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Mike86

Draven

stvn1974

Speaking of pointless and stupid...how about that The Last Jedi movie?

The Prequels are awful films but The Last Jedi only exists so that the Holiday Special isn't the worst thing Star Wars related.

Mike86

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stvn1974

There are a few plot problems with the Prequels and yes the acting is horrid in several places but they don't ruin the OT if watched as a six film series. The Sequel Trilogy (so far) does however ruin the OT if watched as a six films, skipping the prequels, or as an eight film saga. I am still hopeful that Abrams can salvage it all.

Also at this point you can't even discuss what you don't like about the Sequel Trilogy, TLJ in particular, because you just get the same responses that make no sense along the lines of "well, Yoda and Obi-Wan ran away and hid" so just doing a drive by with smart ass comments will have to do for now. It is also funny how the same TLJ defenders sure are fast to point out how awful the Prequels are though.

Mike86

Josh-da-man

Yeah, the nuts and bolts of the prequel trilogy are solid, it just fails in the execution: over-reliance on CGI makes it look a video game, some atrocious acting, Jar-Jar Binks, Anakin as an eight year-old, cringey dialog.

Lucas should have stuck with producing the PT and let others write and direct it while he oversaw it.

kefrank

Which nuts and bolts are solid exactly? It's poorly-written, poorly-acted, poorly-directed and feels like it takes place in a different aesthetic universe than the original trilogy. It's hard for me to identify any elements that are solid.

kefrank

Yeah, you're right, TLJ haters never do a drive by with smart ass comments and always engage in thoughtful, good faith discussion.
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kefrank

Draven

I do love how all the "shiny" tech of the Prequels goes completely in the shithouse in less than 20 years.

Want an exercise in insanity? Count how many times Anakin calls Kenobi "Master" in ROTS. It'll drive you crazy. God those movies are so bad.

Mike86

Draven

There are scenes where he says it multiple time back to back. It's so stupid and poorly written. That and Anakin's constant "m'lady"'s to Padme are the worst

Mike86

Draven

Eh, I used to think ROTS was the best of the three, just rewatched it recently and it's far worse than I remembered. Everything with Palpatine is ridiculous, old men leaping around fighting with lightsabers looks stupid and Grevious is laughable at best. McGregor's Kenobi is the only worthwhile thing in that movie. Thank goodness he's getting a series - he's the only worthwhile thing to come out of the prequels.

Ranger

Palpatine was the best part of the PT.

Maybe he can save the ST.

Draven

I think bringing him back is the worst thing they can do with a trilogy I have thoroughly enjoyed. He's so over the top in the PT - I was reminded how stupid it looked when he somehow lightninged himself into old age

Brack

tanman

But that's exactly my point. It never got that far in development and is a good example of the difference between what's going on at Lucasfilm and Marvel. They are very similar situations but one ended up in a possible loss of profits and overall disappointment with it's sequel (presumably) canned and the other a surprise hit spawning at least one sequel and 3 other appearances for the character.

You're absolutely right about Marvel. They have had more time. There wasn't much of a connection in the beginning, but I argue that that is more because they weren't sure about their success and following movies rather than lack of planning on their part. But that's all the more reason to find it absolutely baffling that they didn't plan out the story for the trilogy that they were tasked in creating. Feige and the Marvel camp, even though it was LESS critical for their movies to connect since they still pretty much stand on their own, still managed to connect all the movies together with just a little bit of planning and one or two added scenes. Meanwhile at Lucasfilm they can't even plan out three movies to have a coherent story. Now I will not pass final judgement until the last movie comes out, because like the OT it could still work out with little planning. However, as it stands now it seems like they are just making up each movie as it comes along with different directors trying to put their own stamp on things and the story is (IMHO) suffering because of it.

I think your point about a condensed timeline does point a lot of the blame on Disney as well as it seems they are the ones who mandated the whole one Star Wars movie a year thing.

tanman

I really think you explained how I feel about it. The PT didn't "ruin" the OT. I'll hold off how I feel on the ST until RoS. I'm still hopefully optimistic. I can't believe it's only 3 months away.

Jay G.

Yes, because Marvel wasn't under a "1 film per year" mandate, and had a deep well of possible characters to pull from, not to mention producing sequels of characters already with movies. As Edgar Write notes in this timeline of Ant-Man production, Ant-Man “isn’t one of [Marvel’s] biggest properties, it’s not like a tentpole deadline.” Marvel had a bit more wiggle room to figure things out in pre-production, instead of Lucasfilm's situation where they had to greenlight a lot of films fast, and hope for the best. Still, they did eventually fire Edgar Wright specifically because his "different spin" turned out to be too different from what they wanted or expected, and couldn't reconcile the differences even after 8 years.

I'm not sure I'd call Ant-Man a "surprise hit," since it's the 3rd lowest grossing MCU film, at least domestically. Worldwide its... 4th lowest grossing. Solo actually performed better than Ant-Man domestically. What probably saved Ant-Man is that it had nice foriegn revenue, and Marvel saw potential with the character and cross-over capabilities.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franch...d=avengers.htm

I really find if baffling that people think that planning out the story before filming would've meant a trilogy they liked better, especially before they even see the conclusion. Lucas was crafting the story for the OT and the PT on the fly as the OT was being produced (the PT story was the backstory in OT). There's lots of inconsistencies in the OT films, and what we know now as a lot of retconning of plot points and characters in later films from what was originally "planned" or conceived. However, the whole came together well enough that people overlook the flaws. Meanwhile, the PT had the basic story handed to it pre-planned based on the development during the OT, and it was a trash fire.

Say they did plan the ST ahead of time. Who's to say they wouldn't have brought in Rian Johnson for that planning, and he lays out an Ep 8 storyline that's largely the same as TLJ, and Lucasfilm love it, and since he's not busy filming, have Rian craft Ep 9 as well. Now, maybe Ep 7's story gets tweaked, but if RJ/Lucasfilm like the Snoke/Rey's parents twists enough they maybe just keep them as "mysteries" in Ep 7. So in this "plan ahead" scenario, Lucasfilm is committed to Ep 9 following RJ's vision. Would that be preferable to you?

And you don't think adding a scene or two of very loose connectivity is much easier than crafting a movie trilogy? Hell, the most MCU has done is a two-parter.

Draven

Look, no one got out of the Prequels completely intact