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Old 08-27-13 | 06:40 AM
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When it all goes wrong

Hi everyone. Long time observer, but new member and first post. So please be nice.

We’ve all seen our fair share of bad movies. I sometimes wonder “what were they thinking?!” while watching movies. Do you think there’s a point the stars of the movie realise it’s going to be bad, but carry on anyway? Or if they have the clout, try change things and make it worse? Could it be the “creative differences” reason/excuse for leaving a movie? Examples which comes to mind:

Barry Pepper in Battlefield Earth
George Clooney in Batman & Robin
Jodie Foster in Flightplan

Your thoughts?
Old 08-27-13 | 07:22 AM
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There are some actors who don't care what piece of crap they appear in as long as they get their paycheck (De Niro, Walken, Cage, Kingsley...)

And then there are others who do care and may try to change things if they have the clout, but there is not much they can do once shooting is underway. I am sure it is embarrassing for them, and must be a struggle to finish filming with their full passion f they see that the film just isn't working.

There have not been many instances where an actor has walked off the film in the middle of shooting due to creative differences (Peter Sellers in Casino Royale is one example). I think that is the worst thing an actor can do as it could severely harm their career.
Old 08-27-13 | 07:49 AM
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So the thinking is that, for a while, actors might just feel the same way about their jobs as the rest of us? Oh joy!
Old 08-27-13 | 08:21 AM
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Yeah, it's much more common for actors and directors to realize a movie won't turn out how they want it to during the planning stages these days.

The most recent case of an actor quitting a movie well into production I think was Emma Watson walking off the set of This Is The End because she was uncomfortable with
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Channing Tatum smoking pot and break dancing in a tiny thong


Sacha Baron Cohen quit the Queen biopic because of creative differences with, not the studio, but the former members of Queen. Though that argument escalated from Cohen's desire to make an adult movie about Freddie Mercury and Queen's want for a more family friendly biopic.
Old 08-27-13 | 08:26 AM
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Much of the time the actors don't know if the movie's going to be garbage or quality.

There's the story about Kyle Maclachlan banging his fist on a wall after seeing Showgirls, saying he thought it was going to be an art film.
Old 08-27-13 | 08:30 AM
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Did he read the script?
Old 08-27-13 | 09:46 AM
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I remember an interview with Stallone years ago saying how he would watch the dailies of Rhinestone and cry himself to sleep.
Old 08-27-13 | 09:48 AM
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Re: When it all goes wrong

Originally Posted by Trickshot
Hi everyone. Long time observer, but new member and first post. So please be nice.

We’ve all seen our fair share of bad movies. I sometimes wonder “what were they thinking?!” while watching movies. Do you think there’s a point the stars of the movie realise it’s going to be bad, but carry on anyway? Or if they have the clout, try change things and make it worse? Could it be the “creative differences” reason/excuse for leaving a movie? Examples which comes to mind:

Barry Pepper in Battlefield Earth
George Clooney in Batman & Robin
Jodie Foster in Flightplan

Your thoughts?


I enjoyed Flightplan. Now a more fitting question is: why Elysium?
Old 08-27-13 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Trickshot
So the thinking is that, for a while, actors might just feel the same way about their jobs as the rest of us? Oh joy!
Yeah, pretty much. A job is a job.
Old 08-27-13 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
I enjoyed Flightplan. Now a more fitting question is: why Elysium?
I believe she's been shopping around for years for a project that gave her the opportunity to use a bizarre, wavering accent.
Old 08-27-13 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Goose
I remember an interview with Stallone years ago saying how he would watch the dailies of Rhinestone and cry himself to sleep.
Knowing that, I'm surprised he didn't kill himself over Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot, Over The Top, or Driven.
Old 08-27-13 | 10:27 AM
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Knowing that, I'm surprised he didn't kill himself over Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot, Over The Top, or Driven.
Let's not forget Oscar.
Old 08-27-13 | 10:36 AM
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Just recently there was a thread around here for the Jerry Lewis film The Day the Clown Cried, or whatever it was called. Evidently Lewis realized what a colossal piece of shit it was that he pulled it, and has pretty much tried to wipe it from existence.

I assume many projects look great on paper, which is when many actors sign on, but when production starts rolling along it becomes obvious the movie isn't turning out the way it was visualized in their head.

I'll admit that I secretly enjoy when a movie that was obviously an "Oscar bait" movie in preproduction ends up being a disappointment. You just know Robin Williams saw Oscar gold when he signed on to Patch Adams and Oprah thought she was making another The Color Purple when Beloved started filming.

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Old 08-27-13 | 10:41 AM
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Exorcist II : The Heretic

What happens when a studio gets greedy and will do what it takes to get a sequel done without the participation of the original authors.

They laid out the money on the table for William Friedken & William Peter Blatty and they both refused.

http://www.1000misspenthours.com/rev...theheretic.htm


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The bare fact that the whole second half of Exorcist II concerns a Catholic priest acting upon revelations from a pre-Christian Mesopotamian demon should be enough to tell you that this movie takes place in an entirely different moral and metaphysical universe from The Exorcist. Simply put, this is what you get when you hand over the reins of a sequel to somebody who openly detested the original film. To all appearances, Boorman deliberately did the opposite of everything that had worked in The Exorcist, or that would have made sense as a continuation of its story. Father Merrin, the Van Helsing of the previous movie, was originally the perfect embodiment of the Roman Catholic Church as believers would like to conceive it, a wise yet humble representative of a stern yet benevolent authoritarianism. Boorman, having none of that, recasts him as an institutionally embarrassing rebel, a man who discovered and proclaimed a secret truth despite all the obscurantist obstruction that his bosses could throw his way. Regan MacNeil was originally a collateral casualty of the struggle between Good and Evil, a bystander whose innocence was itself the point. Pazuzu picked her precisely because there was nothing special or important about her; his true target was always the faith of Regan’s would-be rescuers, and the injustice of his attack on her was itself his strongest weapon against that faith. Again, Boorman has other ideas, and we are now asked to believe that Regan is Jean Gray for Jesus, with Merrin (or Lamont) and Pazuzu squabbling over her allegiance like Professor X and Magneto. Most galling to any thoughtful fan of The Exorcist, however, is what Boorman has done with Damien Karas. Karas, after all, was the real hero of The Exorcist, and his eventual victory over Pazuzu was the most stridently and specifically Christian thing about it. It was not strength that defeated Evil in the end, but literally Christ-like sacrifice, as Karas surrendered his own life— and, if you’re a pre-Vatican II Catholic, his own soul— to lure the demon out of Regan. There was no way to tell the story that Boorman wanted to while acknowledging that turn of events, so I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised that Exorcist II ignores Karas completely, refusing even to mention his name. Absolutely the only recognition Karas receives in the sequel comes by implication, as one of the oft-mentioned three deaths that occurred at the MacNeil house four years ago. To be fair, there probably is a compelling and thought-provoking movie to be made on the premise of Exorcist II— it just wouldn’t be a sequel to The Exorcist, and Boorman’s determination to make it one reveals his contempt not only for the earlier film, but for that movie’s fans as well.
Old 08-27-13 | 10:57 AM
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Re: When it all goes wrong

Michael Caine on Jaws - The Revenge: "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."
Old 08-27-13 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by The Valeyard
Michael Caine on Jaws - The Revenge: "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...oved-apt-.html

"I got desperate to the point that I accepted a picture in Alaska with Steven Seagal, the martial arts expert. The movie was called On Deadly Ground and the title was to prove apt.

Although Steven and the rest of the team were great to work with, I had broken one of the cardinal rules of bad movies: if you're going to do a bad movie, at least do it in a great location.

Here I was, doing a movie where the work was freezing my brain and the weather was freezing my a**. I vowed never to work in a tough location again. The litmus test for this, I decided, would be my wife. If Shakira refuses to come, I ain't going. I remember asking her if she would like to come to Alaska and she didn't even bother to reply. I should have got the warning. I've been lucky with my career. Like most people, I've screwed up a couple of times and got away with it."

- Michael Caine
Old 08-27-13 | 12:08 PM
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And he was in the BEST MOVIE EVER too.
Old 08-27-13 | 12:14 PM
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^^ Inception?
Old 08-27-13 | 12:15 PM
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It's one thing for actors to take work because it's work... it's another thing when total shit even makes it thru production and finds a distributor: ex: anything by Adam Sandler
Old 08-27-13 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DeputyDave
And he was in the BEST MOVIE EVER too.

Zulu?
Old 08-27-13 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DeputyDave
And he was in the BEST MOVIE EVER too.


Old 08-27-13 | 12:44 PM
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Don't forget this gem...

Old 08-27-13 | 12:51 PM
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No one in Hollywood but the Scientologists wanted Battlefield Earth made. It was a vanity project for a cult with a lot of influence in the movie industry. There is no other way something like that ever hits the silver screen.
Old 08-27-13 | 12:51 PM
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I can watch Michael Caine in anything but my avatar is from my favorite movie of all time.
Old 08-27-13 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Trickshot

Barry Pepper in Battlefield Earth
George Clooney in Batman & Robin
Jodie Foster in Flightplan

Your thoughts?
Really good question and some good examples.

I suppose with Pepper it was semi-lead role. Probably coming off Private Ryan it seemed flattering.
With Clooney and B&R, I think he had just done The Peacemaker and coming from ER thought it was a good move with a big franchise. I remember in an interview he said that after it came out he was speaking to his accountant and he said how does he look and the reply was "you don't have to work again!".
I really like Flightplan. I heard they were originally going with a male lead and it didn't really matter and went with her. Flightplan was quite a hit if I remember correctly.


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