The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
04-10-25 | 05:26 PM
#126
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
Not if they finally cut the Shorts awards out. They have to relegate those suckers.
Also casting Oscar is coming next year, for 2025 movies. (Not sure who wins it in 2026, maybe Wes Anderson, maybe PTA. But in 2027, that's a lock for Chris Nolan)
Also casting Oscar is coming next year, for 2025 movies. (Not sure who wins it in 2026, maybe Wes Anderson, maybe PTA. But in 2027, that's a lock for Chris Nolan)
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04-10-25 | 06:17 PM
#127
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I guess we'll get Mission: Impossible - Actually THIS Is the Final Reckoning in another year!
04-10-25 | 06:22 PM
#128
DVD Talk Legend
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I'm going to need to see the "rules" for the Stunts category. Because they need to make sure the stunts are practical and not CGI-enhanced in any way - and you can't count on the voters to know the difference. At least not the voters after the nominees have been determined.
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04-10-25 | 06:36 PM
#129
DVD Talk Legend
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That's great news a stunt Oscar is finally happening but it sucks it's a few years away. If it started for this year I'm sure the new Mission Impossible would win. I wonder who would get the Oscars who won in the category? The choreographer of the stunts or performers putting their lives at risk.
04-10-25 | 07:39 PM
#130
DVD Talk Hero
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04-11-25 | 12:00 AM
#131
DVD Talk Hero
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I'm going to need to see the "rules" for the Stunts category. Because they need to make sure the stunts are practical and not CGI-enhanced in any way - and you can't count on the voters to know the difference. At least not the voters after the nominees have been determined.
04-11-25 | 01:19 AM
#132
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
They could nominate the stunt team or the choreographer as the representative of the team, like the producer who gets the best picture. It's a good way to get some nominations for more popular movies, without something stupid like "popular movie".
04-11-25 | 07:26 AM
#133
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All the great stuntmen and stunt coordinators have leapt off their horses at the holy gates. Today's teams are so CGI-compromised, such an honor serves no purpose. It's like creating an Oscar for hand-drawn animated feature. For Stunts, they should just give posthumous honorary oscars to people like Yakima Canutt, Chuck Roberson, Dave Sharpe, Ray Kellogg, Vic Armstrong, etc.
04-11-25 | 07:14 PM
#134
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
All the great stuntmen and stunt coordinators have leapt off their horses at the holy gates. Today's teams are so CGI-compromised, such an honor serves no purpose. It's like creating an Oscar for hand-drawn animated feature. For Stunts, they should just give posthumous honorary oscars to people like Yakima Canutt, Chuck Roberson, Dave Sharpe, Ray Kellogg, Vic Armstrong, etc.
04-21-25 | 01:27 PM
#135
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
No idea how this will be enforced, but it's a pretty significant rules change. Should really have an impact in the Foreign Language, Documentary and Shorts category.
04-21-25 | 01:37 PM
#136
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Ridiculous that this wasn't the standard. Likely was an unspoken expectation that slipped further and further from reality. Good, if they vote, they watch.
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04-21-25 | 02:22 PM
#137
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What? You mean they can't vote on something they didn't watch? That's nuts. [/s]
Just added proof of how ridiculous these awards are.
Just added proof of how ridiculous these awards are.
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04-21-25 | 02:53 PM
#138
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
So perhaps we get more entertaining movies, when people actually have to watch The Brutalist and Nickel Boys back to back.
04-21-25 | 03:41 PM
#139
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
No idea how this will be enforced, but it's a pretty significant rules change. Should really have an impact in the Foreign Language, Documentary and Shorts category.
https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/1914382288823181644
https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/1914382288823181644
The Academy announces all members must watch all nominated movies in each category to be eligible to vote at the #Oscars
https://apps.apple.com/in/app/academ...m/id1475572079
https://channelstore.roku.com/detail...screening-room
So they could require the films show as watched in the screener app, meaning that account screened that film.
Of course, that could chafe those that prefer to going to theaters, but they could do something like Disney Movie Rewards used to do with verifying ticket stubs.
Another option would be to have a simple questionnaire about some basic plot points for the film before the film could be marked as watched.
Of course, everything could be gamed in some way, but some of these methods would at least keep the honest voters honest.
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04-21-25 | 04:16 PM
#140
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
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I can see an argument to be made that maybe you don't need to watch all of The Six Triple Eight in order to come to the conclusion that El Mal is a better Original Song than The Journey.
From NPR :
From NPR :
Diane Warren has been nominated for 16 Academy Awards — 16! sixteen! XVI! — without a win, a slight that would be considerably more regrettable if more than a handful of her nominated songs were any good. (By my count, she should have two Oscar wins, for "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" and "Til It Happens to You," and about a dozen fewer nominations.) In recent years, she's essentially had a spot set aside for her in this category, no matter how obscure the film in question; this is her eighth year in a row with a nomination (!), and ninth in the last decade.
At this point, we can only assume that the Academy has made Warren a perennial nominee in order to ward off a curse of some kind; after all, the last time she wasn't nominated, a presenter announced that the wrong film had won best picture and chaos ensued! Surely, had Warren been passed over for a nomination this year, Sunday's Oscars telecast would make the New Year's Eve scene in The Substance look like a church picnic.
At least "The Journey," which rolls over the epilogue of the Tyler Perry war epic The Six Triple Eight, has a nice vocal by H.E.R., who defeated Warren in this category back in 2021. And it improves on the boilerplate uplift and/or defiance of many recent Warren songs, given that "The Journey" — which, make no mistake, is a thoroughly boilerplate song of uplift and defiance — could only work thematically in a film that contained a journey of some kind.
That said, this awards season has already seen the end of Beyoncé's album of the year curse. In a weak field, it's unlikely but not out of the question that Diane Warren could follow her lead, albeit far less deservingly.
At this point, we can only assume that the Academy has made Warren a perennial nominee in order to ward off a curse of some kind; after all, the last time she wasn't nominated, a presenter announced that the wrong film had won best picture and chaos ensued! Surely, had Warren been passed over for a nomination this year, Sunday's Oscars telecast would make the New Year's Eve scene in The Substance look like a church picnic.
At least "The Journey," which rolls over the epilogue of the Tyler Perry war epic The Six Triple Eight, has a nice vocal by H.E.R., who defeated Warren in this category back in 2021. And it improves on the boilerplate uplift and/or defiance of many recent Warren songs, given that "The Journey" — which, make no mistake, is a thoroughly boilerplate song of uplift and defiance — could only work thematically in a film that contained a journey of some kind.
That said, this awards season has already seen the end of Beyoncé's album of the year curse. In a weak field, it's unlikely but not out of the question that Diane Warren could follow her lead, albeit far less deservingly.
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04-21-25 | 05:41 PM
#141
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Oh hey, we have our answer regarding enforcement :
04-22-25 | 05:32 AM
#142
DVD Talk Legend
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The Academy announces all members must watch all nominated movies in each category to be eligible to vote at the #Oscars
04-22-25 | 08:46 AM
#143
DVD Talk Legend
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Oh hey, we have our answer regarding enforcement :
https://x.com/Variety/status/1914412252452802686
https://x.com/Variety/status/1914412252452802686
Here's how the #Academy will track what movies voters watch:
- Academy members will only be able to access final round ballots for categories in which they’ve confirmed they’ve watched all nominated films.
- The Academy will monitor viewing activity through its members-only Academy Screening Room streaming platform.
- For films viewed outside the platform — such as at festivals, screenings or private events — members must submit a form indicating when and where they watched the film. This verification process, previously used in preliminary and nomination voting for categories like international feature, animated feature, and the short film races, is now being applied to all categories.
- Academy members will only be able to access final round ballots for categories in which they’ve confirmed they’ve watched all nominated films.
- The Academy will monitor viewing activity through its members-only Academy Screening Room streaming platform.
- For films viewed outside the platform — such as at festivals, screenings or private events — members must submit a form indicating when and where they watched the film. This verification process, previously used in preliminary and nomination voting for categories like international feature, animated feature, and the short film races, is now being applied to all categories.
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04-22-25 | 08:47 AM
#144
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
Okay, but take last year : Say I can't handle body horror films. They churn my stomach. I don't care how good The Substance is, I'm not watching it. Should I not vote for Actress, Director, Original Screenplay or Best Picture now? Or should I grumble through hate-watching it just so I can vote for something else? I'd probably log in on my computer, start playing it, leave the room. I don't know if that really makes for a better voting body. In theory it should, but there are work arounds.
04-22-25 | 09:48 AM
#145
DVD Talk Legend
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Okay, but take last year : Say I can't handle body horror films. They churn my stomach. I don't care how good The Substance is, I'm not watching it. Should I not vote for Actress, Director, Original Screenplay or Best Picture now? Or should I grumble through hate-watching it just so I can vote for something else?
Yeah, there's always going to be workarounds, but at the least, people have to actively work to bypass the checks, instead of just passively ignoring the rules. It should keep most people honest.
04-22-25 | 11:23 AM
#146
DVD Talk Legend
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I thought they used to have some viewing requirement like this for the short films/short animated films categories. Maybe I'm misremembering.
04-22-25 | 11:48 AM
#147
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
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04-22-25 | 11:56 AM
#148
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Okay, but take last year : Say I can't handle body horror films. They churn my stomach. I don't care how good The Substance is, I'm not watching it. Should I not vote for Actress, Director, Original Screenplay or Best Picture now? Or should I grumble through hate-watching it just so I can vote for something else? I'd probably log in on my computer, start playing it, leave the room. I don't know if that really makes for a better voting body. In theory it should, but there are work arounds.
I think that the new rule is more about the members who will only watch a couple of the nominated movies and either vote for the ones they saw, or the ones they've heard should win. Like I haven't seen Oppenheimer or half of the other nominated films, but that's one everyone thinks should win Best Picture, so I'll vote for it.
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04-22-25 | 01:21 PM
#149
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04-22-25 | 09:13 PM
#150
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Oscar Rule Changes - Discussion Thread
I did a quick scan of the 2025 Oscars, and there were thirty-three feature-length films nominated across the major categories.
To me, that seems like one hell of ask for the Academy members to have seen all of these films. Most of these people are working in the industry and have long hours, crazy schedules, and location shoots, so it's going to be difficult for them to see all of these films in the time frame they're required to. Especially when the studios tend to delay the release of Oscar bait films until the end of the year.
And I doubt this is unique to the Academy, either. The time requirements also likely apply to a lot of other creative arts professions like television, stage, music, and books. And a lot of entertainment industry people are probably eligible to vote in multiple awards to boot.
To me, that seems like one hell of ask for the Academy members to have seen all of these films. Most of these people are working in the industry and have long hours, crazy schedules, and location shoots, so it's going to be difficult for them to see all of these films in the time frame they're required to. Especially when the studios tend to delay the release of Oscar bait films until the end of the year.
And I doubt this is unique to the Academy, either. The time requirements also likely apply to a lot of other creative arts professions like television, stage, music, and books. And a lot of entertainment industry people are probably eligible to vote in multiple awards to boot.