Why doesn't Hollywood remake Flawed films and Improve them ?
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Re: Why doesn't Hollywood remake Flawed films and Improve them ?
Yeah, why would you want to throw money at a bad concept when you could easily squeeze out some money from a remake of a loved film?
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Re: Why doesn't Hollywood remake Flawed films and Improve them ?
The answer is simple: money. Remaking something, at least in the mind of a big Hollywood studio, gives them automatic box-office cache. If it worked once, they figure it will work again. Why are there so many 80s remakes? The audience for all of these movies have moved on to video games, why watch the sniper when you can be him online? Studios desperately think, and apparently they're at least partially right, that nostalgia is a good way to get people into seats. Remakes can of course be successful: The Fly, The Thing. Invasion of the Body Snatchers-but that require a talented director to reconceptualize the ideas at the heart of a story for a new era. Hollywood doesn't care about ideas, they care about merchandising, special FX, and cheap thrills, and since that's usually enough to cover the box office overhead, why bother making the film any good when you can cash in on a pre-sold name?
That's what I said.
My point is though that Snyder didn't bring anything new to the table. If the Dawn of the Dead remake was just called something else, it'd be fine. But as a remake of one of the pillars of the whole genre, it doesn't bring enough to justify what's new. It's a fun zombie flick, but not much else.
Not at all. In fact, the best thing about remakes is that they usually get proper releases and remasters for the original films like the new 4K Robocop. If remaking Predator will finally get that film a proper release, I'm all for it. But sometimes something is so vile and horrible, like the A Nightmare on Elm Street remake, that it actually desecrates something beautiful.
That's what I said.
I've always said that Remakes don't eliminate the original. This is why I don't get all butthurt like some of the Movie Fanboys do when a remake is announced. It often simply gives a different view.
Plus, one can and SHOULD always go back and check out the Original just for enrichment.
Plus, one can and SHOULD always go back and check out the Original just for enrichment.
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Probably for many of the same reasons they are remaking just about everything that made a little moola:-
a) it's all about the money;
b) they are idiots;
c) the bloody bastards are too damned lazy to send anyone into the archive-dump that is original material.
Each time I see a remake is on the cards, I picture another 500 original scripts being unceremoniously dumped into a huge vault in a basement somewhere. And I would bet my pyjama bottoms that there are scripts there written on leftover bits of the Rosetta stone. Just gathering more dust. At least the rats are entertained...
a) it's all about the money;
b) they are idiots;
c) the bloody bastards are too damned lazy to send anyone into the archive-dump that is original material.
Each time I see a remake is on the cards, I picture another 500 original scripts being unceremoniously dumped into a huge vault in a basement somewhere. And I would bet my pyjama bottoms that there are scripts there written on leftover bits of the Rosetta stone. Just gathering more dust. At least the rats are entertained...

Except they aren't idiots, because for them, a)
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My point is though that Snyder didn't bring anything new to the table. If the Dawn of the Dead remake was just called something else, it'd be fine. But as a remake of one of the pillars of the whole genre, it doesn't bring enough to justify what's new. It's a fun zombie flick, but not much else.
That could be said of just about every Zombie/Living Dead film since DotD Shit, ROMERO himself can't even give us anything as witty and socially relevant that's also entertaining. He keeps trying but he keeps missing.
Not at all. In fact, the best thing about remakes is that they usually get proper releases and remasters for the original films like the new 4K Robocop. If remaking Predator will finally get that film a proper release, I'm all for it. But sometimes something is so vile and horrible, like the A Nightmare on Elm Street remake, that it actually desecrates something beautiful.
Remakes DO NOT "desecrate" the originals. The originals are always there and will always stand on their own. Hell, even the Remakes can either stand on their own or fail miserably.
I swear, some of you act as if Hollywood makes the Gov pull all copies of Original films out of Public hands when remakes get produced. This is simply NOT the case.
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Remakes DO NOT "desecrate" the originals. The originals are always there and will always stand on their own. Hell, even the Remakes can either stand on their own or fail miserably. I swear, some of you act as if Hollywood makes the Gov pull all copies of Original films out of Public hands when remakes get produced. This is simply NOT the case.
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Remakes DO NOT "desecrate" the originals. The originals are always there and will always stand on their own. Hell, even the Remakes can either stand on their own or fail miserably.
I swear, some of you act as if Hollywood makes the Gov pull all copies of Original films out of Public hands when remakes get produced. This is simply NOT the case.
I swear, some of you act as if Hollywood makes the Gov pull all copies of Original films out of Public hands when remakes get produced. This is simply NOT the case.
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If Day of the Dead's reputation pales when held up against Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead, it's because fanboys and critics got the message all too clear: with Day of the Dead, Romero is through fucking around with allegory.
This. I'm tired of saying the name of a classic movie and having people say "which one?" The one that doesn't suck, that's which one.
While that is all indeed true, it always irks me that when I list my favorite horror films as Carrie, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Black Christmas, The Wicker Man, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Dawn of the Dead, Friday the 13th, The Fog, A Tale of Two Sisters, and Let The Right One In, and have to qualify all of those with "The original, not the remake".
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Considering that Hollywood has done remakes since the very beginning, I'm not sure why this is continually brought up like it's new.
The fact is that making a new thing is riskier than remaking an old thing. The people who put up the money the first time took the risk and it paid off. And there are countless failed projects and failed studios that never get mentioned again because it didn't pay off.
As a business person (and making movies is about making money, not about making art), why would you dig something out of the failed bin? It failed. But if you dig out of the "worked" bin, you have a better chance of making it work again. And Hollywood has ALWAYS operated that way.
There are still plenty of new films coming out every year and you don't have to see the remakes or stop watching the beloved originals...so what's the problem again?
The fact is that making a new thing is riskier than remaking an old thing. The people who put up the money the first time took the risk and it paid off. And there are countless failed projects and failed studios that never get mentioned again because it didn't pay off.
As a business person (and making movies is about making money, not about making art), why would you dig something out of the failed bin? It failed. But if you dig out of the "worked" bin, you have a better chance of making it work again. And Hollywood has ALWAYS operated that way.
There are still plenty of new films coming out every year and you don't have to see the remakes or stop watching the beloved originals...so what's the problem again?
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The Carrie remake is absolutely dreadful. I have no idea how they roped Julianne Moore into it (well, I guess bags of cash persuaded her
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It's not worth a rental, possibly a free viewing when it comes to Starz or another channel on cable.
).It's not worth a rental, possibly a free viewing when it comes to Starz or another channel on cable.
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I still think that Day of the Dead is underrated. And while you're right to some extent, I still think that as an example, Danny Boyle's 28 Days Later, which came out around the same time as Snyder's DOTD remake, while derivative, offered up its scares with more intelligence, social commentary, and actual character development.
So please tell me what was so intelligent about how the film "offered up its scares". I hope this won't become a "it's better because it's a foreign film" breakdown....
Actually, from what I understand, Lucas HAS tried to get rid of prints of the original versions of the original trilogy, and even hacked up the negative to create a new version to better fit with other installments. An outlier, but it's a big one.
Well, that's 1....
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We will agree to disagree on "Day". It, Like 28 Days Later was a fun romp for any Living Dead fan, but it wasn't "all that". As far as 28 Days Later, a film I enjoyed, the social commentary...was nothing we haven't seen before. "man's own arrogance causes his destruction" yeah...heard that. "People are savages when pushed" yeah knew that...
So please tell me what was so intelligent about how the film "offered up its scares". I hope this won't become a "it's better because it's a foreign film" breakdown....
. Nothing inherently, I just think that it actually had some subtext rather than just being a movie about "zombies eating flesh! Lets use this to create action sequences! As many as possible!" Romero's comment that The Walking Dead is "just a soap opera" got a lot of flak, but I think he's right.
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Re: Why doesn't Hollywood remake Flawed films and Improve them ?
While that is all indeed true, it always irks me that when I list my favorite horror films as Carrie, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Black Christmas, The Wicker Man, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Dawn of the Dead, Friday the 13th, The Fog, A Tale of Two Sisters, and Let The Right One In, and have to qualify all of those with "The original, not the remake".
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While that is all indeed true, it always irks me that when I list my favorite horror films as Carrie, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Black Christmas, The Wicker Man, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Dawn of the Dead, Friday the 13th, The Fog, A Tale of Two Sisters, and Let The Right One In, and have to qualify all of those with "The original, not the remake".
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The 40th anniversary of Death Wish is coming up this summer. Time for a remake where Paul Kersey actually takes care of the punks who turned his life upside down.
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I saw the DOTD remake first, in theaters. I liked it but it could have done without some generic narrative. I did like running zombies, Sarah P's character, and that sniper dude. He was awesome. There were some other neat little things too. Then I saw the original, that film is a lot stronger but it does have some aged elements now. I think a remake for it could have worked better if it could have taken itself more serious and relied itself on a stronger story than its flash.
There are some good films that could have benefitted with an update. Though some stand so strong that they it is pointless to do so. A film like TDTEST could have been something like that. Unfortunately it wasn't so strong at times, though I did enjoy it.
There are some good films that could have benefitted with an update. Though some stand so strong that they it is pointless to do so. A film like TDTEST could have been something like that. Unfortunately it wasn't so strong at times, though I did enjoy it.



