How Fox Can Salvage The Fantastic Four - Financially
08-08-15, 05:50 PM
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I think Fox was in a better position to deal a year or so ago. If I am Marvel right now I'm thinking they will just let the rights revert back, which is what happened to Daredevil and Electra. After this one, it's going to be hard for Fox to justify making another FF movie just to keep the rights. They will try and get something though I'm sure.
08-08-15, 06:08 PM
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08-08-15, 06:17 PM
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Disney/Marvel have so many other films coming out they should just let the rights revert back and hope that in that time the stench of this film has worn off and people have forgotten it.
08-08-15, 07:31 PM
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Re: How Fox Can Salvage The Fantastic Four - Financially
Deadpool will be fine. No one cares if it's Ryan Reynolds or a scarecrow behind the suit, as long as someone does some pithy one-liners and there's a bunch of violence. It will open far higher than Fantastic Four, period, regardless of the R rating.
I am 100% confident in that assertion.
I am 100% confident in that assertion.
08-08-15, 08:21 PM
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08-08-15, 08:32 PM
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Re: How Fox Can Salvage The Fantastic Four - Financially
Honestly, this is one of the worst cases of mishandling a big budget movie in a long time. The behind the scenes stuff is far more interesting than the movie. This movie deserves a, "The Death of Superman Lives," type documentary.
08-09-15, 12:10 AM
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Well, if it opens at $20 million, Deadpool might actually win this one...damn.
And there is zero reason for Marvel to talk with Fox now. Fox blew them off and really, Marvel should just let Fox continue holding onto it until the contract is up. After two big blow ups, there's no reason for Fox to come out with another FF. They should just focus on X-Men and X-Men alone and hope that's enough to keep them afloat. You just better hope that if Jackman (who I don't even like) and Lawrence leaves, Tatum and Reynolds is enough to hold it afloat.
And it's not like Marvel needs FF. They have a huge pile of characters and only turn out what, 2-3 movies a year? With Spider-Man back, that's a huge pile of villains anyways. They wouldn't need FF until 2025 at earliest.
And there is zero reason for Marvel to talk with Fox now. Fox blew them off and really, Marvel should just let Fox continue holding onto it until the contract is up. After two big blow ups, there's no reason for Fox to come out with another FF. They should just focus on X-Men and X-Men alone and hope that's enough to keep them afloat. You just better hope that if Jackman (who I don't even like) and Lawrence leaves, Tatum and Reynolds is enough to hold it afloat.
And it's not like Marvel needs FF. They have a huge pile of characters and only turn out what, 2-3 movies a year? With Spider-Man back, that's a huge pile of villains anyways. They wouldn't need FF until 2025 at earliest.
08-09-15, 12:53 AM
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But it is nice if they can name drop elements from FF. Mention the Baxter building, Latveria, etc. Dr Doom doesn't have to just be a FF villain. They could even have cameos from FF members without doing a FF film. Reed Richards is one of the top scientists. No reason he can't cameo in a film before he become Mr Fantastic. Would also give the MCU a place were tech comes out of and not have everything be Stark Tech.
08-09-15, 07:03 AM
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Re: How Fox Can Salvage The Fantastic Four - Financially
The deal isn't "Fox can make X-Men/Fantastic Four movies for ten years" or something with a definitive end date. Fox is obligated to have at least one X-Men or Fantastic Four movie in active production every 7 years (or something like that) or the film rights for those characters revert back to Marvel. That's why filming for FF had to start last year. As long as Fox keeps churning 'em out, though, they could keep doing this for decades.
08-09-15, 09:20 AM
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Marvel doesn't technically have Spider-Man back. Sony still own the movie rights. They are just working cooperatively with Marvel now, but they can most likely renege on the deal if they decide to do so. Most likely they probably only currently have a deal for Civil War and the solo Spidey movie in 2017. If those are a bust, then Sony can and probably will renege instead of continuing to work with Marvel.
08-09-15, 09:21 AM
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So Josh Trank was trying to make The Chronicle Four, and Fox was trying their best to screw it up.
Honestly, this is one of the worst cases of mishandling a big budget movie in a long time. The behind the scenes stuff is far more interesting than the movie. This movie deserves a, "The Death of Superman Lives," type documentary.
Honestly, this is one of the worst cases of mishandling a big budget movie in a long time. The behind the scenes stuff is far more interesting than the movie. This movie deserves a, "The Death of Superman Lives," type documentary.
08-09-15, 11:43 AM
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Marvel doesn't technically have Spider-Man back. Sony still own the movie rights. They are just working cooperatively with Marvel now, but they can most likely renege on the deal if they decide to do so. Most likely they probably only currently have a deal for Civil War and the solo Spidey movie in 2017. If those are a bust, then Sony can and probably will renege instead of continuing to work with Marvel.
08-09-15, 11:45 AM
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That's the thing, though. As long as Fox keeps making movies, they have the rights to massive swathes of Marvel's characters locked up for as long as they want.
The deal isn't "Fox can make X-Men/Fantastic Four movies for ten years" or something with a definitive end date. Fox is obligated to have at least one X-Men or Fantastic Four movie in active production every 7 years (or something like that) or the film rights for those characters revert back to Marvel. That's why filming for FF had to start last year. As long as Fox keeps churning 'em out, though, they could keep doing this for decades.
The deal isn't "Fox can make X-Men/Fantastic Four movies for ten years" or something with a definitive end date. Fox is obligated to have at least one X-Men or Fantastic Four movie in active production every 7 years (or something like that) or the film rights for those characters revert back to Marvel. That's why filming for FF had to start last year. As long as Fox keeps churning 'em out, though, they could keep doing this for decades.
08-09-15, 12:26 PM
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According to The Daily Superhero, Fox is looking to swap out Fantastic Four 2 with Deadpool 2, which they’re hoping to fast-track. If the studio moves ahead with this, that means the Merc with a Mouth’s sequel will hit on June 9th, 2017, which is when the Fantastic Four follow-up was originally scheduled. It also means that the sequel would be releasing only 16 months after the first film, which may mean we get a final product that’s rushed and sloppily put together.
08-09-15, 12:31 PM
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"Fuck, our fast-tracked movie was hated by everybody. Fast-track our next promising franchise to get us out of this mess!"
08-09-15, 01:19 PM
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“The confluence of clearly the decidedly negative reviews with the combination of social media did not help the cause,” said Fox distribution chief Chris Aronson.
He was not willing to write off the “Fantastic Four” series yet, but stressed that the studio would be engaged in a rigorous postmortem about the film’s failure. The foursome’s future might be as supporting players in other comicbook characters’ movies.
“We have a lot to look forward to in our comicbook character universe,” said Aronson. “We may find different ways to feature these characters in the future, but it’s early and we’ll have to see what form that takes.”
He was not willing to write off the “Fantastic Four” series yet, but stressed that the studio would be engaged in a rigorous postmortem about the film’s failure. The foursome’s future might be as supporting players in other comicbook characters’ movies.
“We have a lot to look forward to in our comicbook character universe,” said Aronson. “We may find different ways to feature these characters in the future, but it’s early and we’ll have to see what form that takes.”
08-09-15, 01:22 PM
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Due to the film's box office, Marvel will probably ask for the rights back or Fox won't get their X-Men television show.
08-09-15, 01:27 PM
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Someone was commenting on another board saying Marvel/Disney should push to get the rights back saying Fox it making the brand toxic. IDK if thats even possible but would be a great fight.
08-09-15, 02:02 PM
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I've said this before, but people aren't being realistic if they believe Marvel will ever get any form of rights to the Fantastic Four or X-Men back. Sony merely licensed Spider-Man back to Disney/Marvel because that studio is the walking dead and has massive corporate problems. Fox will simply reboot the Fantastic Four again.
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08-09-15, 02:08 PM
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I've said this before, but people aren't being realistic if they believe Marvel will ever get any form of rights to the Fantastic Four or X-Men back. Sony merely licensed the character back to Disney/Marvel because that studio is the walking dead and has massive corporate problems. Fox will simply reboot the Fantastic Four again.
08-09-15, 02:15 PM
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I think the hardcore movie audience is savvy enough to realize that this FF was rushed into production so they could retain rights as cheaply as possible. If the studio had shown an ounce of respect with a bigger budget and the right stars, FF would have never had these problems.
08-09-15, 02:17 PM
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I've said this before, but people aren't being realistic if they believe Marvel will ever get any form of rights to the Fantastic Four or X-Men back. Sony merely licensed Spider-Man back to Disney/Marvel because that studio is the walking dead and has massive corporate problems. Fox will simply reboot the Fantastic Four again.
08-09-15, 02:39 PM
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I'm sure a few years ago, the same thing was said about Daredevil or Ghost Rider, regardless of how popular/unpopular those properties were. Fox could still have the rights to Daredevil, yet even with a movie essentially lined up, they decide to not go forward. At this point, it isn't worth the effort to dump millions of dollars into another F4 movie.