Double_Oh_7

What's really going on with the reshoots...

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/03/rogue-one-reshoots

collven

Basically, the initial reports were an overreaction or outright lies.

DaveyJoe

Would 'deeply placed sources' at Lucasfilm admit to a clusterfuck behind the scenes?

Josh-da-man

Yeah, I don't know what to think.

Reshoots, in and of themselves, don't mean anything. Happens all the time.

The reports coming out are a somewhat alarming, but they're all from anonymous sources, and they could just people making shit up. But, then again, nobody working on the movie is going to come right out and put their name onto their complaint if they want to work in Hollywood again. If there is a problem, or if Disney corporate is watering down the movie, nobody is going to admit it.

And I don't trust EW to give anything but the corporate line, and tell us that everything is fine.

Mabuse

Why are you all being sexist? You're only wanting to doubt these positive reports because you hate the film because you have a penis. Oh and by the way, the original Star Wars wasn't very good. The creatures in the Cantina look like rubber masks and you can see matte lines everywhere.

Oh sorry guys. I thought this was the Ghostbusters thread.

Mike86

I tend to believe the EW article. Like mentioned if that much of the film was being reshot there's no way it would be out by December and we likely would be hearing of the release date getting pushed back.

majorjoe23

They might if they aren't being named.

DaveyJoe

Maybe the reshoots aren't VFX shots, but just character moments of actors doing comedic relief and dialogue scenes with a lighter mood. Either way, we are all leaning toward one truth or the other, while pointing at the latest anonymous source as 'proof.' There's no way to know for sure, Hollywood is good at controlling information. Even if there are no major issues behind the scenes, I'm sure Disney saw the rumors, and had somebody internal give EW a 'scoop' to 'set the record straight.' They can't just let the speculation get out of control.

I feel like anybody with a significant position in Lucasfilms would find it in their best interest that Rogue One be a huge success. It's not good for audiences to think this movie is going down the path of Fantastic Four.

Mike86

Well I'm sure that Disney doesn't want to let speculation get out of control but I thought it was odd that they'd really be doing reshoots on almost half the film to begin with.

TGM

yeah, 40% reshoots means someone REALLY fell sleep behind the wheel. Highly doubtful. The Mouse is a well oiled machine.

Mondo Kane

I havent clicked on any of the links, but I'm assuming that there's pressure on how to sell a Star Wars movie to audiences that doesn't contain ONE lightsaber duel.

Mabuse

It's going to have Darth Vader so there might be some lightsabering.

Mike86

There's a lot more to a Star Wars film than just lightsaber duels. I think that's not giving casuals enough credit that that's all they'd want to see. There will still be elements of familiarity in the film (Vader, Troopers, Imperial vehicles like AT-AT's, etc.) just the story will be told from a different perspective than we're used to. The bigger issue is making sure the characters are strong enough that people will want to root for since most of the film will be made up of new characters or characters who aren't as developed.

DaveyJoe

But there's never been a Star Wars film without one. I wager most of the animated spinoffs feature frequent lightsaber duels. I mean it's be like a Samurai film without a sword fight. Most viewers would rather see more Seven Samurai, and less Hara Kiri.

Mike86

I guess I don't think it should be that hard of a sell to not have a lightsaber duel. Sure the films to date have all had one but again it's not all Star Wars is. The film being branded with the Star Wars name will be enough of a sell for most people to see it and as long as the story and characters are strong I think you'll find that people will be willing to look past there not being a lightsaber duel.

DaveyJoe

I don't think it's a selling issue, people are going to see the new Star Wars no matter what. However, lightsaber duels are a staple of the series, I don't even think it would occur to many viewers that there might not be lightsaber action in this one. It's just expected, and I guarantee people would complain if there weren't any. Look at all of the silly reasons people found to bitch about TFA.

Mike86

Well let's be honest most of the people who complained about The Force Awakens weren't casual fans but more fanboys with whatever axe they found to grind with the film. Some of those types are just people who are never happy with anything just because it's not their perfect version or what they grew up with or whatever bullshit reason. Not that the film was entirely perfect but a lot of the so called flaws are some of the finest examples of nitpicking I've seen on the Internet from fans who supposedly wanted something in line with the Original Trilogy.

I think most of the casual audience will accept that there's not a lightsaber duel as long as the film is good. There likely will be a group of fanboys who won't like it because there's not one and that makes it not their Star Wars or whatever.

DaveyJoe

Lightsabers are probably the most iconic thing about Star Wars that sets it apart from other sci-fi stories. I don't think it'll be the fanboys that complain as much as the casual fans who are confused about why Rey and Finn aren't in the new Star Wars. The fanboys understand the concept of this prequel, but casual fans will struggle with the first spin-off and why it isn't more similar to the other movies.

resinrats

Vader is in it so he could ignite his saber at some point.

With these spin-off movies jumping around in the timeline, the title crawl will be extra important to let film goers know where this film takes place. Have it say something like "Weeks before Princess Leia hid the plans for the Death Star in Artoo Deetoo, which led to Luke Skywalker joining the Rebellion..." . Unless people have forgotten Ep4, this will tell them that it takes place right before it.

TGM

I would love to see a scene of Vader killing one or two Jedi... maybe having his first scene in the movie a sharp cut to him already in the middle of battle on some alien planet, dispatches them easily and walks up the ramp of a transport ship. nerdgasm.

Mabuse

You are coming from a perspective that you know there will be no lightsaber fight. What makes you so sure?

DaveyJoe

I'm not sure, we're just speculating on how audiences might react if there isn't one.

resinrats

They've said before there isn't any good Jedi in this film. I'm totally fine with a 'NO FORCE' SW film. After the books and Prequel films, I'm sick of the Force. I'd much rather see characters with actual skills then ones that rely on space magic. Bunch of cheaters.

Mike86

I guess I'm a bit surprised that people are viewing Star Wars so narrowly personally. I mean the Force and lightsabers and of course the Jedi are a big part but even as a kid that wasn't all that drew me in. I was a fan of the various ships/battles, creatures, locations, etc. I wouldn't think I'm alone in that.

coli

The bottom line is people will complain if it doesn't feel 'enough like the OT' and people will complain if it feels 'too much like the OT' so Disney just needs to pick a side and go with what they think will work.

If Disney thinks Rogue One will make as much money as Episode 7,8,9, then they are misreading the market. I saw TFA 4 times in the theater, but I will probably see Rogue One once, maybe twice if its really good.