Jason

You have to understand, the smallest measurement of time on Stanley Kubrick's wristwatch was a half-hour. He just wasn't interested in being concise.

Jon2

I've seen both versions of Solaris and they both left me with meh. When the novel was published the basic theme was an old, worn out hat in western SF. Making a motion picture of this boring tripe didn't improve it.

Hugo Gernsback could have done better.

whoopdido

I don't think Mabuse was NECESSARILY ripping on your intellect. Maybe he was just trying to point out that our intellect and our accomplishments, as a species, mean absolutely nothing when it comes to the universe.

The head ape--I believe his name was Moon Watcher or something like that more or less became a king or maybe even closer to a God. He touched the monolith and learned how to make tools. To the other apes that was something totally inconceivable. He may as well had a 765 iq. Like I said, he was more or less a God and all he did was learn how to bash stuff with a bone but to the rest of apes he was brilliant. It was pretty subtle but absolutely genius of Kubrick to show the ape God throwing the bone that became the the satelite. 4 million years earlier the greatest technology in the world was a bone. The present time had all kinda of technology but that technology would soon become just as primative as Moon Watcher's bone. As primative as the apes were to the present day humans, the present humans were just as primative compared to the Bowman Star Child.

Even now we believe we, as humans, are the end all be all but in a few million years we will be considered just as primative as the apes from 4 million years ago.

Mr. Salty

No need to wait. There is already a lengthy, lengthy thread on one of the greatest classics of all time. Believe it or not, you're not the first person to want to discuss it. We've been talking about it here for years. No need for us to rehash here what has been covered so eloquently already.

Here you go.

And another.

And a third.

I never thought someone could make an entire movie about the lower leg, then Kubrick goes and does it brilliantly.

RichC2

I think 2001 is brilliant at its core but find the space acrobatic sequences to be a bore in this day and age (I grew up watching similar footage).

TomOpus

Numanoid

"Shh! You want to get sued?"

Paul1957

Please release a DVD:

17 lost minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey FOUND!


In the process of producing their now-canceled documentary on Stanley Kubrick's landmark film, Douglas Trumbull and David Larson have uncovered 17 minutes that Kubrick cut from 2001 just after release—in perfect condition.

While in Toronto to screen a 70mm print of 2001: A Space Odyssey, Trumbull gave a presentation that showed off a number of never-before-seen images from the Kubrick production that will make their way into Trumbull and Larson's behind-the-scenes photo book, now that Warner has pulled the plug on their ambitious documentary, 2001: Behind the Infinite—The Making of a Masterpiece.

He also let slip that Warner Brothers has recently found, buried in a salt-mine vault in Kansas, 17 minutes of edited footage that Kubrick cut from 2001 shortly after its initial release—and that this footage is perfectly preserved.

Trumbull told the audience that he has no idea what Warner plans to do with the footage, but I'd keep an eye out for a 2001: A Space Odyssey Redux DVD somewhere down the line.

http://blastr.com/2010/12/-17-lost-minutes-of-2001.php

Hokeyboy

Although this is old news, still...

Solid Snake

yeah...old news. Moving along...

Hokeyboy

Not even a little damp there Snake?

Nick Danger

Red x.

From what I remember, the reason that Kubrick cut the footage after the first viewing was that it communicated the boredom of space travel all too well. His audience got restless. I've read someplace that it's another ten minutes of Frank jogging. I would be happier if Kubrick's floor sweepings weren't pasted back into the movie.

whoopdido

I've come to realize that the vast majority of time footage was cut for a reason. I can't imagine how 17 extra minutes that the director felt was necessary to cut in the first place will make this movie better.

Solid Snake

Much like I said in the actual thread on the reason for the bump for this thread...I'd like to see the longer cut out of curiosity. Give me a branching method or at least gimme the cut section as a feature. I'd like to see it as a whole just for the hell of it. Just to...better understand on the cut through my own eyes and see how I feel. Granted...it's not the official cut of the film..but simply a version for curiosity on the change.

MR Round

I watched this once and I found it to be the worst movie I've ever seen mainly because of how long it takes anything to happen in it. if there was an cut down version that removed all the unnecessarily long shots it would probably be a good film.

JumpCutz

Groucho?

dhmac

I read somewhere that a large chunk of the cut footage was with Frank Poole's 2nd space walk to put the antenna unit back that HAL claimed was going to fail. It apparently mirrored the earlier space walk to retrieve the unit too much and seemed repetitive, so Kubrick cut it down and that space walk is now just a short bit before HAL turns the pod to attack Frank. Besides that, the other cuts are shorter segments here and there from parts through the film.

It would be cool to see all of the cut footage, but I wouldn't want any of it reinstated into the film.

Mr. Salty

And yet you own "Agent Cody Banks."

dhmac

As for anyone seeing the film for the 1st time and not thinking it's very good, this is one of those films that seems worst on the 1st viewing. On repeat viewings, it gets better and better as you figure it out more and get more into its whole vibe. It doesn't spell things out and requires reflection, but the content is definitely there.

kd5

Having read the book, I'd like to see the uncut version of the movie.

MR Round should stick with Agent Cody Banks... -kd5-

TomOpus

I would rather see just the footage. Leave the film alone.

Ghostbuster

I agree. The first time I saw 2001, I was put off by the slow pace. But the second (and third and fourth...) times, I knew what to expect and I was able to relax and watch the story unfold without bias. The build-up of tension, climax, and ending are masterfully executed.

The film is definitely a classic, but it's not flawless. (What film is?) The ape costumes are unconvincing, and even though the minimalist interiors of the ships have held up pretty well over the last few decades, they still look dated.

For people who would like to see some light shed on the ending, I recommend reading the book by Arthur C. Clarke. It's quite similar, and it goes into more detail. The most obvious difference is that many of the significant events in the book relate to Saturn instead of Jupiter.

Hokeyboy

MoviePage

Too many notes!

E Unit

Every time I hear people say it's not flawless, I tend to tell them they haven't seen it enough. The Sentinel is a short story, not a book. Well, it's part of a collection of short stories. I think Kubrick's tale is a bit more detailed than Clark's 3,800 word short story. And after all, Kubrick and Clark both wrote the screenplay for the movie.