When it all goes wrong
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When it all goes wrong
Hi everyone. Long time observer, but new member and first post. So please be nice.
We’ve all seen our fair share of bad movies. I sometimes wonder “what were they thinking?!” while watching movies. Do you think there’s a point the stars of the movie realise it’s going to be bad, but carry on anyway? Or if they have the clout, try change things and make it worse? Could it be the “creative differences” reason/excuse for leaving a movie? Examples which comes to mind:
Barry Pepper in Battlefield Earth
George Clooney in Batman & Robin
Jodie Foster in Flightplan
Your thoughts?
We’ve all seen our fair share of bad movies. I sometimes wonder “what were they thinking?!” while watching movies. Do you think there’s a point the stars of the movie realise it’s going to be bad, but carry on anyway? Or if they have the clout, try change things and make it worse? Could it be the “creative differences” reason/excuse for leaving a movie? Examples which comes to mind:
Barry Pepper in Battlefield Earth
George Clooney in Batman & Robin
Jodie Foster in Flightplan
Your thoughts?
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There are some actors who don't care what piece of crap they appear in as long as they get their paycheck (De Niro, Walken, Cage, Kingsley...)
And then there are others who do care and may try to change things if they have the clout, but there is not much they can do once shooting is underway. I am sure it is embarrassing for them, and must be a struggle to finish filming with their full passion f they see that the film just isn't working.
There have not been many instances where an actor has walked off the film in the middle of shooting due to creative differences (Peter Sellers in Casino Royale is one example). I think that is the worst thing an actor can do as it could severely harm their career.
And then there are others who do care and may try to change things if they have the clout, but there is not much they can do once shooting is underway. I am sure it is embarrassing for them, and must be a struggle to finish filming with their full passion f they see that the film just isn't working.
There have not been many instances where an actor has walked off the film in the middle of shooting due to creative differences (Peter Sellers in Casino Royale is one example). I think that is the worst thing an actor can do as it could severely harm their career.
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Yeah, it's much more common for actors and directors to realize a movie won't turn out how they want it to during the planning stages these days.
The most recent case of an actor quitting a movie well into production I think was Emma Watson walking off the set of This Is The End because she was uncomfortable with
Sacha Baron Cohen quit the Queen biopic because of creative differences with, not the studio, but the former members of Queen. Though that argument escalated from Cohen's desire to make an adult movie about Freddie Mercury and Queen's want for a more family friendly biopic.
The most recent case of an actor quitting a movie well into production I think was Emma Watson walking off the set of This Is The End because she was uncomfortable with
Spoiler:
Sacha Baron Cohen quit the Queen biopic because of creative differences with, not the studio, but the former members of Queen. Though that argument escalated from Cohen's desire to make an adult movie about Freddie Mercury and Queen's want for a more family friendly biopic.
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Much of the time the actors don't know if the movie's going to be garbage or quality.
There's the story about Kyle Maclachlan banging his fist on a wall after seeing Showgirls, saying he thought it was going to be an art film.
There's the story about Kyle Maclachlan banging his fist on a wall after seeing Showgirls, saying he thought it was going to be an art film.
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Did he read the script?
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Hi everyone. Long time observer, but new member and first post. So please be nice.
We’ve all seen our fair share of bad movies. I sometimes wonder “what were they thinking?!” while watching movies. Do you think there’s a point the stars of the movie realise it’s going to be bad, but carry on anyway? Or if they have the clout, try change things and make it worse? Could it be the “creative differences” reason/excuse for leaving a movie? Examples which comes to mind:
Barry Pepper in Battlefield Earth
George Clooney in Batman & Robin
Jodie Foster in Flightplan
Your thoughts?
We’ve all seen our fair share of bad movies. I sometimes wonder “what were they thinking?!” while watching movies. Do you think there’s a point the stars of the movie realise it’s going to be bad, but carry on anyway? Or if they have the clout, try change things and make it worse? Could it be the “creative differences” reason/excuse for leaving a movie? Examples which comes to mind:
Barry Pepper in Battlefield Earth
George Clooney in Batman & Robin
Jodie Foster in Flightplan
Your thoughts?
I enjoyed Flightplan. Now a more fitting question is: why Elysium?
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Just recently there was a thread around here for the Jerry Lewis film The Day the Clown Cried, or whatever it was called. Evidently Lewis realized what a colossal piece of shit it was that he pulled it, and has pretty much tried to wipe it from existence.
I assume many projects look great on paper, which is when many actors sign on, but when production starts rolling along it becomes obvious the movie isn't turning out the way it was visualized in their head.
I'll admit that I secretly enjoy when a movie that was obviously an "Oscar bait" movie in preproduction ends up being a disappointment. You just know Robin Williams saw Oscar gold when he signed on to Patch Adams and Oprah thought she was making another The Color Purple when Beloved started filming.
I assume many projects look great on paper, which is when many actors sign on, but when production starts rolling along it becomes obvious the movie isn't turning out the way it was visualized in their head.
I'll admit that I secretly enjoy when a movie that was obviously an "Oscar bait" movie in preproduction ends up being a disappointment. You just know Robin Williams saw Oscar gold when he signed on to Patch Adams and Oprah thought she was making another The Color Purple when Beloved started filming.
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Exorcist II : The Heretic
What happens when a studio gets greedy and will do what it takes to get a sequel done without the participation of the original authors.
They laid out the money on the table for William Friedken & William Peter Blatty and they both refused.
http://www.1000misspenthours.com/rev...theheretic.htm
Here is an excerpt from that link :
What happens when a studio gets greedy and will do what it takes to get a sequel done without the participation of the original authors.
They laid out the money on the table for William Friedken & William Peter Blatty and they both refused.
http://www.1000misspenthours.com/rev...theheretic.htm
Here is an excerpt from that link :
Spoiler:
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Michael Caine on Jaws - The Revenge: "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."
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"I got desperate to the point that I accepted a picture in Alaska with Steven Seagal, the martial arts expert. The movie was called On Deadly Ground and the title was to prove apt.
Although Steven and the rest of the team were great to work with, I had broken one of the cardinal rules of bad movies: if you're going to do a bad movie, at least do it in a great location.
Here I was, doing a movie where the work was freezing my brain and the weather was freezing my a**. I vowed never to work in a tough location again. The litmus test for this, I decided, would be my wife. If Shakira refuses to come, I ain't going. I remember asking her if she would like to come to Alaska and she didn't even bother to reply. I should have got the warning. I've been lucky with my career. Like most people, I've screwed up a couple of times and got away with it."
- Michael Caine
Although Steven and the rest of the team were great to work with, I had broken one of the cardinal rules of bad movies: if you're going to do a bad movie, at least do it in a great location.
Here I was, doing a movie where the work was freezing my brain and the weather was freezing my a**. I vowed never to work in a tough location again. The litmus test for this, I decided, would be my wife. If Shakira refuses to come, I ain't going. I remember asking her if she would like to come to Alaska and she didn't even bother to reply. I should have got the warning. I've been lucky with my career. Like most people, I've screwed up a couple of times and got away with it."
- Michael Caine
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Re: When it all goes wrong
^^ Inception?
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It's one thing for actors to take work because it's work... it's another thing when total shit even makes it thru production and finds a distributor: ex: anything by Adam Sandler
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No one in Hollywood but the Scientologists wanted Battlefield Earth made. It was a vanity project for a cult with a lot of influence in the movie industry. There is no other way something like that ever hits the silver screen.
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I suppose with Pepper it was semi-lead role. Probably coming off Private Ryan it seemed flattering.
With Clooney and B&R, I think he had just done The Peacemaker and coming from ER thought it was a good move with a big franchise. I remember in an interview he said that after it came out he was speaking to his accountant and he said how does he look and the reply was "you don't have to work again!".
I really like Flightplan. I heard they were originally going with a male lead and it didn't really matter and went with her. Flightplan was quite a hit if I remember correctly.