Superman: The Man of Steel (D: Snyder)
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After seeing Shannon do an amazing job in "The Runaways" as the megalomaniac band manager I think he could be quite an interesting Zod, it'll be different from Stamp but there's nothing wrong with that.
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I don't see Zod speaking without an English accent. It will seem too unfamiliar IMHO. Why can't they simply re-cast TS? He's still alive and in good shape.
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I know from seeing some of his other work that he is a good actor, but that interview made him seem like an odd choice. I hope Snyder doesn't try to be funny and hip by making Zod a pseudo-comic bad guy. From the clip I would imagine Zod talking to Superman while eating a pizza and drinking a beer.
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I had to look him up on Wikipedia. The only movie listed (of the ones I'd seen) which rang any bells was Pearl Harbor.
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Terrence Stamp actually provided the voice of Jor-El on Smallville. He was quite good.
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Like the Joker in TDK, I'm 100% certain that Zod in TMOS is going to be approached in a much different way than the character Stamp portrayed.
And as iconic as Stamp was, it's a shame the character he was playing was embellished so poorly.
While its a great premise that he had a personal grudge against Superman's father, beyond that he was incredibly dopey. For someone that we are told is a bad ass general, his strategic sensibilities are never shown. His leadership skills not manifest. Besides being a bully what is there? How would a guy like that ever rise to the level of General? His stated goals (to 'rule) are nebulous and lacking any kind of quantifiable metrics or stated point.
Like Jack Nicholsons Joker, there is any number of ways to improve upon this character conceptually.
You could even ditch the personal grudge and still make him 10 times more interesting by showing him as someone who has a vision that is sympathetic and logical, is capable of leading, inspiring, rallying, strategizing...and then hinting at something darker and misanthropic or venal underneath.
If you listen to him talk about his audition, the scenes he was doing with Cavill sound like the two characters are interacting in a very civil way, or at least interacting in a much more substantial way than Reeve and Stamp did. How often in SII were those two actors together in a two shot?
Like Nolan with the Joker, I look forward to seeing them put a lot more thought behind this character.
Although I still wish they were doing a different character entirely.
And as iconic as Stamp was, it's a shame the character he was playing was embellished so poorly.
While its a great premise that he had a personal grudge against Superman's father, beyond that he was incredibly dopey. For someone that we are told is a bad ass general, his strategic sensibilities are never shown. His leadership skills not manifest. Besides being a bully what is there? How would a guy like that ever rise to the level of General? His stated goals (to 'rule) are nebulous and lacking any kind of quantifiable metrics or stated point.
Like Jack Nicholsons Joker, there is any number of ways to improve upon this character conceptually.
You could even ditch the personal grudge and still make him 10 times more interesting by showing him as someone who has a vision that is sympathetic and logical, is capable of leading, inspiring, rallying, strategizing...and then hinting at something darker and misanthropic or venal underneath.
Spoiler:
If you listen to him talk about his audition, the scenes he was doing with Cavill sound like the two characters are interacting in a very civil way, or at least interacting in a much more substantial way than Reeve and Stamp did. How often in SII were those two actors together in a two shot?
Like Nolan with the Joker, I look forward to seeing them put a lot more thought behind this character.
Although I still wish they were doing a different character entirely.
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Diane Lane dropped minor script details, from Coming Soon;
"I read the script under lock and key... I was locked in a room with the script and was only allowed three hours with it. I nailed it into my memory. I'm really excited. I'm really not allowed to talk much about it, I think, but it does cover the entire range of years, from infancy on."
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I agree that Stamp's Zod just came across more like a petty bully than anything else, but he gave off an aura of someone you didn't want to go beyond the simply bullying stage because he was capable of much more. Shannon's speech patterns in that interview make it look like his Zod will be more of a street bully than anything else, but I am sure he will change it to some extent. I don't see how Zod could have a northern accent and it be plausible.
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Also...I dunno about you guys but Shannon being Zod is a lot easier to take in than say Ledger as the Joker. The guy has done a variety of performances that could easily convince you of him being Zod. When Ledger was cast, I was surprised. I wasn't against it. I had never seen his other films (but I knew what they were) EXCEPT Brokeback Mountain and he convinced me that he can act. I personally didn't visually see him as The Joker but I was sure he'd give a good performance...it's Nolan..so...by that time Nolan had secured my belief in his direction. Well...not counting Katie Holmes, which I think was a WB move...cuz she did not look like she belonged there at all...this was before he had what control he has now.
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Are you serious? He's really old looking. Fighting a young Superman (Cavill) he get his ass kicked. Terance was young in Superman II. He's not a spring chicken anymore, sadly.
Reinvent Zod is what they should do in this new movie.
Reinvent Zod is what they should do in this new movie.
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More details, including a new female Kryptonian villain, courtesy of Latino Review;
Being that the "Man of Steel" is a reboot/origin story or whatever you want to call it, they will show you the whole story all over again. Well not the way Richard Donner showed you but it will have some sort of similarities to "Batman Begins."Here is what my source told me:
-You will see JOR-EL and his wife, Lara.
-Daniel Day-Lewis was looked at for JOR-EL and not the villain.
-Krypton will not be a crystal planet like the Donner film; this Krypton will PROBABLY look like the Coruscant skyline from Star Wars. (See image below)
-The Kryptonian villainess is not URSA...Well sort of. *The villainess is FAORA.
*In the movies Superman and Superman II, the female Kryptonian villainess URSA is based on Faora.
-You will see JOR-EL and his wife, Lara.
-Daniel Day-Lewis was looked at for JOR-EL and not the villain.
-Krypton will not be a crystal planet like the Donner film; this Krypton will PROBABLY look like the Coruscant skyline from Star Wars. (See image below)
-The Kryptonian villainess is not URSA...Well sort of. *The villainess is FAORA.
*In the movies Superman and Superman II, the female Kryptonian villainess URSA is based on Faora.
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Faora Hu-Ul was a serial killer born on the planet Krypton. A self-professed "man-hater", she targeted only male Kryptonians and ran a concentration camp where she kept other Kryptonians as slaves. Faora Hu-Ul claimed over twenty-three lives before she was arrested. Faora was sentenced to over three-hundred years of incarceration inside the Phantom Zone - the longest sentence ever handed to a female prisoner, and the second-longest sentence over all. As Faora was trapped inside the Phantom Zone, she, along with many others, survived the destruction of Krypton.
Faora was an expert at the Kryptonian martial art of Horo-Kanu, which utilized the pressure points on the Kryptonian body. This made her an extremely dangerous foe for Superman to face in hand-to-hand combat—he was forced to flee from their first encounter.
Faora was an expert at the Kryptonian martial art of Horo-Kanu, which utilized the pressure points on the Kryptonian body. This made her an extremely dangerous foe for Superman to face in hand-to-hand combat—he was forced to flee from their first encounter.
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Interesting article on Singer's thoughts revisiting Superman Returns
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...73H06M20110418
"Superman Returns" director offers mea culpa
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The 2006 movie "Superman Returns" was supposed to reignite the comic-book character for big-screen audiences and make a star out of unknown actor Brandon Routh. While critics praised the film, it underwhelmed at the box office, earning $391 million worldwide.
Now, with another Superman film in the works -- Zack Snyder's "Superman: Man of Steel," which stars Henry Cavill in the title role -- "Superman Returns" director-producer Bryan Singer says he made some mistakes with his own film.
"I think that 'Superman Returns' was a bit nostalgic and romantic, and I don't think that was what people were expecting, especially in the summer," Singer said in an interview with VoicesFromKrypton.com.
"What I had noticed is that there weren't a lot of women lining up to see a comic book movie, but they were going to line up to see 'The Devil Wears Prada,' which may have been something I wanted to address. But when you're making a movie, you're not thinking about that stuff, you're thinking, 'Wow, I want to make a romantic movie that harkens back to the Richard Donner movie that I loved so much.' And that's what I did."
Many moviegoers criticized the third act, in which Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) stabs Superman with a shard of kryptonite, but then the two characters don't appear onscreen again for the rest of the movie. In defending the scene, Singer said he tried to insert a religious analogy his storytelling, which was probably too "heavy" for a summer movie.
"I've always felt that the origin of Superman is the story of Moses -- the child sent on a ship to fulfill a destiny," said Singer, a producer on the upcoming "X-Men: First Class." "And this was a story about Christ -- it's all about sacrifice: The world, I hear their cries. So what happens? He gets the knife in the side and later he falls to the earth in the shape of a crucifix. It was kind of nailing you on the head, but I enjoyed that, because I've always found the myth of Christ compelling and moving. So I hoped to do my own take, which is heavy s--- for a summer movie."
Singer said if he were to take on another Superman film, he would do a reboot of the franchise by remaking the original and would make it a more "balls-to-the-wall action movie" with a different pace from "Superman Returns."
Despite the disappointing performance of "Superman Returns," Singer still says he's "proud" of the film.
"There are a bunch of movies I've made where I'm, like, 'Yuck, that was weak' or 'That could've been better,' and I can see why. But with 'Superman Returns' ... If I could go back, I would have tightened the first act."
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The 2006 movie "Superman Returns" was supposed to reignite the comic-book character for big-screen audiences and make a star out of unknown actor Brandon Routh. While critics praised the film, it underwhelmed at the box office, earning $391 million worldwide.
Now, with another Superman film in the works -- Zack Snyder's "Superman: Man of Steel," which stars Henry Cavill in the title role -- "Superman Returns" director-producer Bryan Singer says he made some mistakes with his own film.
"I think that 'Superman Returns' was a bit nostalgic and romantic, and I don't think that was what people were expecting, especially in the summer," Singer said in an interview with VoicesFromKrypton.com.
"What I had noticed is that there weren't a lot of women lining up to see a comic book movie, but they were going to line up to see 'The Devil Wears Prada,' which may have been something I wanted to address. But when you're making a movie, you're not thinking about that stuff, you're thinking, 'Wow, I want to make a romantic movie that harkens back to the Richard Donner movie that I loved so much.' And that's what I did."
Many moviegoers criticized the third act, in which Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) stabs Superman with a shard of kryptonite, but then the two characters don't appear onscreen again for the rest of the movie. In defending the scene, Singer said he tried to insert a religious analogy his storytelling, which was probably too "heavy" for a summer movie.
"I've always felt that the origin of Superman is the story of Moses -- the child sent on a ship to fulfill a destiny," said Singer, a producer on the upcoming "X-Men: First Class." "And this was a story about Christ -- it's all about sacrifice: The world, I hear their cries. So what happens? He gets the knife in the side and later he falls to the earth in the shape of a crucifix. It was kind of nailing you on the head, but I enjoyed that, because I've always found the myth of Christ compelling and moving. So I hoped to do my own take, which is heavy s--- for a summer movie."
Singer said if he were to take on another Superman film, he would do a reboot of the franchise by remaking the original and would make it a more "balls-to-the-wall action movie" with a different pace from "Superman Returns."
Despite the disappointing performance of "Superman Returns," Singer still says he's "proud" of the film.
"There are a bunch of movies I've made where I'm, like, 'Yuck, that was weak' or 'That could've been better,' and I can see why. But with 'Superman Returns' ... If I could go back, I would have tightened the first act."




But I'd still rather see Mr. Mxyzptlk...