jpcamb

I thought Hugo wrote the 3 movie arc in a time travel episode on lost....

Dan

I agree with this.
I actually liked Rogue One more than TFA, character development flaws and all. Something about TFA (probably the edgelord wannabe Darth Vader villain) just wasn't as interesting to me.

Paul_SD

While we're on this subject, someone kindly explain to me all this character development for Poe, Rey, Kylo Ren, Han Solo, Leia, etc in TFA.

Even Finn's development is basic "he just wants to desert, then changes his mind when Rey is capture and decides to align and fight"
But how is that all that different from Jyn's Rebel without a cause that morphs into Rebel with a cause and purpose? At least it's predicated on something a little different- avenging a family member who is an honestly conflicted hero/villain. Actually, that's not correct as Jyn's father is a real hero, caught between a rock and a hard place. The sacrifices/gestures he makes are fully in keeping with the kinds of things good people are often faced with in war-time.

Timber

Poor Poe certainly got screwed when they got Ford to sign on. We know nothing about his character other than being the best pilot in the fleet.

DaveyJoe

You're right, both movies had poor character development.

Mike86

The thing is I don't think Disney could have done something really edgy or different right off the bat and been as successful. Playing it safe was the right route to go with that film just to revive the franchise in my opinion. The films can go different directions going forward now that fans new and old alike have somewhat of a feel for what's happening. It already looks like The Last Jedi will have a darker tone.

Jay G.

From what I read, Poe was originally supposed to die, and stay dead, in the Tie Fighter crash. Oscar Isaac voiced to JJ Abrams that he was getting frustrated that his characters always die early in movies, so they revised the script so he comes back later in the movie.
http://uproxx.com/movies/star-wars-o...dameron-death/

Mike86

Actually I feel like Poe dying would have added a bit more weight to the story and I don't find his character particularly interesting. Then again maybe we'll get more of him in the sequel.

Rob V

Good point about bringing back the franchise... perhaps not the best timing to kill a bunch of people off. That said, if you just revive ANH and we know TLJ is going to be darker (ie ESB) then it's probably a certainty that Episode IX will be like Jedi mostly --- redemption and heroes prevailing. Just once it'd be great to see the bad guys win in the end and let the struggle continue -- but that will never happen.... and never under Abrams' watch.

Mike86

That's most stories though. People don't like to see the bad guys go out on top most of the time.

Supermallet

Poe dying at the beginning of TFA wouldn't have meant anything.

Poe dying at the end of the trilogy after he and Finn have declared their love for each other and had one night of intense passion will leave us all in tears.

mcnabb

In fairness to Abrams, he had to marry 2 trilogies of characters, so it was tough to really flesh them all out in a 2 hour movie. I know I don't want a bloated 3 hour Lord of the Rings type Star Wars movie just to flesh out more of the characters. The OT is great because they are 2 hour movies that move and don't feel bloated, yet still have time for the little moments. All Abrams had to do was get us on board with the new characters (obviously we were on board with the OT characters) as TLJ will be the movie that should start to flesh them out. We are going to learn more about Rey and what the heck Luke has been up to for the past 30 years. I'm sure they will be exploring more of Kylo Ren, although with Carrie Fisher dying in real life, I'm not sure how that changes the mother/son dynamic?

I honestly don't think you will get too much character development on Finn as he will still be a big part of the trilogy, but play second fiddle to Rey's story. Poe will probably get the short-end of any extended story, although in the TFA Novel it insinuates there is a spark between him and Rey when they meet at the Resistance Base at the end of the movie. Maybe they will play up that love story in Episode 9?

Supermallet

Finn has as much character development in TFA as Han Solo had in A New Hope.

rocket1312

And it's kind of femme. Traitor.

One of my biggest gripes with TFA was how obvious it was that JJ decided mid-produciotn to bring Poe back but didn't bother to write in an actual explanation for how he lived. Not only that, but he completely bungles the reveal by just having him show up again and pretending like it was no big deal. I'd say it was worth it to have the character back, but it's not like he did anything or was particularly interesting.

Bluelitespecial

Not really, personal appearance is just that, personal. Plenty of guys go hairless, Its a matter of choice. Its my body and I can present it however I want to.

clappj

Dan

All joking aside, you're damn right. Good for you.

I don't agree with you about all that MRA/MGTOW/anti-feminism shit you spew on a regular basis, but I'm glad you're finding some comfort in the above, as I recall you mentioning before that your family wasn't very supportive of some things.

DVD Josh

I guess we could always watch it at home. There's a great chance they still wouldn't have seen it. I will have though.

majorjoe23

I think he was certain that they would hate him for it, then when he told them he found out they didn't care and it was no big deal.

DthRdrX

I never saw Poe as a main character to begin with. Maybe a notch above Wedge, who was many believe to be the best pilot in the OT.

stingermck

Yeah, his droid is more popular.

rocket1312

Of course he's right. The irony is that he buys into these absurd ideas about masculinity and gender identity but then engages in and defends this practice that many might consider the antitheses of "manliness."

Double_Oh_7

I don't know... he went from selfish scoundrel to saving Luke and the rebellion. He kinda had an arc in ANH.

nando820

Very true, it was a good way to bring back this franchise. Only thing I disagree with is having another Death Star, or if you gonna have it at least don't blow it till the next movie

Supermallet

Right, and Finn goes from uncertain First Order soldier to abandoning Rey to fighting with the Resistance.