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Extremely tough choice between Heat and The Insider, but I gave the edge to the latter. Mann took a subject that could have been dull and bewildering and turned it into gripping, thought-provoking drama, no easy feat.
Unfortunately, comically over the top seems to be Pacino's calling card, at least post-Sea of Love. As for DeNiro, I thought he was perfectly understated.
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two awful performances from Pacino and De Niro (one is comically over the top, the other is practically comatose)
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Extremely tough choice between Heat and The Insider, but I gave the edge to the latter. Mann took a subject that could have been dull and bewildering and turned it into gripping, thought-provoking drama, no easy feat.
Unfortunately, comically over the top seems to be Pacino's calling card, at least post-Sea of Love. As for DeNiro, I thought he was perfectly understated.
Unfortunately, comically over the top seems to be Pacino's calling card, at least post-Sea of Love. As for DeNiro, I thought he was perfectly understated.
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I'm not a big Michael Mann fan. I think he's vastly overrated. I voted Collateral because it's one of the few I find even watchable and enjoyable. Still not that great, however.
I have a little of a soft spot for Public Enemies but only because I appeared as an extra in it. I don't think it's very good.
The Keep is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, based on my favorite horror novel of all time.
I think Manhunter is pretty good and The Insider is watchable.
Sorry, I don't get the love for the overblown, underwhelming Heat at all.
I have a little of a soft spot for Public Enemies but only because I appeared as an extra in it. I don't think it's very good.
The Keep is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, based on my favorite horror novel of all time.
I think Manhunter is pretty good and The Insider is watchable.
Sorry, I don't get the love for the overblown, underwhelming Heat at all.
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I've always thought Heat marked the beginning of De Niro's still-ongoing "Just Don't Give A Shit" phase, where he was taking on roles not because they were challenging or quality parts, but because it's an easy paycheck opportunity (the better to shovel money into that sinkhole production company of his) where he can just go through the motions and most directors will be okay with that because after all, they've got De Niro.
But maybe I've been too hard on Heat. After all, it could have been much worse:
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But that's sort of damning it with the faintest of praise.
But maybe I've been too hard on Heat. After all, it could have been much worse:
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But that's sort of damning it with the faintest of praise.
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I've always thought Heat marked the beginning of De Niro's still-ongoing "Just Don't Give A Shit" phase, where he was taking on roles not because they were challenging or quality parts, but because it's an easy paycheck opportunity (the better to shovel money into that sinkhole production company of his) where he can just go through the motions and most directors will be okay with that because after all, they've got De Niro.
But maybe I've been too hard on Heat. After all, it could have been much worse:
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But that's sort of damning it with the faintest of praise.
But maybe I've been too hard on Heat. After all, it could have been much worse:
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But that's sort of damning it with the faintest of praise.
wow...that's like an amateur version of the one we got in theatrical film. Both of those scenes are much much better in the film we all know and love.
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After watching Thief recently, I'm changing my vote. It's not only one of the best crime films I've seen, it's also one of the best debut films, too. It's amazing to see Mann's trademark style in full display right out of the gate. I REALLY hope the rumors of a Criterion BD release are true.
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'Public Enemies' easily. Mann shed many of the common flaws in his films for this one, what a movie.
But I really like 'Thief', 'The Insider', and in spite of the lousy Al Pacino performance I really like 'Heat' too. What an epic. Best foley/sound work on a gunfight to date.
In a way though, Pacino toning it down in that final scene in the airport lights helped make up for some of the crap he pulled during the film.
EDIT: some NSFW language in the video.
But I really like 'Thief', 'The Insider', and in spite of the lousy Al Pacino performance I really like 'Heat' too. What an epic. Best foley/sound work on a gunfight to date.
In a way though, Pacino toning it down in that final scene in the airport lights helped make up for some of the crap he pulled during the film.
EDIT: some NSFW language in the video.
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He seemed so calm as a director.
Public Enemies was a snoozefest however i liked that the goodguy was more interesting than the badguy in these type of movies, just like in 73's Day of the Jackal which was probably not the intention but it's easy to make the cold slick hitmen be likable, it is tough to pull off the Dudley Do Right and have him be cool (and not resort to him having some sort of bad ticks).
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Michael Mann movies mean so much to me, that I can't really participate in the voting.
But somehow I never heard of LA Takedown, and didn't know that Heat was developed like that. Learn something new everyday.
But somehow I never heard of LA Takedown, and didn't know that Heat was developed like that. Learn something new everyday.
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I have to give some love to The Insider. Take a look at the subject matter of this movie, and realize how dull this movie should be. If handled by just about any other director, 3 hours watching a whistle-blower should be extremely bland. For this reason, I didn't even watch the movie until last year. But Mann takes this and knocks it out of the park.
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Perhaps, but you have to realize that actors reach an age where they can't find much work at all, much less good work. When you get old, you have to take what you can get sometimes if you want to work, especially in Hollywood. When you're a woman, that age where the roles start to dry seems to come much earlier, around age 45. So the men have it far better than the women.
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Perhaps, but you have to realize that actors reach an age where they can't find much work at all, much less good work. When you get old, you have to take what you can get sometimes if you want to work, especially in Hollywood. When you're a woman, that age where the roles start to dry seems to come much earlier, around age 45. So the men have it far better than the women.
Look at Paul Newman, he didn't just appear in junk in his later years. He was very picky and you could tell he cared about everything he was in.
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but for somebody like Deniro I think he could pick whatever role he wanted to.