tanman

Oh cool, I really need to read that series. I don't think they are distancing themselves from the EU. I think people mistake Disney's motivation for making the EU nonCanon. They just wanted to start a clean slate since for them to recognize the EU and then try to plan a new trilogy without stepping on some kind of EU plot landmine would be cumbersome They weren't saying the EU is trash or that they would never use elements from the EU. They just wanted to make the ST unemcumbered.

Cellar Door

Yo, 3PO looks blazed, dude. He been hittin' that space ganja.

Ranger

Re: Darth Rey

I like the dream theory. Makes sense.

I was thinking about the Jedi Academy books. The spirit of Darth Exar possesses Kjedi student Kyp. IIRC, Darth Exar was the first Star Wars character to have a double blade lightsaber.

Thrawn trilogy did have Luke fighting a clone of himself.

Also from the Jedi Academy books IIRC, Kyp goes to a Magic Tree-like area and sees a dark figure of himself but doesn't attack it. He just fearlessly stared at it until it disappeared. I think Yoda would call that passing "the cave test.."

I should check out Dark Empire.

Artman

This trilogy managed to both rely on nostalgia too much, and leave no one satisfied in the way they did it. TLJ is a very watchable film, it's just such a terrible 2nd act of a trilogy - because it could be summed up in it's own opening crawl "the resistance has found a new base on the remote planet of...." It didn't move the narrative for the new story or characters - as evidenced by two of them meeting for the first time at the end of the film. And we don't really care about the story going into this last chapter... it might in fact be very cool, but we'll be left wishing it would've covered two episodes, instead of being crammed into one.

While some of the new shots looked cool...I just kept asking myself..."will I even care?" One hundred star destroyers lined up in a row just isn't impressive....a goofy looking lightsaber isn't impressive.

Draven

kefrank

+1

If there's one thing the internet is good at it's breeding irrational, preemptive outrage about trivial things.

candyrocket786

I bet its Creepio.

K&AJones

The "Clone Theory" is picking up steam...another good article over at IGN..... https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08...s-origin-a-lie ….revolves around the infamous "Skywalker Lightsaber" that Luke was using when fighting Vadar in "The Empire Strikes Back"...Vadar cuts off Luke's hand holding the Saber....and then in The Force Awakens, Rey touches the Lightsaber when she opens the box and sees a vision....the theory is now, someone somehow used Luke's hand to do Skywalker Cloning...but who and for Evil or Good?

Shannon Nutt

I saw a theory today that that's not Daisy Ridley with the switchblade lightsaber, but actually Keri Russell.

As for C3-PO, while that could just very well be a reflection of a red lightsaber (or something else), I think the lack of R2-D2 in any footage may indicate that something's happened to the little bucket of bolts and C3-PO isn't happy.

Thoughts?

dex14

Pretty dumb theory considering it is undeniably Daisy Ridley in the shot.

james2025a

That trailer did nothing for me and i hate the fact they lean so much on the original trilogy to get people worked up. Disney has screwed up in putting too much faith in the stories they have crafted so far. Characters that are abysmal and charisma free, motivated by stupidity and calling it emotional resonance, it ends up all feeling like a Mary Celeste of a trilogy, adrift and with no set course to follow. Take Finn for example, a character who started out with potential but who literally done nothing and grown into nothing over the course of two movies. Then take Rey, a character that could have grown and been interesting, and yet by the end of the first movie it seems she is almost a Jedi master without ever receiving any training or even knowing what the hell the Force even is. Looks like are trying to retcon this in Rise of Skywalker, but if they had planned this trilogy to being with then no retconning would need to take place to begin with. Being politically correct and trying to appease every demographic does not help this spectacular cinematic shitfest.

Draven

I certainly hope they don't take a plotline straight out of the EU/comics. Luke's hand being important is such a stupid idea

Mike86

Draven

It sounds like fanwanking to me. It takes an insignificant thing from a previous story and makes it significant. And for the record, as much as I like TFA, the fact that Luke's lightsaber is still out there as a thing and not lost in the clouds of Bespin is equally stupid.

slop101

Dark-Rey being a dream/vision will really piss off the fan-bois, so naturally I'm all for it!

Mike86

melasnus

The most insightful post I have read in a long while.

Draven

Mike86

Mabuse

Mike86

Jay G.

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to remember, but it was Rey who said her parents were nobody. Kylo calls them drunk traders.

I don't think by "nobody," Rey was saying that literally nobody was her parent, but it was a comment on their social status/importance.

This could still work for a clone Rey though. For most people, your parents are the one that raised you. Maybe those drunk traders salvaged a clone pod, and raised the child inside until they got bored/desperate for cash. Rey would consider the drunk traders her parents, even though they weren't from a lineage standpoint. Kylo took advantage of a gap in Rey's knowledge about her origins, and her sentimental attachment to the traders who (temporarily) raised her.

Mike86

Jay G.

Meh, the prequels established that the bulk of Jedi were born to non-Jedi, then discovered by the Jedi Council and raised. The Skywalker lineage is a fluke, and explicitly went against Jedi Council rules. I don't think Sith were prone to producing offspring either,

If they want to tie her into the Skywalker lineage for story purposes that's fine, but it's not necessary to explain her powers.

coli

I think the studios feed the theories with these type of trailers. The ending shot with Rey was purposely put in there to feed the fans speculation almost like a cliffhanger you would get at the end of a TV season. Now it's a smart marketing move because any 'chatter' about movie franchise among the fans is a good thing because it creates interest for fans who may be on the bubble and casual fans who haven't followed any news. But the downside is you get fans speculating about this and that for 4 months because they know the shot is coming somewhere in the movie, we just don't know what the context is? So I agree with that many fans speculate to the point where they want a specific theory to come true, but the studios can't have it both ways because they deliberately want those theories talked about leading up to the movie.