Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
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That's cool. Warwick Davis does seem like a decent guy and I liked the limited run series he did with Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant, Life's Too Short on HBO.
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Ironically, I remember picking up the soundtrack before the movie was released, and thinking no way would they give away the end of the movie in the titles of the last few tracks. LOL.
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I had the comic adaption beforehand, but I'm not sure if I read it before seeing the film. If I did, I still wasn't clear on every thing in the plot. On opening day, I had to go to the restroom during the big Queen Amidala decoy reveal and didn't really understand what was going on. Unlike most, I could easily tell the difference between Portman and Knightley in the film -- but I still didn't grasp what all the subterfuge was about (or if Natalie was actually supposed to be playing two different characters). Later, I discovered the whole royal decoy concept was just another idea Lucas ripped off from "The Hidden Fortress".
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The Graffiti script was a collaboration with Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck (the pair responsible for Howard the Duck). They also did an uncredited "comedy polish" on the Star Wars script, providing much of the humor in the finished film.
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That's nothing on the novelization of the original film, which came out so far in advance (six months) that many people thought it was an original novel and the movie an adaptation.
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I do wonder if they have anything planned for 2017 since that will be the 40th anniversary.
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That decoy subplot was handled so poorly in the finished film. It provided no dramatic tension to the plot whatsoever. The "big reveal" was just confusing and awkward. Everyone knew Portman was playing the queen going into the movie, so I'm not sure what Lucas thought he was doing. Fast forward to episode II and come to find out that even though she's a queen, she's actually an elected queen because for some reason Naboo elects teenage girls to lead them. Now she's a senator having been nominated by the new teenage girl queen? What? And despite Amidala being her "royal" name, she starts using it as her last name? Ugh. The original film worked so well because it was simple and relied on timeless archetypes with engaging personalities to drive the action. Why he thought everything in the prequels needed to be so needlessly complicated I will never know.
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The original comic adaptation by Marvel was done off a lot of pre-production artwork so Yoda was purplish and more spindly legged.
There's a scan halfway down this page
http://classiccomics.boards.net/thread/151/force
(there's also a picture of the humanoid Jabba the Hut)
There's a scan halfway down this page
http://classiccomics.boards.net/thread/151/force
(there's also a picture of the humanoid Jabba the Hut)
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
That decoy subplot was handled so poorly in the finished film. It provided no dramatic tension to the plot whatsoever. The "big reveal" was just confusing and awkward. Everyone knew Portman was playing the queen going into the movie, so I'm not sure what Lucas thought he was doing. Fast forward to episode II and come to find out that even though she's a queen, she's actually an elected queen because for some reason Naboo elects teenage girls to lead them. Now she's a senator having been nominated by the new teenage girl queen? What? And despite Amidala being her "royal" name, she starts using it as her last name? Ugh. The original film worked so well because it was simple and relied on timeless archetypes with engaging personalities to drive the action. Why he thought everything in the prequels needed to be so needlessly complicated I will never know.
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I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Palpatine's plan was in Episode I. He went to great lengths to keep Amidala away from Coruscant, even going so far as to reveal the existence of the Sith, yet five minutes after she lands in the capital, she gets him elected Chancellor. If he hadn't sent Darth Maul to Tatooine and Naboo, everything would've worked out exactly the same, except the Jedi wouldn't have the slightest suspicion that a Sith Lord was behind everything.
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Wow, so was the big reveal (I am your father!) included in those?
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I'll check tonight, I still have my old comic adaptation from '80.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
My mother said that she had the Vader/Luke reveal ruined by a review in the newspaper days before Empire opened. Wisely she kept that shit to herself because my parents took my brother to see it opening day.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
That decoy subplot was handled so poorly in the finished film. It provided no dramatic tension to the plot whatsoever. The "big reveal" was just confusing and awkward. Everyone knew Portman was playing the queen going into the movie, so I'm not sure what Lucas thought he was doing. Fast forward to episode II and come to find out that even though she's a queen, she's actually an elected queen because for some reason Naboo elects teenage girls to lead them. Now she's a senator having been nominated by the new teenage girl queen? What? And despite Amidala being her "royal" name, she starts using it as her last name? Ugh. The original film worked so well because it was simple and relied on timeless archetypes with engaging personalities to drive the action. Why he thought everything in the prequels needed to be so needlessly complicated I will never know.
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From the ESB paperback:
....."If you only knew the power of the dark side," Vader continued. "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father, did he?"
......Mention of his father aroused Luke's anger. "He told me enough!" he yelled. "He told me you killed him."
....."No," Vader replied calmly. "I am your father."
.....Stunned, Luke stared with disbelief at the black-clad warrior and then pulled away at this revelation. The two warriors stood staring at one another, father and son.
....."No, no! That's not true. . ." Luke said, refusing to believe what he had just heard. "That's impossible."
....."Search your feelings," Vader said, sounding like an evil version of Yoda, "you know it to be true."
.....Then Vader turned off the blade of his lightsaber and extended a steady and inviting hand.
.....Bewildered and horror-stricken at Vader's words, Luke shouted, "No! No!"
.....Vader continued persuasively. "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It is the only way."
.....Luke's mind whirled with those words. Everything was finally beginning to coalesce in his brain. Or was it? He wondered if Vader were telling him the truth--if the training of Yoda, the teaching of saintly old Ben, his own strivings for good and his abhorrence of evil, if everything he had fought for were no more than a lie.
.....He didn't want to believe Vader, tried convincing himself that it was Vader who lied to him--but somehow he could feel the truth in the Dark Lord's words. But, if Darth Vader did speak the truth, why, he wondered, had Ben Kenobi lied to him? Why? His mind screamed louder than any wind the Dark Lord could ever summon against him.
.....The answers no longer seemed to matter.
.....His Father.
.....With the calmness that Ben himself and Yoda, the Jedi Master, had taught him, Luke Skywalker made, perhaps, what might be his final decision of all. "Never," Luke shouted as he stepped out into the empty abyss beneath him. For all its unperceived depth, Luke might have been falling to another galaxy.
....."If you only knew the power of the dark side," Vader continued. "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father, did he?"
......Mention of his father aroused Luke's anger. "He told me enough!" he yelled. "He told me you killed him."
....."No," Vader replied calmly. "I am your father."
.....Stunned, Luke stared with disbelief at the black-clad warrior and then pulled away at this revelation. The two warriors stood staring at one another, father and son.
....."No, no! That's not true. . ." Luke said, refusing to believe what he had just heard. "That's impossible."
....."Search your feelings," Vader said, sounding like an evil version of Yoda, "you know it to be true."
.....Then Vader turned off the blade of his lightsaber and extended a steady and inviting hand.
.....Bewildered and horror-stricken at Vader's words, Luke shouted, "No! No!"
.....Vader continued persuasively. "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It is the only way."
.....Luke's mind whirled with those words. Everything was finally beginning to coalesce in his brain. Or was it? He wondered if Vader were telling him the truth--if the training of Yoda, the teaching of saintly old Ben, his own strivings for good and his abhorrence of evil, if everything he had fought for were no more than a lie.
.....He didn't want to believe Vader, tried convincing himself that it was Vader who lied to him--but somehow he could feel the truth in the Dark Lord's words. But, if Darth Vader did speak the truth, why, he wondered, had Ben Kenobi lied to him? Why? His mind screamed louder than any wind the Dark Lord could ever summon against him.
.....The answers no longer seemed to matter.
.....His Father.
.....With the calmness that Ben himself and Yoda, the Jedi Master, had taught him, Luke Skywalker made, perhaps, what might be his final decision of all. "Never," Luke shouted as he stepped out into the empty abyss beneath him. For all its unperceived depth, Luke might have been falling to another galaxy.
Last edited by Matt; 10-17-14 at 09:13 PM.
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Darth Vader tells Luke he's his father. . . and you won't believe what happens next!
Last edited by Matt; 10-17-14 at 07:11 PM.