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Old 07-10-10 | 02:21 PM
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Saw it last night & also thought it was just OK. Definitely not the 4 star & "great" movie people are calling it but certainly entertaining, however I liked Predator 2 better than this. If this was a direct sequel when it was originally conceived & had Arnold leading the team with a better cast it would have been an awesome film.

My biggest problems were what I figured they would be going in. The cast was just so weak, I just couldn't get past Brody, I can't accept the guy as this supposed bad-ass mercenary. He looks like such a wuss, there is absolutely nothing "soldier"-like about him. Topher cast in that role made it way too obvious where they were going with the character & the murderer guy was annoying as shit & the only decent guy in Trejo wasn't utilized at all.

Two, I think someone else mentioned it, it just felt like a PG-13 film. The Predators just didn't seem as menacing to me as they should have been.

Three, the Fishburn character was awful & kind of grinded the movie to a hault.
Old 07-10-10 | 03:35 PM
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This was alright, better than I expected. I gave it 3 1/2 stars. I was also confused with the whole revelation of Topher Grace's character at the end.
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First, it was annoying that his revelation was told from the point of view of the drugged up chick, so it was difficult to understand. Secondly, what was the deal? He was one of those psychotic, insane asylum killers? He liked the idea of being prey to these predators, felt he could relate to them? Therefore he attacked the rest of the group as if he were one of them?
That and I agree, Laurence Fishburn's character was a letdown. The CGI blood made it feel PG-13. Speaking of CGI blood, I don't care for it...practical fake blood all the way. Some horrible dialogue as well, but that's to be expected from this kind of movie. Brody's Christian "Batman" Bale impression was lame at times.
What I liked? I was never bored, it was entertaining. I really liked the idea of the
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two Predator races engaged in a civil war and one helping out Royce since he freed him. Also, the predator ripping out Walton Googins' character's spine out was the coolest death in the movie.

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Old 07-10-10 | 04:36 PM
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I dunno about it feeling like a PG-13 film. It wasn't non-stop bloodletting, but come on.
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Both dead guys (the one whose parachute didn't open and the trap setter), Danny Trejo's bloodied face, Walton Goggins knifing the weird Predator dog thing, Mahershalalhashbaz Ali getting stabbed, and most of all, Goggins having his spine and skull ripped out / Topher Grace's multi-layered comeuppance were all pretty bloody.

I admit that Laurence Fishburne and Louis Ozawa Changchien's deaths were robbed of some splatter with CG, but I don't think it makes sense to let those things override everything else.
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I dunno about it feeling like a PG-13 film. It wasn't non-stop bloodletting, but come on.
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Both dead guys (the one whose parachute didn't open and the trap setter), Danny Trejo's bloodied face, Walton Goggins knifing the weird Predator dog thing, Mahershalalhashbaz Ali getting stabbed, and most of all, Goggins having his spine and skull ripped out / Topher Grace's multi-layered comeuppance were all pretty bloody.

I admit that Laurence Fishburne and Louis Ozawa Changchien's deaths were robbed of some splatter with CG, but I don't think it makes sense to let those things override everything else.
Yeah, I don't think it should have had anymore gore.
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I'm really surprised that everyone here is liking the movie. I went in yesterday wanting to love it. But I just didn't.

For me, it only ranks better than AVP-R, but that's not saying much.

The setup was great and the one thing I was dreading (the predator dogs) turned out to be the best, freshest scene in the movie. I think the movie derails when Lawrence Fishburn shows up and it never quite recovers. I'm going to watch it again before I rate it. Maybe I was in a bad mood. But it just sucked (and I didn't even pay to see it).

For now, some observations/questions:

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1. Was the planet in the movie the predator homeworld or just a place they use for hunting?

2. What was in the cages with the parachutes? The predator dogs? Other aliens?

3. Was that weird thing that was chasing Topher Grace another alien species?

4. What were those structures where LF was living?

5. It was completely obvious to me that TG was going to turn out to be a serial killer. What other kind could he be?

6. How many predators were in the movie? I think I counted 4 predators and the super predator.

7. Did the super predator blow up his own ship? If it belonged to the other predators, how did he blow it up?


Some things that bugged me:

1. Danny Trejo dies too quickly.
2. The LF scene was 100% useless. I'll be skipping right over it if I ever rent this.
3. These predators weren't very menacing because they weren't very "hands-on." They seemed ok staying in their camp and sending out dogs or robot-birds. Then when they do attack, its mostly with their cannons.
4. I didn't see any predator using the double blades from all the other movies.
5. The tusks or jawbones they used to decorate their masks were lame.
6. Brody pretending to be Arnold at the end, with the mud and the dialogue was also completely lame.
7. Why is it that the predator mandibles only worked well in the first Predator? In all the sequels, the mandibles just flail around like the operator is drunk.
Old 07-10-10 | 06:19 PM
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1. A place they use for hunting
2. Most likely for the Predator dogs
3. Alien megafauna, possibly dropped there
4. Looked like a crashed ship from eons ago
5. I thought he served a different purpose; it was lame
6. Yep, 4
7. I'm guessing he did to ensure that Royce got killed, since he prob thought he was on board

1. Agreed
2. Agreed
3. Agreed, and there wasn't nearly enough of any of them
4. They did on the Russian guy and Topher at the end
5. Disagree, part of Predator lore
6. Very lame
7. Not sure, but they didn't bother me enough to notice
Old 07-10-10 | 07:10 PM
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I feel asleep. Very boring for an action movie. Went in with no expectations and left knowing i would never watch this movie again.
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
[B]My biggest problems were what I figured they would be going in. The cast was just so weak, I just couldn't get past Brody, I can't accept the guy as this supposed bad-ass mercenary. He looks like such a wuss, there is absolutely nothing "soldier"-like about him. Topher cast in that role made it way too obvious where they were going with the character & the murderer guy was annoying as shit & the only decent guy in Trejo wasn't utilized at all.
What? He was soldier like. No offense but...most soldiers don't look like Carl Weathers, Arnold, and Jesse Ventura. I love the shit out of the 1st one. A lot of us do. BUT realistically..the cast all looked as real as could be. The Russian was big and that's fine...he'd have to be to carry that damn gun.

I think we all agree about Trejo's small use of in the film. I didn't mind Grace's role in it. I already knew what he was before but the way he revealed himself could've been better.
Old 07-10-10 | 08:08 PM
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What? He was soldier like. No offense but...most soldiers don't look like Carl Weathers, Arnold, and Jesse Ventura. I love the shit out of the 1st one. A lot of us do. BUT realistically..the cast all looked as real as could be. The Russian was big and that's fine...he'd have to be to carry that damn gun.

I think we all agree about Trejo's small use of in the film. I didn't mind Grace's role in it. I already knew what he was before but the way he revealed himself could've been better.
Yeah I agree, and as much as I love Arnold, and the action hero's from the 80's, special forces soldiers would actually look more like Grace even... But then of course there wouldnt be too many attractive female special forces soldiers either, but Im not complaining.
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I like Braga. She's more average in a way, not that that's bad but...I could believe her to be who she was. I did enjoy how they don't have a romance. Just a level of respect in their hell. I really want to see what happens in the sequel. cuz...RR is interested in a sequel...

via Wikipedia:
Nimrod Antal has talked about a sequel and said he would love to do one. In fact, he and Robert Rodriguez have already talked about a potential sequel.

Rodriguez has expressed that he has interest in a sequel because of the large number of potential ideas the Predator planet setting provides; "There are so many great ideas... Just following Laurence Fishburne's character (Noland) around in a prequel would be a great movie. Just the tales he tells in this movie alone, I want to see those experiences... That's why I wasn't precious even about the original script I had, because once you come up with the idea of a Predator Planet, that Predators use as their hunting grounds and humans are involved somehow, the story ideas that you can come up with are so numerous that you can come up with any approach. So we already have several ideas that we can go with for a sequel. They would all be good ideas but we would probably put them together to see which one rises to the top, if we made another one.
Old 07-10-10 | 08:40 PM
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If Noland is their idea for a sequel, I hope they never make one.
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Yeah, I'm game for sequel but not for a prequel on Noland. I'm still amazed this film was 38 million. RR knows how to shit on the cheap and make it look good. If I were producing a film for him, I'd for sure love how he'd not make me worry about the budget.

On a more critical note....as I said being too much of a love letter to the original..really has a strong structure like the original. After that blazing scene w/ the Russian. The fight (
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with Hanzo and the Predator (maybe it's just me but...possibly it's the samurai vibe but...it really reminded me for Kurosawa..the way it was shot in a way)really from there on through the end has a structure very and possibly TOO similar to the original. His moment mirrors Billy's and end from the original, this time though we see how he stands against it. Then Brody goes Arnold on the Predator. Even earlier on the moment where they roll down and fall into the waterfall. It was a good moment but I swear if a Predator jumped in, regardless of how cool I might think it, it'd be too much homage to the original.


again..I loved it, can't wait for the BD.

Interesting news on what could have been as an ending...
Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Predators" Cameo Revealed
When the "Predators" reboot was still in the early stages, there were talks of bringing Arnold Schwarzenegger for the part that eventually went to Laurence Fishburne. But according to JoBlo, that role was meant for Danny Glover, who would have reprised his role from "Predators 2."

The site added that Schwarzenegger would have simply been used for the very last scene of the movie and has always been labeled an "alternate ending," with the hopes that the governor would accept the offer.

MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD:

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The scene would have had the human survivors sitting bloody and beaten in the jungle.
The silence is interrupted by a vibration that grows until it sounds like a freight train is bearing down on them. Once the dust cloud settles, a Predator is is revealed.

The door opens and dozens of Predators file out. The humans are screwed now. There's nowhere to run and even if there was, they don't have the energy for any more fighting. The Predators don't attack but part with two single-file lines on each side of the door. Their leader, with armor covered in "trophies," exits and walks towards them. He slowly removes his helmet to reveal... DUTCH (Schwarzenegger). "Not bad kid...not bad at all," he says. SMASH TO BLACK.

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Eh, for this kind of movie 38 million seems about right. Was I the only one underwhelmed by the Hanzo vs Predator sword battle? It just didn't seem as epic as I thought it would be. Both Hanzo's and the Predators blade movements were lame, they both looked like they just picked up a sword for the first time. I expected Hanzo to be a lot more bad ass in that scene also. It didn't blend well with the next scene as well, it honestly felt like a deleted scene.

Edit: That ending with Arnold would have been lame. A forced and unneeded cameo. Glade he turned it down.

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Saw it. I give it 3 stars. It was decent, but I didn't find it particularly great and doesn't come close to the first movie. As far as summer action movies go, it's far below A-Team as far as fun and enjoyability for me.

I think a lot of it is because of Topher Grace and Laurence Fishburne's characters. I hated both, and they both ended up feeling like a giant waste of time. I thought it was far too rushed for Noland to be introduced and then chalked up as crazy in that period of time, making those 15 minutes or so just silly. And count me in as another guy who was confused at first with Topher's speech and actions at the end.

The action was also a let down for me; I agree that the Yakuza guy's fight ended up being a lot weaker then I expected. I guess it was a lot more "true" to a nobel fight, but taking 3 or 4 quiet swipes at each other and watching both fall came off as weak to me. I was also hoping the other Predator that was freed at the end would do a little more; he kind of went out weakly as well.

The only reason I actually still liked the movie was because of Brody; totally disagree with the negatives about his character. I thought he did a fantastic job, and glad that his lead role was also the most interesting to follow.
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The Schwarzenegger cameo ending would have been great and made sense with Danny Glover.
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The only reason I actually still liked the movie was because of Brody; totally disagree with the negatives about his character. I thought he did a fantastic job, and glad that his lead role was also the most interesting to follow.
Yeah, Brody deserves major props for his work. He was a believable action hero. I liked him in "King Kong" as well, but was concerned he could never be a convincing badass. He proved me wrong, big time.
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Originally Posted by Draven
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She was privy to the Arnold's debrief from the first movie. I thought she said she was with the CIA early on (did she say "agency?" I can't remember)
Yeah I seem to remember her saying it in the promos but not the actual film. But I could have missed it.


I thought the
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was an interesting tidbit.
Same here.
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The Blood Feud concept was interesting.
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I think they meant the original design Predator, not the same exact character.

Agreed. In the credits
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Yeah, I'm game for sequel but not for a prequel on Noland. I'm still amazed this film was 38 million. RR knows how to shit on the cheap and make it look good. If I were producing a film for him, I'd for sure love how he'd not make me worry about the budget.

On a more critical note....as I said being too much of a love letter to the original..really has a strong structure like the original. After that blazing scene w/ the Russian. The fight (
Spoiler:
with Hanzo and the Predator (maybe it's just me but...possibly it's the samurai vibe but...it really reminded me for Kurosawa..the way it was shot in a way)


Interesting news on what could have been as an ending...
Same here.
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It reminded me of the fight in the field in "Seven Samurai". When Hanzo did those 2 specific attack stances, my mind went right to that scene.
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I liked it but didn't love it. That said I think it will grow on me with repeated viewings. B+

I loved how the
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Mexican and the African were the 1st to go.
God Damn Hollywood cliches
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I liked it. Surprisingly thought it was pretty well done. Adrien Brody did a good job except for that part at the end when he was mimicking Arnie w/ the mud.
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The Schwarzenegger cameo ending would have been great and made sense with Danny Glover.
Completely agree, to the point that the movie fails because it's not in there.

I liked it, thought it had some great ideas, the cast was great, and it did a pretty good balancing act with the comedy but it really falls apart on it's own standards IMO:

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I really liked the Laurence Fishburne (he was great in this) character because of what he represents specifically to Adrian Brody's character. In the beginning, Brody was the one who knew what was going on the most, identifying the tactics and hatching ideas to keep them alive. The problem with all of this is that Fishburne is a cautionary tale of what happens if you just try to survive as opposed to trying to leave. He even states that in all the time there, he never thought to commandeer the Predator ship. So when Brody goes to free the other Predator, who could have been a trap or wouldn't agree to fly him out, the whole point is moot because they end up being stuck there with no more ammo and more predators/alien prey coming.

The movie needed an ending that ensured their survival if they weren't going to be killed in a pyrrhic-victory. The way it ended worked in the first one because it was still Earth.


There were also little things that should have been explained a bit more like the differences in Predators vis-a-vis hunting and what-not.

Will definitely be eager to see another film from these guys though, they get the mythos.
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It was pretty good, but not nearly as fun as A-Team. I thought it was a bit light on action as well. As others have said, the movie hits a wall once Fishburne's character is introduced. That completely destroys the pacing, which works well outside of those 15 minutes. I liked how the film gets going right away with all the drops. I also liked Brody's character. I didn't mind his Ah-nuld sequence at the end. The chick said mud is effective, so that's what he put on. And I liked how he used the surrounding fires to blind the Predator while making his attacks.

Good to see the classic Predator design and I also liked the new version. It was much better than those awful ones we got in the first AvP movie. I hated those Predator designs. They looked too short and stocky.

The first reveal of the Predators once they enter their camp was a good sequence, but it ended way too quickly.

Someone can fill me in, but did I miss the scene from the trailer where Brody's character has all the little red target dots on him? I thought it was in the movie, but they only showed 1 of them. In the trailer, there's a bunch of targets on him.

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That was an embellishment for the trailer. It doesn't exist in the film.
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That was an embellishment for the trailer. It doesn't exist in the film.
I thought that was just fucking stupid to have in the trailer.


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