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Why So Blu? 12-31-12 12:06 AM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 11522114)
Spoiler:
Dr. Schultz must have been loaded because when they take the 12K from his wallet he still has a bunch of money left.
And back then they probably had those legendary 1,000 dollar bills (I suppose), which is why Stephen counted out a pretty small wad. No way was that 12k in $100 bills. Musta been thousand dollar denominations.

inri222 12-31-12 12:20 AM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
http://www.php-web-host.com/ckfinder...es/dr-evil.jpg

$12,000

Josh-da-man 12-31-12 02:53 AM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by movielib (Post 11522107)
Just a little point I found interesting.

I used one of those internet inflation calculators which said $12,000 in 1859 would be $296,000 in 2011.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
Wonder if this takes place in the realer-than-real universe or the movie-movie universe.

slop101 12-31-12 10:34 AM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Some of this nit-picking is getting more than a little silly. You may as well be complaining about how people don't actually bleed like they do in the movie when shot with a gun.

Dr. DVD 12-31-12 12:23 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11522353)
Some of this nit-picking is getting more than a little silly. You may as well be complaining about how people don't actually bleed like they do in the movie when shot with a gun.
Or get knocked ten feet backwards when shot with a pistol.

I am guessing in terms of how this story relates to the German legend:

Spoiler:

Django= the Knight/hero/Siefrit (sp?)
Broomhilda= Broomhilda ;)
Mountain= Candieland
Dragon= Stephen

inri222 12-31-12 01:39 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by movielib (Post 11521896)
I just saw the film and I read this thread up to your post, wondering if anyone thought the same thing as I did.
Spoiler:
I freaking couldn't believe it. A brilliant guy who had full control over his emotions goes full on stupid. It seemed set up to serve the ending Tarantino wanted rather than to serve the character who had been set up in a certain way. Really pulled the movie down a lot for me. I had already decided the movie was 3/5 before I saw your post and I will vote that way momentarily.

I also thought Schultz's elaborate plan with the Mandingo fighters was silly. I read that Mike Ryan article and I don't buy Tarantino's rationalizations for it. To me it just seems like lazy writing rather than trying to find something that makes sense to set up what you want for the rest of the film. I'm not sure how it could be done, but then I'm not a (usually) brilliant filmmaker.
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Also I believe in an alternate plot universe :

Spoiler:
Schultz could have gone to Candie saying he wanted a house slave who spoke German and made him a good offer that did not have to be $12,000. It seems to me that the whole point of that mandingo fighter scheme was simply used as a plot device to cause that huge ruckus between the characters. Maybe there is something missing script wise or editing wise that would have made this scheme work? Who knows.

bluetoast 12-31-12 01:49 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Perhaps they could have approached Don Johnson's character with a deal (since he's known for buying/selling women):

"We're sorry for killing those guys on your property earlier, but we were just doing our jobs." Then pay him to negotiate a business deal with Candie, front the money for him to buy Broomhilda and a few other women to make it seem legit. He gets to keep the extra women.

At this point Johnson's character would hold the cards, and maybe he's still pissed at Schultz and Django, or Stephen gets suspicious via some other tell and the plan could go awry. Maybe his women get killed, so he's left with nothing but wasted time. There would have to be something for Schultz and Django to do during this time, otherwise it would be them sitting around waiting.

On top of that, you'd then have Schultz and Django buying slaves for Johnson's character, which would be a dilemma for both of them.

I really liked the movie as is, but if we're suggesting different plans, then there are a lot of fun ways to think about it.

PopcornTreeCt 12-31-12 02:20 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 11522526)
Also I believe in an alternate plot universe :

Spoiler:
Schultz could have gone to Candie saying he wanted a house slave who spoke German and made him a good offer that did not have to be $12,000. It seems to me that the whole point of that mandingo fighter scheme was simply used as a plot device to cause that huge ruckus between the characters. Maybe there is something missing script wise or editing wise that would have made this scheme work? Who knows.
Tarantino explained this in a link posted a page back. I didn't think there was anything missing. It was in Schultz's nature.

inri222 12-31-12 02:40 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 11522586)
Tarantino explained this in a link posted a page back. I didn't think there was anything missing. It was in Schultz's nature.
Sorry but I am not satisfied with that explanation.

movielib 12-31-12 02:41 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 11522586)
Tarantino explained this in a link posted a page back. I didn't think there was anything missing. It was in Schultz's nature.
As I mentioned in my first post, I read that link. Just didn't buy it.

movielib 12-31-12 02:47 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 11522526)
Also I believe in an alternate plot universe :

[spoiler]Schultz could have gone to Candie saying he wanted a house slave who spoke German and made him a good offer that did not have to be $12,000.[spoiler]
Exactly what I was thinking.
Spoiler:
And Schultz probably could have offered, let's say $2000, and could have pretended to haggle as if he really cared and ended up paying, let's say $5,000 (the exact numbers aren't important) and Candie would have though he made the deal of his life.

Supermallet 12-31-12 02:57 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Wasn't the point of going through the whole deception was to get her for, say, $300 or something? They put together the mandingo deal, buy Hildy on their way out, say they'll be back in five days, and never return. Why pay $5,000 when $300 will do AND you get the red carpet laid out for you?

movielib 12-31-12 03:20 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11522632)
Wasn't the point of going through the whole deception was to get her for, say, $300 or something? They put together the mandingo deal, buy Hildy on their way out, say they'll be back in five days, and never return. Why pay $5,000 when $300 will do AND you get the red carpet laid out for you?
Spoiler:
I think the whole point was to get her. I don't think Schultz cared that much about how much it would cost (within reason). He was very wealthy and he cared about Django and Hildy.

dhmac 12-31-12 05:53 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I really liked this movie a lot, but totally agree with the critique that Schultz's actions in the handshake scene were completely out-of-character. It just made no sense that such a smart character would all of a sudden do something rash that was virtually guaranteed to be self-destructive. I wish Tarantino could've found a less flawed way to get to the final act that he wanted.


Adding it to my ranking of Tarantino's directing efforts, it would fall thus:

1. Pulp Fiction
2. Inglourious Basterds
3. Kill Bill, Vol. 2
4. Kill Bill, Vol. 1
5. Django Unchained
6. Reservoir Dogs
7. Death Proof (the Extended Cut preferably, but either cut would still rank in this same spot)
8. Jackie Brown

johnnysd 12-31-12 06:34 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I thought this was a great movie. However, unlike most of QTs other movies I really do not relish seeing this one again. For that reason, a week later I would say that I believe it to be one of his lesser works.

redrum 01-01-13 01:24 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
think Schultz was so pissed that Candie got the better of him that he couldn't resist putting a bullet in his heart

right now i'd rank QTs movies

1. Pulp Fiction
2. Django Unchained
3. Kill Bill 1
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. Inglorious Basterds
6. Kill Bill 2
7. Jackie Brown
8. Death Proof

dsa_shea 01-01-13 02:31 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by redrum (Post 11523297)
think Schultz was so pissed that Candie got the better of him that he couldn't resist putting a bullet in his heart

right now i'd rank QTs movies

1. Pulp Fiction
2. Django Unchained
3. Kill Bill 1
4. Reservoir Dogs
5. Inglorious Basterds
6. Kill Bill 2
7. Jackie Brown
8. Death Proof
I think it is less that Candie got over on him than it was that Candie was a despicable human being and he deserved to die.

Solid Snake 01-01-13 02:36 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
It was Candie being a horrible winner and Schultz being who he is. Candie put the cherry on top of all of what Schultz felt when he would NOT let go that he had to have a handshake. Candie wasn't letting it go.

bootsy 01-01-13 03:11 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 11522790)
I really liked this movie a lot, but totally agree with the critique that Schultz's actions in the handshake scene were completely out-of-character. It just made no sense that such a smart character would all of a sudden do something rash that was virtually guaranteed to be self-destructive. I wish Tarantino could've found a less flawed way to get to the final act that he wanted.


Adding it to my ranking of Tarantino's directing efforts, it would fall thus:

1. Pulp Fiction
2. Inglourious Basterds
3. Kill Bill, Vol. 2
4. Kill Bill, Vol. 1
5. Django Unchained
6. Reservoir Dogs
7. Death Proof (the Extended Cut preferably, but either cut would still rank in this same spot)
8. Jackie Brown
I like the way you rank boy.;)-rolleyes-

Anyway this is how I would rank his films probably switching around Kill Bill 1 and 2. I don't know how anyone could not have Pulp Fiction as number 1. It isn't even close, Pulp is his clear cut masterpiece, best movie.

redrum 01-01-13 03:14 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 11523331)
I think it is less that Candie got over on him than it was that Candie was a despicable human being and he deserved to die.
ya that didn't help his cause

PopcornTreeCt 01-01-13 04:44 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 11522612)
Sorry but I am not satisfied with that explanation.
Okay, that's that then.

Why So Blu? 01-01-13 04:45 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11523336)
It was Candie being a horrible winner and Schultz being who he is. Candie put the cherry on top of all of what Schultz felt when he would NOT let go that he had to have a handshake. Candie wasn't letting it go.
You are correct.

dhmac 01-01-13 05:07 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
It wasn't just Schultz killing Candie, but that afterwards, he did nothing to protect himself from the guy in the other room with the gun aimed at him. I would've liked it better if after shooting Candie, Schultz then turned and at least tried to kill the other guy before getting shot.

dhmac 01-01-13 05:13 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by bootsy (Post 11523360)
Anyway this is how I would rank his films probably switching around Kill Bill 1 and 2.
More of my favorite scenes in the Kill Bill movies are in Vol. 2 (all of the Pai Mei scenes, the "Texas funeral" scene, the Bride vs. Elle fight), so I prefer it even though Vol. 1 definitely is the faster paced and more action-packed part of Kill Bill.

Dr. DVD 01-01-13 07:05 PM
Re: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 11523441)
It wasn't just Schultz killing Candie, but that afterwards, he did nothing to protect himself from the guy in the other room with the gun aimed at him. I would've liked it better if after shooting Candie, Schultz then turned and at least tried to kill the other guy before getting shot.
I will agree with you on that one. Didn't he have two shots in that gun?


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