What will be Marvel's First Movie Bomb?
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Ant Man will be a small hit
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Giant-Man will be a bigger hit
Goliath will be a blockbuster
Yellowjacket will see smaller returns
I could see Dr. Strange being successful as a Hellboy type movie. Action would be limited to the monsters Baron Mordo conjures up to wreak havoc in NY battling the monsters Strange conjures up to defeat them.
Goliath will be a blockbuster
Yellowjacket will see smaller returns
I could see Dr. Strange being successful as a Hellboy type movie. Action would be limited to the monsters Baron Mordo conjures up to wreak havoc in NY battling the monsters Strange conjures up to defeat them.
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And by the time Avengers 3 comes out there will be a whole new world of characters to make up the New Avengers and continue other stories. Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, The Black Panther, Ant-Man, maybe the Inhumans, and i guess their is a good chance the Hulk will still be around to rebuild his series. We will also have characters from other movies that might be given more a chance to shine or at least play minor roles in "event" movies. Falcon, Black Widow, Hawkeye (although i see one of both of these last two being killed off at some point), the Vision, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, War Machine amongst others.
Marvel is being intelligent in the fact that they are not over saturating the market with any one character and for each movie they make sure the right talent is attached to keep it feeling fresh. I think that the Ant-man movie will be fine in the end.
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Ant-Man has my vote, fanboys will come out, not sure about everyone else.
That being said, who would win between Ant-Man vs The Atom?
-My vote would be the Atom, because he can go down to a Atom.
That being said, who would win between Ant-Man vs The Atom?
-My vote would be the Atom, because he can go down to a Atom.
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I don't think so. The way i read Marvel with their Cinematic Universe is they are doing the opposite of Sony with Spiderman. Instead of retreading old ground and not advancing the character, they are trying to take each character through a story arc and then i see them leaving the characters for a long gestation period before any recasting, or maybe even ending with the character for the forseeable future. I think this will be complete with Avengers 3 for Thor, Iron Man and Captain America. At that point i think we will have had Thor 3, Captain America 3 and possibly Iron Man 4. Maybe during Avengers 3 Cap might die and the mantle would be passed to Bucky. I do think that after Avengers 3 though all these characters will only continue at the very most as cameos in other movies. Instead of burning out their franchises they will end them.
And by the time Avengers 3 comes out there will be a whole new world of characters to make up the New Avengers and continue other stories. Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, The Black Panther, Ant-Man, maybe the Inhumans, and i guess their is a good chance the Hulk will still be around to rebuild his series. We will also have characters from other movies that might be given more a chance to shine or at least play minor roles in "event" movies. Falcon, Black Widow, Hawkeye (although i see one of both of these last two being killed off at some point), the Vision, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, War Machine amongst others.
Marvel is being intelligent in the fact that they are not over saturating the market with any one character and for each movie they make sure the right talent is attached to keep it feeling fresh. I think that the Ant-man movie will be fine in the end.
And by the time Avengers 3 comes out there will be a whole new world of characters to make up the New Avengers and continue other stories. Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, The Black Panther, Ant-Man, maybe the Inhumans, and i guess their is a good chance the Hulk will still be around to rebuild his series. We will also have characters from other movies that might be given more a chance to shine or at least play minor roles in "event" movies. Falcon, Black Widow, Hawkeye (although i see one of both of these last two being killed off at some point), the Vision, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, War Machine amongst others.
Marvel is being intelligent in the fact that they are not over saturating the market with any one character and for each movie they make sure the right talent is attached to keep it feeling fresh. I think that the Ant-man movie will be fine in the end.
-Movie goers have never seen anything like in the history of movies, tip my hat to Marvel.
-WB seems to be moving along now...I like that their movies have a different style and direction to them.
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Snyder is a terrible director with a passable visual style, Goyer has great ideas that need a lot of assistance being manipulated into anything decent.
I'm not a big fan of Marvel movies, but they do keep a level of quality that Snyder and Goyer could never touch.
I'm not a big fan of Marvel movies, but they do keep a level of quality that Snyder and Goyer could never touch.
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I'm assuming it will be Ant Man.
A: The casual fan has heard of Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America and Thor. I don't think the same can be said of Ant-Man, I don't think Ant-Man has a tenth of the casual fan interest or recognition the other 4 have. (and even some of those well known iconic characters "underperformed" at the box office.)
B: overkill. Iron Man movies, Hulk Movies, Thor movies, Captain America movies, Nick Fury movies, Scarlett Witch movies, Ant Man movies, Avengers movies. Thats movies with an "s", meaning multiple movies of each character. Not to mention that horrible Shield show. This shit is gonna catch up with them sooner or later. And when it does, its gonna have a domino effect. Especially if they attempt in the near future to reboot any of these characters or replace any of the main actors. These studios heads can't look forward far enough to see their own dick. It's not "will" these movies start bombing, its "when" will these movies start bombing.
C: Ant Man is a stupid, goofy character, with a stupid goofy name. I can't imagine any scenario that has ant man shrinking to the size of an ant that isn't greeted with laughter. I don't think the character can be taken seriously. Or at least not as marginally serious as the other characters are received.
D: Edgar Wright dropping out after years of development, studio director as a replacement, actors dropping out. This movie has clusterfuck imprinted on its forehead from the get go.
E: The movie will probably be terrible.
A: The casual fan has heard of Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America and Thor. I don't think the same can be said of Ant-Man, I don't think Ant-Man has a tenth of the casual fan interest or recognition the other 4 have. (and even some of those well known iconic characters "underperformed" at the box office.)
B: overkill. Iron Man movies, Hulk Movies, Thor movies, Captain America movies, Nick Fury movies, Scarlett Witch movies, Ant Man movies, Avengers movies. Thats movies with an "s", meaning multiple movies of each character. Not to mention that horrible Shield show. This shit is gonna catch up with them sooner or later. And when it does, its gonna have a domino effect. Especially if they attempt in the near future to reboot any of these characters or replace any of the main actors. These studios heads can't look forward far enough to see their own dick. It's not "will" these movies start bombing, its "when" will these movies start bombing.
C: Ant Man is a stupid, goofy character, with a stupid goofy name. I can't imagine any scenario that has ant man shrinking to the size of an ant that isn't greeted with laughter. I don't think the character can be taken seriously. Or at least not as marginally serious as the other characters are received.
D: Edgar Wright dropping out after years of development, studio director as a replacement, actors dropping out. This movie has clusterfuck imprinted on its forehead from the get go.
E: The movie will probably be terrible.
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Any devil's advocates out there?
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He's trying to say that Affleck ruined Daredevil.
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I'm pretty sure Mark Steven Johnson or Avi Arad ruined Daredevil. The director's cut is a much stronger film, but again, that's what happens when you trim over 30 minutes out of a film and then re-arrange footage.
Ant-Man did $58M domestically and $57M internationally for its opening weekend for a worldwide total of $115M. Not bad for a superhero film thats not as known as say Captain America, Iron Man, or Thor, but also not bad for a film that's publicly known to have production problems.
It'll be curious to see how it does its second weekend. Most of the MCU is known to have 60% drops during weekend two, but the film is getting some great word-to-mouth, had a relatively low Saturday-to-Sunday drop, and has an "A" Cinemascore.
Ant-Man did $58M domestically and $57M internationally for its opening weekend for a worldwide total of $115M. Not bad for a superhero film thats not as known as say Captain America, Iron Man, or Thor, but also not bad for a film that's publicly known to have production problems.
It'll be curious to see how it does its second weekend. Most of the MCU is known to have 60% drops during weekend two, but the film is getting some great word-to-mouth, had a relatively low Saturday-to-Sunday drop, and has an "A" Cinemascore.
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Its not a great film by any means but I actually never hated the Affleck Daredevil film. Agreed that the director's cut made it better though.
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I still think the bottom is gonna fall out on superhero movies sooner or later. It seems it won't be Ant Man though. I'll own up to that. Sooner or later people are gonna wise up and not participate in 3 reboots of the same character in 15 years though. It will happen.
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I'm sure somewhere along the line Marvel will have a flop or at least a film that underperforms. They've been going fairly strong without one for seven years though which is pretty long. Especially considering there are multiple superhero films that come out on a yearly basis.
As far as reboots go Marvel Studios really hasn't gone that route with many of their properties thus far. The only characters they've really rebooted are Hulk who got a film that was more of a soft reboot than a full fledged one, and Daredevil who got a Netflix series twelve years after the initial film done by Fox. Aside from those two properties they'll be rebooting Spider-Man along with Sony soon, but really all the properties they've rebooted so far have been characters who were first done by another studio.
Really I think Marvel Studios has been smart about introducing enough new characters that not only keeps things fresh, but also leaves them enough room to not have to go straight into rebooting characters. At this point if an actor leaves or a character is written out of the MCU for some other reason there are enough characters to fill the void.
As far as reboots go Marvel Studios really hasn't gone that route with many of their properties thus far. The only characters they've really rebooted are Hulk who got a film that was more of a soft reboot than a full fledged one, and Daredevil who got a Netflix series twelve years after the initial film done by Fox. Aside from those two properties they'll be rebooting Spider-Man along with Sony soon, but really all the properties they've rebooted so far have been characters who were first done by another studio.
Really I think Marvel Studios has been smart about introducing enough new characters that not only keeps things fresh, but also leaves them enough room to not have to go straight into rebooting characters. At this point if an actor leaves or a character is written out of the MCU for some other reason there are enough characters to fill the void.
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Speaking of reboots, how many Punisher movies are we gonna get?
Good to know that Marvel is talking with Wesley Snipes about reviving the Blade character. I'd love to see him in Dr. Strange.
Good to know that Marvel is talking with Wesley Snipes about reviving the Blade character. I'd love to see him in Dr. Strange.
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Good to know that Marvel is talking with Wesley Snipes about reviving the Blade character. I'd love to see him in Dr. Strange.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Blade potentially being brought back with Snipes is pretty cool. The first two films were decent enough and really only Blade Trinity was shitty so the franchise as it stands now is salvageable enough.
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Good to know that Marvel is talking with Wesley Snipes about reviving the Blade character. I'd love to see him in Dr. Strange.
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I find it doubtful that we'd get Snipes back but Snipes sure as hell made an impression w/ that role. Didn't he become a bitch on Trinity though?
I can see where Marvel could possibly make a choice w/ keeping him and not technically keeping the old films as continuity but still using him as well. That'd be cool.
I can see where Marvel could possibly make a choice w/ keeping him and not technically keeping the old films as continuity but still using him as well. That'd be cool.



