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Supermallet 01-01-13 08:18 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I bought the plot and Schultz shooting Candie. It's clear that Candie disgusted Schultz so thoroughly that he couldn't help himself, on top of Candie getting the upper hand on him.

I think I need to see this one again soon.

asianxcore 01-01-13 08:25 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Wasn't it clear how much Candie was affecting Schultz?

Late in the film, Schultz after being found out by Candie, he has the flashbacks of d'Artagnan being ripped up by Candie's dogs.

Also in that scene (with d'Artagnan being caught) you can tell Candie's treatment of his slaves and his brutality force Schultz's hand to act a bit more rash. He clearly can't control his emotions.

It's a nice juxtaposition at the time, since Schultz is constantly reminding Django to control his emotions and remember why they are there and what they aim to achieve.

bluetoast 01-01-13 08:32 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Tarantino offers a bit of commentary on the scene where Broomhilda enters Schult's room.

http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.co...?smid=re-share

dhmac 01-01-13 10:16 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by asianxcore (Post 11523592)
Wasn't it clear how much Candie was affecting Schultz?

Late in the film, Schultz after being found out by Candie, he has the flashbacks of d'Artagnan being ripped up by Candie's dogs.

Also in that scene (with d'Artagnan being caught) you can tell Candie's treatment of his slaves and his brutality force Schultz's hand to act a bit more rash. He clearly can't control his emotions.

It's a nice juxtaposition at the time, since Schultz is constantly reminding Django to control his emotions and remember why they are there and what they aim to achieve.

The flashback to the slave being ripped up by dogs seemed like an editorial "fix" by Tarantino to me, like he knew the Schultz shooting Candie scene was a bit weak. So I think while editing during post-production, they threw in the quick flashbacks to try to make the scene work a bit better. (That type of quick flashbacks struck me as very un-Tarantino in style, so I wonder if he hated having to go that route. Of course, I could be wrong.)

Ringmaster 01-01-13 10:32 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 11523701)
The flashback to the slave being ripped up by dogs seemed like an editorial "fix" by Tarantino to me, like he knew the Schultz shooting Candie scene was a bit weak. So I think while editing during post-production, they threw in the quick flashbacks to try to make the scene work a bit better. (That type of quick flashbacks struck me as very un-Tarantino in style, so I wonder if he hated having to go that route. Of course, I could be wrong.)

Didn't you see kill bill 1 & 2? Tarantino uses the same flashback technique before the Bride goes for the kill to the people on her list, it's not new to Quentin.

dsa_shea 01-02-13 12:43 AM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I think Schultz simply hated Candie for being a scumbag and when he pushed the issue then Schultz couldn't walk away without having killed him. Maybe Schultz came to that moment of fulfillment then and was ready to accept his fate.

movielib 01-02-13 08:22 AM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 11523809)
I think Schultz simply hated Candie for being a scumbag and when he pushed the issue then Schultz couldn't walk away without having killed him. Maybe Schultz came to that moment of fulfillment then and was ready to accept his fate.

And the (probable, outside of movieland) fate of his friends, you know, the ones he was trying to save?

Groucho 01-02-13 09:19 AM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
4/5 for me. A lot of great performances, but I had some quibbles, mainly about superfluous characters:

Spoiler:
  • I kept waiting for some big reveal with the Zoë Bell character, but there was no payoff
  • The lawyer and the sister get a ton of screen time, and do next to nothing
  • The strange throw-away scene with the guy in the cabin who offers them coffee


I thought the film took a small dive after:

Spoiler:
Waltz and Dicaprio exited within seconds of each other.

Ash Ketchum 01-02-13 10:00 AM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11523974)
4/5 for me. A lot of great performances, but I had some quibbles, mainly about superfluous characters:

Spoiler:
  • I kept waiting for some big reveal with the Zoë Bell character, but there was no payoff
  • The lawyer and the sister get a ton of screen time, and do next to nothing
  • The strange throw-away scene with the guy in the cabin who offers them coffee


I thought the film took a small dive after:

Spoiler:
Waltz and Dicaprio exited within seconds of each other.

The "guy in the cabin who offers them coffee" is none other than Lee Horsley of "Matt Houston" and SWORD AND THE SORCERER fame.

If I had to rationalize the sister character, I'd say it was to show how the celebrated southern belles of myth (e.g. Scarlett O'Hara) supported the corruption and brutality of their men and allowed it to flourish without trying to end it or mediate it in any way. Besides, without the sister we wouldn't have had that great line Django says near the end:
Spoiler:
"Say goodbye to Miss Laura"

bluetoast 01-02-13 10:09 AM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
The guy offering them coffee was to show that after the training sequence, that Django is being treated as an equal.


QT: It's the only time in the movie [that] a white man has addressed him, aside from Schultz, who has not even mentioned his color and treats him with respect. Not even just respect -- he treats him as a professional. It's obvious they have become a true team. They are both invited to come inside and partake of the man's birthday cake.

HLG: You did that, not to say something about the sheriff, but to say something about Django's maturity.

QT: Three months were wrapped into one exchange. And you see now that he's a professional. And he's invited inside. He doesn't wait outside with the horses. And that's one of those really important things.
http://www.theroot.com/views/taranti...viors?page=0,1

Jules Winfield 01-02-13 11:58 AM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by movielib (Post 11523930)
And the (probable, outside of movieland) fate of his friends, you know, the ones he was trying to save?

Sometimes your emotions get the best of you even if you cool, calm and collected. I can see being irritated by the direction the movie goes but Schultz' actions are within the boundaries of being human. And I liked how it looks like Django might be the one to lose it due to various shots of his hand creeping to his holster but it happens to be Schultz.

movielib 01-02-13 12:02 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Jules Winfield (Post 11524166)
Sometimes your emotions get the best of you even if you cool, calm and collected. I can see being irritated by the direction the movie goes but Schultz' actions are within the boundaries of being human. And I liked how it looks like Django might be the one to lose it due to various shots of his hand creeping to his holster but it happens to be Schultz.

Yes, it's within the grounds of being human. IMO, it's not within the bounds of great moviemaking which this movie could have been.

GoldenJCJ 01-02-13 12:22 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
With all the explaining Tarantino has had to do in interviews regarding this movie, I wonder if he'll finally break down and provide an audio commentary for one of his films on DVD/Blu-ray.

Solid Snake 01-02-13 12:24 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ (Post 11524201)
With all the explaining Tarantino has had to do in interviews regarding this movie, I wonder if he'll finally break down and provide an audio commentary for one of his films on DVD/Blu-ray.

Why? People didn't get it. Their problem. He's got no reason to say anything more about it. Probably just irked him a bit and he felt he had to correct them.

GoldenJCJ 01-02-13 12:40 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11524206)
Why? People didn't get it. Their problem. He's got no reason to say anything more about it. Probably just irked him a bit and he felt he had to correct them.

You make it sound like Tarantino is an angry internet message board member. I don't think he uses the "haters gunna hate" approach to his movies.

He sounds like he genuinely wants people to understand the decisions he made with his film. Seems like something he may want to elaborate on with the DVD.

Solid Snake 01-02-13 12:50 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ (Post 11524230)
You make it sound like Tarantino is an angry internet message board member. I don't think he uses the "haters gunna hate" approach to his movies.

He sounds like he genuinely wants people to understand the decisions he made with his film. Seems like something he may want to elaborate on with the DVD.

I think you misunderstood my tone. That being..a flat tone.

To me it just seem matter of fact for Schultz to fuck up the way he did. Everything bubbled up for him. Though if he DID do a commentary for a literal film he directed entirely..I'd be game for that too. I just don't think DU needs one because people didn't get Schultz. I'd gladly welcome him to rant and rave about whatever the fuck he would on his films but for that misunderstanding I don't think it warrants him to buckle down and do a commentary.

Tarantino 01-02-13 12:56 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ (Post 11524201)
With all the explaining Tarantino has had to do in interviews regarding this movie, I wonder if he'll finally break down and provide an audio commentary for one of his films on DVD/Blu-ray.

That would be awesome.

inri222 01-02-13 01:01 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I would not expect QT to do a commentary to explain himself. He wrote the screenplay so he can twist it around any way he wants and explain it in whatever way to justify anything. I just don't buy it.

bluetoast 01-02-13 01:32 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Well, if you want a taste of one scene, watch the clip I linked to a few posts up.

sauce07 01-02-13 01:48 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
http://imgur.com/GbGYG

dsa_shea 01-02-13 02:23 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Why people want to read too deep into scenes or want an explanation for some of the actions in the movie is beyond me. I enjoyed the movie enough to see it twice but I sure am not going to dwell on every decision made during the movie.

inri222 01-02-13 02:30 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by sauce07 (Post 11524302)

Django was a righteous brother

and the Righteous Brothers wrote Unchained Melody

Holy Shit!!!!

bluetoast 01-02-13 03:41 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Nice! American Cinematographer just came in with a cover story on this. Looking forward to reading it. Just skimming through the pictures and already I'm impressed. 40'x40' frames fitted with light to provide moonlight.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8352/8...d11fb9a6a5.jpg

Mondo Kane 01-02-13 05:16 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by bluetoast (Post 11524456)
Nice! American Cinematographer just came in with a cover story on this. Looking forward to reading it. Just skimming through the pictures and already I'm impressed. 40'x40' frames fitted with light to provide moonlight.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8352/8...d11fb9a6a5.jpg

Damn! I had wondered why Django Unchained cost more to make than Les Miserables. There's a sample right there.

Getting back to the audio commentary discussion, I also wish QT would finally do commentaries for his films. On his Hot Fuzz track, he talks about a blooper-ish moment in Reservoir Dogs that survives in the film. No way would I have noticed it without him pointing it out. So even if he would neglect to talk about his screenwriting tactics, at least I would love to hear him point out random BTS tidbits on the making of his films. I wouldn't be surprised if he finally plans to record some while he's in "Retirement" mode.

Greg MacGuffin 01-02-13 05:21 PM

Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 11524357)
Django was a righteous brother

and the Righteous Brothers wrote Unchained Melody

Holy Shit!!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...screenshot.jpg


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