Hilarious that Nolan only mentions the male talent.

Saw it early this morning. I enjoyed it though think I liked Avengers better.

It was really sad for me near and at the end, knowing this was the last of Nolan's Batman. A great trilogy.

I think I still liked TDK and BB better, all were great though.

While I agree a movie should follow it's own internal logic, I disagree that the police charge violated that standard. By the time the police are released from underground, there is no extra time to formulate a more tactical assault plan/gather some armored vehicle/etc because the bomb detonation is imminent. And frankly, there is no need for such planning. A brute force assault by a massive throng of police is the strategy there - to engage as much of Bane's resources at once so that the small tactical team can go find the core and stabilize it without interruption. It's definitely a gambit - some of those cops are going to die and they know it - but it's not reckless. It's really the only strategy they could employ.

That's a fair point. It was less reckless and more out of desperation. I can get behind that.

I will say though that I thought to myself at the time, "Why are some of those cops only carrying billy clubs???"

Yes, that does make more sense, but it is still hard to accept that they could be even marginally effective at such an assault, desperate though it may be. They have been imprisoned in the tunnels for months with little food and no means of hygiene. They would not be in the best of shape.

By that logic neither could have the guys in The Pit. Did you see the muscles on those guys? Where did they get the protein shakes to build up that kind of mass? Sorry Bruce, you can't get back into the best shape of your life without nutrients and the basic building blocks of muscle. Thats why in third world prisons they waste away to skin and bones.

Yeah, I was going to mention that parallel, but I didn't for fear of the inevitable reprisal from DragonBootsy.

I don't reprise legitimate argument. Just the random comments you seem to keep making, like implying that Fox asking Batman if he "remembers where he parked" means that he obviously deduced (based on absolutely no evidence) that Bruce somehow fixed the autopilot.

I notice you still haven't explained how you somehow leapfrogged to this startling conclusion.

I don't remember exactly what the movie showed, but it definitely indicated they were being provided plenty of sustaining food. With not much else to do, I would imagine at least some of them were spending time keeping themselves in shape. As for the assault itself, the only real advantage the police had was numbers. Bane's forces were never showed to number anything near thousands. Bane had superior firepower, but less manpower, thus the need to trap the police in the first place. Based on all that the movie showed, I didn't find it all that implausible that the police would lose some guys, but be capable of at least keeping Bane's men engaged in combat for the time that they did.

Sigh...

I can't believe I had to (temporarily) take you off ignore to respond to this nonsensical comment.

There is no leapfrogging. There was simple logic (a concept that obviously escapes you). In order for Fox's "remember where you parked" comment to make sense in the context that YOU claimed it did, he would have to have known that Wayne flew the Bat back to Gotham. If he knew that Wayne flew it back to Gotham, he would also have to have known how Wayne got it to himself in India, "via the fixed autopilot".

It is inconsistent for him to know that the autopilot was fixed in one context (the "remember where you parked" scene), but then NOT know later (when it was revealed to him as a complete surprise).

Having to explain such obvious concepts to you is too tiring. Back on ignore you go.

I saw the food loads, but were the police provided razors and washing machines too?

They showed food being provided, but "plenty"? That is very subjective. There were thousands of officers down there. We don't know how much or what kind of food was being delivered. But there is also the psychological effect that such extended imprisonment would have on those men. I stand by my assertion that they looked far too healthy when the emerged from the tunnels.

And, as an aside, why would Bane feed them at all (or allow them to be fed)? He already demonstrated a complete disregard for human life, so why waste any time preserving the lives of the officers?

No, he wouldn't. He could easily be referring to where Wayne parked it "before" he was kidnapped, while Wayne alone would know that he fixed the autopilot and used it to return.

Can't believe you actually had to have that explained. Having to explain such obvious concepts to you is too tiring.

[Dragon Tattoo]Isn't it obvious that you didn't even pay attention!?!??! I can't read this, it's too long!! OMG, you're not as smart as me!!!![/Dragon Tattoo]

I just thought since you had him on ignore, it was fair you see his response.

After watching this flick, I'm glad it's over for Nolan's dark, depressing and dreary films on Batman. The first one gave me a lot of hope for the franchise. Despite the raves I couldn't get into the second film. Didn't feel much excitement for this third one, which was dull as hell, lifeless, obvious and dragged on too long. Really liked parts and moments but just felt the film needed some energy. Also didn't like Bane at all as a villain. He belongs in a James Bond film as a secondary villain. I did like Catwoman and her story arc.

Thanks, you just made my day!

True. I'll agree to retract my "plenty" if you retract your "very little" and we'll just settle on some level of sustenance.

Fair enough. I didn't find it to be such extreme folly, but I agree it had a lack of absolute realism (like many other aspects of all three films).

I don't know. Like I said, I don't really remember what the context was when we saw the food being delivered. Bane did show a disregard for human life, but he also showed a penchant for torturing do-gooders. Perhaps he wanted to keep them alive and psychologically torture them with false hope, similar to what he was doing with Bruce.

This explanation is predicated on Fox knowing that Bruce was in a prison halfway around the world. We as the audience knew it, but did Fox ever know where Bruce was while he was gone all those months? He might've - I honestly can't remember.

DISCLAIMER: I'm just interested in the points of the discussion. My response is in no way an endorsement of the attitude Dragon Tattoo has displayed in this thread, nor of his untenable explanation about the Bat being Bruce's vehicle home from prison.

Agreed.

Agreed.

And... Agreed!

I love it when we can all get along!

Interesting point. It was never mentioned in their final scene together, but it isn't unreasonable to imagine Fox saying something like "Where have you been?!" and Wayne explaining his circumstances. In fact, the more I think about it, I can't imagine that subject NOT coming up, considering how long Wayne was gone.

Fixed.

Evidently.

Yeah, I don't think that's made clear. It would seem strange for it not to be communicated at some point between the two of them, though if that communication isn't shown, we just don't know. It doesn't really matter though. I think Dragon Tattoo's explanation about the Bat is bonkers.

So that there would be a movie, a climax specifically. Why didn't Talia immediately kill Bruce after divulging her identity and entire plan? So that he would "feel the heat of Gotham burning", right. Why didn't Bane's mercs just shoot Blake as soon as they caught him? So Batman could come to the rescue. Why did Ra's Al Ghul just leave Bruce in his burning mansion and order his men to make sure that "no one comes out"? Why not just smash his head in while he's stuck under that pillar and be done with it? So that there could be sequels.

In these kinds of movies you just gotta roll with this shit. They're not meant to hold up under intellectual scrutinity. You either buy it or you don't.