View Poll Results: What did you think of Man of Steel?
Up, up, and away! It was great!
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It's a bird! It's a plane! It was good. Not great.
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This is a job for...not really. It was just ok.
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16.15%
Can you read my mind? I didn't like it.
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10.94%
I'll wait for it on BD
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4.69%
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I was pretty tired and ready to go at that point, so maybe I missed something. It became a topic of debate with the group I went with later on.
I'm mixed on this. Clearly the folk at the Planet have to be in the know. Even though they saw Lois and Superman kiss from a distance, I'm sure Perry and crew can figure out who this new reporter from Kansas is. Perry definitely since Clark would have zero references and Lois looked genuinely surprised when Perry brought him in. So Perry must've pulled some strings for Clark. Would be interesting to see all of them covering for Clark when he's out being Superman.Originally Posted by IIG
Just need clarification on one thing: Spoiler:
I was pretty tired and ready to go at that point, so maybe I missed something. It became a topic of debate with the group I went with later on.
It's the military that has me confused. Sure they offed Emil (why even have him in this movie when a random scientist would have sufficed?) and Stabler (forgot Meloni's character's name) but Harry Lennix' character surely must be in the know. Which makes me question the whole "where I hang my cape" exchange. Unless Harry Lennix wants to know if Clark has more access to Kryptonian tech.
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I left. No fucking way. Call me a comic fanboy or whatever. I understand the need to take a character and "make it your own" but you have to, HAVE TO, let the core of the character remain intact. Weather this was resolved after I left, I'll never know. But the fact that this version of Supes is capable of that is disheartening. I dunno what the hell you all were talking about in the other thread re: Zimmers score. It was forgettable. Period. At least with the Nolan Batmans there was a recognizable main theme that suck in your head. This one is just ambient noise. The one good thing about this was Zod. From the actor and the characters motiviations and how it was set up via the way Kryptonian life was established was juicy.
That's actually something Superman did years ago in the comics. Except it was a bit callous and impersonal in the comics as opposed to tragic and understandable in the movie.Originally Posted by burnside986
Quite simply... I walked out. after Spoiler:
In Superman #22,
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Bingo!Originally Posted by bluetoast
Or you can consider that after this moment he was so conflicted, pissed that that's how he becomes the person we know, that will never kill again.
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Luckily Goyer didn't use the same military as Whedon...Originally Posted by robin2099
At one point I almost expected them to just nuke Smallville with how careless they were.
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Dragon Tattoo , 06-15-13 10:51 PM
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Okay, so enlighten me. Or do you prefer to just insult people who disagree with you?
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I'm really surprised some of you have such a hard time understanding this movie, because a Goyer script means each character clearly explains what's on their minds at the moment they're thinking it. I actually shudder to think what would happen if you'd actually watched a more nuanced film.Originally Posted by TBC
That's not quite true. Spoiler:
Fighting Superman personally was NOT his end goal any longer. He explains this. He actually says these words.
I shall refer you to post 526:
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Also, mentioning the collateral damage during their fight is a ridiculous argument, as is the "he should've taken the fight to a cornfield" BS. Superman wasn't there for the destruction during the first half and when he was fighting Zod, he was specifically trying to stop him from going on a genocidal killing spree. Zod didn't give a shit about physically hurting Kal-El (Well, maybe a little). He stated his intentions at the beginning of the fight. He wanted to wipe out humanity. Saying that Clark should've "tried to move the fight" assumes that he was, at any point, in control of it. He wasn't. Zod outmatched him and put him on the defensive during that entire fight. If he left, or even tried to, what would stop Zod from just ignoring him and just going off to kill people?
His primary goal was to commit genocide/wipe out humanity. Not to kill Clark/Kal-El. Clark attacks him to stop this. Zod states this quite clearly. So unless you think he's lying for some reason, there is no real argument here. He fights Clark because Clark attacked him to try and stop him from killing every human on the face of the Earth, no doubt starting with those left in Metropolis.Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo
I really don't understand what people think he was supposed to do. Handcuff Zod? Arrest him? Fly him into space? The Phantom Zone was no longer an option at that point and he literally had no other alternatives. Also, mentioning the collateral damage during their fight is a ridiculous argument, as is the "he should've taken the fight to a cornfield" BS. Superman wasn't there for the destruction during the first half and when he was fighting Zod, he was specifically trying to stop him from going on a genocidal killing spree. Zod didn't give a shit about physically hurting Kal-El (Well, maybe a little). He stated his intentions at the beginning of the fight. He wanted to wipe out humanity. Saying that Clark should've "tried to move the fight" assumes that he was, at any point, in control of it. He wasn't. Zod outmatched him and put him on the defensive during that entire fight. If he left, or even tried to, what would stop Zod from just ignoring him and just going off to kill people?
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There was an Originally Posted by joe_b
^ Amen to that. Color grading is a blight on the entire film industry at the moment.BTW, did anyone else notice that
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between him putting on glasses, and Lois's reaction, I think it's meant that the world at large won't recognize CK as SMOriginally Posted by IIG
There doesn't seem to be any consensus opinion on what's going on in that scene. From what I've seen and heard, the majority of people believe that Clark Kent was hired and accepted at the Daily Planet with no knowledge that he is really Superman. While that seems absurd, it's in line with what I thought I saw on the screen. I'll have to pay closer attention on my second viewing.
I think Pete did though during the smallville fight
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Wow, some of you haters are really fucking dense. It's pretty astounding.
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I think Pete did though during the smallville fight
I took it that only a select few are in the know. Those being Ma Kent, Pete Ross, Lois Lane, Perry White, and (possibly) General Swanwick. Other possibles are Jenny and Steve Lombard.Originally Posted by mikehunt
between him putting on glasses, and Lois's reaction, I think it's meant that the world at large won't recognize CK as SMI think Pete did though during the smallville fight
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Did anyone notice the "Wayne Enterprises" logo on the satellite?
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And the Priest in the church. Originally Posted by RocShemp
I took it that only a select few are in the know. Those being Ma Kent, Pete Ross, Lois Lane, Perry White, and (possibly) General Swanwick. Other possibles are Jenny and Steve Lombard.

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Wow, that seems unnecessary.Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Wow, some of you haters are really fucking dense. It's pretty astounding.
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I was watching for it as I read it was supposed to be in there. I don't know if I just missed it or if it's a blink and you miss it thing but I didn't see it. I'll have to watch more closely next time I see it.Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Did anyone notice the "Wayne Enterprises" logo on the satellite?
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Here's an interview with Goyer. In particular I liked his approach to writing the birth scene:
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62885Originally Posted by David Goyer
The first scene I wrote was the scene in which Jor-El and Lara give up baby Kal. And I said, "Alright, I'm going to write it initially as if they're not on Krypton. I'm going to write it generically as two parents that have to give away their son. The kid could be saved from the concentration camps... whatever." I just wrote it like that. And from the emotion of "What would it be like to give birth to your son, and then half an hour later have to put him in a pod and hope that he won't get killed?" I wrote that scene, and it felt emotionally right to me. And from that point onward, anytime I was writing something that was heavy science-fiction or involved crazy superpowers, I would write the scene as if Krypton didn't exist first, and then I would go back in and add the science-fiction stuff. That was the way that I found that I could make it make sense and relatable, I guess.
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Dragon Tattoo , 06-16-13 12:05 AM
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Huh, It's funny to hear that MoS is what led to the new costume in the comics.

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But we didn't add action once Zack came on board; in fact, we even cut an action sequence out. As big as the movie is, there was one more action sequence, and we just didn't need it. It was too much.
Oh man, I'd be interested in learning what this scene was that they thought was too much. But we didn't add action once Zack came on board; in fact, we even cut an action sequence out. As big as the movie is, there was one more action sequence, and we just didn't need it. It was too much.

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He mentions that as well:
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Initially, when the Phantom Zone villains arrive, they give an example of the kind of destruction they can mete out if their demands aren't met. That was a six or seven page sequence that was crazy, but we just felt it wasn't necessary.
Initially, when the Phantom Zone villains arrive, they give an example of the kind of destruction they can mete out if their demands aren't met. That was a six or seven page sequence that was crazy, but we just felt it wasn't necessary.
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Forgot about him. But maybe they'll say it was technically a confession so the priest can't say anything. Originally Posted by bluetoast
And the Priest in the church.

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It's on the satellite Zod and Clark fight atop for a few seconds.Originally Posted by Mike86
I was watching for it as I read it was supposed to be in there. I don't know if I just missed it or if it's a blink and you miss it thing but I didn't see it. I'll have to watch more closely next time I see it.
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This movie is clearly a homage to the DESTROY!! comic by Eclipse.
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Dragon Tattoo , 06-16-13 01:03 AM
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There's no such thing as too much action.
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There's no accounting for taste.Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo
There's no such thing as too much action.
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Bad Boys II is a good example of too much action. That felt numbing and really needed 45 minutes to an hour lopped off.Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo
There's no such thing as too much action.
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Oh man Bad Boys II. I saw that in a crowded theater so we were in the front freaking row. Sound was way too loud, and I remember a ton of bullet time headshots. Weird flick.
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Similarly, there's no accounting for cliches.Originally Posted by JumpCutz
There's no accounting for taste.
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Similarly, there's no accounting for cliches.
Your bootleg copy off Olympus Has Fallen is calling, run along action boy.
