tags are making this thread far harder to navigate then it really should be. Sorry if I re-post something that was posted pages ago, but with the spoiler tagged posts almost every page I'm not going to go through the whole batch of preceding pages.


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