Rex Power Colt-Robot Man

And Im saying it looks like garbage. There are some nicely done scenes, yes, but the art direction/character designs are awful.

RocShemp

Finally saw this today and enjoyed it a great deal. I never read the comic series so a lot of the alterations were surprising for me. I feel they really pushed the PG-13 into what should have earned them an R-rating. I wonder if the MPAA will be so lenient next time.

This could have easily been a live action movie though I'm sure the violence would have been toned down considerably if the wanted to make it a theatrical release.

I remember that. It would have happened if WB had felt that the PG-13 version had sold well. I really enjoyed it and am surprised to realize it's not in my BD collection. I need to correct that mistake.

fujishig

To be fair, the whole Thawne/Zoom/Reverse Flash thing is super super confusing, even (or maybe especially) in the comics.

My main complaint about the anime style is what I said earlier: they don't even show any screenshots on the packaging, so someone who picks this off the shelf with just the artwork to go by is going to be a little shocked.

RocShemp

I decided to look up some info and taffer is technically right.

hanshotfirst1138

Neither Redbox nor Blockbuster have this yet, apparently.

Rocketdog2000

In regards to the Comic series and it's tie-ins, the war between Aquaman and Wonder Woman goes something like this...



I wish they could have shown at least some of this in the movie, but with the 70 odd minute running time, it's undrestandable that they didn't. Also, most of this story get's told outside of the main Flashpoint series, in the tie-in minis that ran alongside it - "Flashpoint: Emperor Aquaman" and "Flashpoint: Wonder Woman & The Furies".

Incidentally, the Batman tie-in mini series that accompanied Flashpoint - "Flashpoint: Batman Knight of Vengeance" - could have made an excellent movie in and of itself.

As for the movie, I enjoyed it, despite some of the story changes, yet as mentioned above, I get why they did what they did, Only other thing I wasn't too crazy about was the animation. It wasn't terrible, but could have been better.

Lastly, I'm going to have to watch the Wonder Woman movie again. I always hear people rave about and praise it, but from my memories, it was just ok. In the grand scheme of DC animated movies, and i own most of them, it falls somewhere more in the middle for me.

Deftones

I also thought the WW movie was average, at best. But that may be due to my not caring for the character whatsoever.

taffer

Yeah, that miniseries was badass and would make a great movie, especially since

TheMovieman

That's where it is for me as well, and I think I own all of them.

Dragon Tattoo

Probably due to you being a misogynist.

PhantomStranger

Wonder Woman has a more polished script behind it, since it was first intended as a script for an actual Wonder Woman movie. Flashpoint needed another 20 to 30 minutes of scenes to flesh out the details behind several critical plot elements, especially if one weren't already familiar with current DC history.

Saying that, I still thought it was the single best animated DC movie to date. I just wish DC and Geoff Johns hadn't messed with Barry's emotional background story so much.

Groucho

Mod note: any more posts of this nature, and you'll find yourself on vacation from this forum...

Dragon Tattoo

Got it. Can't post anything truthful.

Troy Stiffler

*yawn*

RocShemp

This thread made me revisit the Wonder Woman movie. It holds up well and definitely could have been a live action feature. I would love to read the script before it was adapted to a shorter runtime. The finished product is good but it does feel condensed at times.

cleaver

Then don't watch Superman Unbound because that's the low point so far.

Rocketdog2000

Me, too. While it was better than I remembered, I still wouldn't exactly rate it as high as some have.

Have to admit, that was the first DC Animated movie I didn't even bother with. I've heard very few positive things about it.

OldBoy

i'm gonna get this (WW) out now and put it in the queue!

RocShemp

I've heard it's great but the art style really turns me off.

hanshotfirst1138

Holy code of Primus, that was black as hell's gate and Mordor dark! If they're trying to prove that they can still do dark stuff with Timm gone, mission accomplished. I'm sure that Darwyn Cooke would have plenty to rant about. I'm not entirely sure if it wasn't gratuitously dark, to be honest. Fairly certain this won't end up on Toonami, I can just see the firestorm when some parent buys this for the kid. Character designs and even some stylings felt rather anime-esque, some of the character designs were so lanky they felt like Peter Chung, and had some Leifeld-Esque muscles. God, one of the darkest American animated films I've seen, pretty bloody, kind of surprised they swung the PG-13. I thought threatening the kids was really over the line. Grifter in an animated movie in the DCU, how exceedingly odd. Though I'm sure post-New 52, it's happened in the comics and I just don't know about it yet. God, that was dark.

I'm always in for some Kevin Conroy as Batman, even though he only had a dozen lines. That moment with Thomas' letter at the end was pretty beautiful. Phalanx of storyboard guys, wonder if they really put a lot of resources into the production or what. Adam Van Wyck remains as manic as ever. Didn't feel as knocked out by the layouts and set pieces as I did in the DCAU days, but maybe I just miss Joaquim dos Santos' dynamic direction.

No extras on the stinking Redbox version, as usual.

RocShemp

I barely remember The Wild C.A.T.s so I assumed that Grifter was supposed to be an alternate reality version of Jason Todd (although I wondered why he was blonde).

As for his being a part of the DCU, Wikipedia says the following:

Rex Power Colt-Robot Man

Yeah Wildstorm got folded into the DCU with Flashpoint. Its why Martian Manhunter is hanging out with Midnighter now.

taffer

Vertigo got folded into the main DCU as well. So former Vertigo characters like Constantine, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Madame Xanadu, etc are in the main DCU now, and most of them have joined together to create the Justice League Dark, which is a more supernatural/horror themed version of the Justice League.

In the Flashpoint comic series, the main DCU, Vertigo, and Wildstorm are clearly shown folding into each other as Flash races to "fix" the timeline. Its not really shown that well in the animated movie unfortunately. Also, the comic introduces a new character named Pandora (who is later revealed to be the actual Pandora from Greek mythology) who is the one actually responsible for causing the three universes to fold together.

Also, if you thought the Flashpoint story was dark, try reading the Flashpoint: Batman Knight of Vengeance spin-off miniseries. Its even darker and better than the main story. Its all about Thomas Wayne/Batman and Martha Wayne/Joker.

fujishig

Err... Constantine, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and Madame Xanadu (as well as Morpheus/Sandman) all originated in the DCU... but you're right that they had Vertigo (or pre-Vertigo) series largely unconnected to the DCU for many years. And Constantine existed as completely different characters in the new 52 universe (a younger version) and in Vertigo in Hellblazer, before they cancelled the latter. But Vertigo still exists as a separate imprint, with stuff like Fables and American Vampire.

But yeah, DC absorbed Wildstorm like they did Milestone, Charlton, Fawcett, etc. before it.

PhantomStranger

I was also very surprised Flashpoint only earned a PG-13 rating. I guess kids these days are so inundated with violent videogames that the bar has been moved as to what is acceptable.