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#76
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is what director Samuel Bayer thinks of anybody who didn't like the film.
http://www.fangoria.com/index.php?op...ews&Itemid=167
Originally Posted by Samuel Bayer
“Look, I’m gonna catch a lot of heat for this,” he begins. “But some of these fans on the web should just get up, stretch, breathe, go outside and get some fresh air, maybe get a girlfriend and just get a life. They should see the movie and make up their own minds.”
#77
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
I saw it and hated just about every single thing about it from start to finish. After I noticed it was getting blasted in reviews, lower than most other horror remakes, I wasn't even going to bother ever watching it. The only reason that changed is because I got the free ticket for it when I bought the original on BD.
Things I liked:
-Jackie Earle Haley's performance in the flashbacks. The guy is a solid actor, so it would have been pretty hard for them to screw up those flashbacks of Freddy Krueger back when he was still human.
-This will sound tiny, and it is, but since I'm such a fan of the original and the character whenever I just saw the outline of Freddy Krueger standing in the shadows, the hat and the glove and all of that, I couldn't help at least start thinking there was at least hope for the picture. Sadly, that didn't last long.
Things I hated:
-The new look of Freddy Krueger. The makeup was just awful, applied in such a way where Haley couldn't hardly convey any emotion at all. All I could see the entire time was Voldemort on Halloween dressed up as his version of Freddy Krueger, badly done at that.
-How they made Freddy Krueger a straight up child molester instead of a killer. Do we really need to find a stash of pictures of him screwing around with children, even if they didn't hardly show them on camera?
-How they tried to make you doubt Freddy Krueger was actually guilty of his original crimes. Doing so totally cut the balls off of the character until the final scene. Sure, he obviously did bad things throughout the entire movie, but they couldn't let him go all out with his evil until they revealed that he was, in fact, guilty at the very end of the movie.
-The CGI used for the "coming out of the wall" scene. If ever there was a perfect example of how much more effective more traditional effects can be over CGI, that scene was it. Just awful, so bad.
-Oh the acting, the horrible acting. This was WB TV quality of stuff, soap operas for teens stuff. Do they even bother having casting sessions for these roles anymore?
-Kyle Gallner, the tool who played Quentin. I hate that actor, so much. No matter what roll it is, when I see him I just have an urge to beat him down with a tire iron. Ironically enough this was about the perfect roll for him considering he always looks like he hasn't slept in days, either that or he's battling one heck of a round of constipation.
-The girl who played Kris. Was her character a girl who has failed a grade in high school for over ten years resulting in her being 30+ and still in high school? Cause she looks like she should be playing a lawyer on a bad TV show, not a high school student.
-Rooney Mara as Nancy = one of the biggest miscasts that I can remember in recent years.
-The parents in the film, all of them but especially the moms, just some of the worst acting in a major film in years.
-This was one of the least suspenseful horror films ever. Sure, it had jump scares a plenty, but I got to the point where I fully expected it, knew they were coming, and it didn't fail me. I don't care what horror movie it is, but when the only scares or suspense in the entire movie comes from jump scares, it just pisses me off. It's the horror equivalent of a fart joke in a comedy to me.
-And how about that ending, I mean really. How long did that entire thing last? A minute or two? It sure wasn't long enough to build to anything at all, that's for sure. Pull him into the real world, almost instantly cut off his hand then slice his neck, and BAM, that's it. I know it doesn't do much good to compare it to the original, but the ending sequence in the original was at least 7-10 minutes long, actually was suspenseful and totally played with your mind.
-There was no depth to this flick, no heart, totally soulless. It didn't have anything in it to at least try to mess with your mind, as mentioned above.
-And above all else just about would be just how little the entire movie made me care for the characters. I certainly didn't buy into any of the relationships between any of them or care when any of them died or feel suspense when they were in danger. Now I'd really like to say that it at least made me want to see Freddy kill all of them since I didn't care about the characters, but it didn't even do that for me. The Freddy in this movie was so ineffective that I couldn't even find it in myself to root for that.
That's not all, but I'm tired of even thinking about it. To me this movie summed up everything that is wrong with horror today. I'm so glad I read reviews before going in, because the last trailer I think it was got me excited to see this one. If I had went in with any sort of thinking that I just may get something good, then my God, I would have been even more let down than I was.
I wish they had just went ahead and produced the Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash movie, had Ash kill off both characters once and for all, produce one final Evil Dead flick, and then leave all three of the franchises in film history.
I just don't understand how it's possible to screw up this concept in the way that they did here.
Things I liked:
-Jackie Earle Haley's performance in the flashbacks. The guy is a solid actor, so it would have been pretty hard for them to screw up those flashbacks of Freddy Krueger back when he was still human.
-This will sound tiny, and it is, but since I'm such a fan of the original and the character whenever I just saw the outline of Freddy Krueger standing in the shadows, the hat and the glove and all of that, I couldn't help at least start thinking there was at least hope for the picture. Sadly, that didn't last long.
Things I hated:
-The new look of Freddy Krueger. The makeup was just awful, applied in such a way where Haley couldn't hardly convey any emotion at all. All I could see the entire time was Voldemort on Halloween dressed up as his version of Freddy Krueger, badly done at that.
-How they made Freddy Krueger a straight up child molester instead of a killer. Do we really need to find a stash of pictures of him screwing around with children, even if they didn't hardly show them on camera?
-How they tried to make you doubt Freddy Krueger was actually guilty of his original crimes. Doing so totally cut the balls off of the character until the final scene. Sure, he obviously did bad things throughout the entire movie, but they couldn't let him go all out with his evil until they revealed that he was, in fact, guilty at the very end of the movie.
-The CGI used for the "coming out of the wall" scene. If ever there was a perfect example of how much more effective more traditional effects can be over CGI, that scene was it. Just awful, so bad.
-Oh the acting, the horrible acting. This was WB TV quality of stuff, soap operas for teens stuff. Do they even bother having casting sessions for these roles anymore?
-Kyle Gallner, the tool who played Quentin. I hate that actor, so much. No matter what roll it is, when I see him I just have an urge to beat him down with a tire iron. Ironically enough this was about the perfect roll for him considering he always looks like he hasn't slept in days, either that or he's battling one heck of a round of constipation.
-The girl who played Kris. Was her character a girl who has failed a grade in high school for over ten years resulting in her being 30+ and still in high school? Cause she looks like she should be playing a lawyer on a bad TV show, not a high school student.
-Rooney Mara as Nancy = one of the biggest miscasts that I can remember in recent years.
-The parents in the film, all of them but especially the moms, just some of the worst acting in a major film in years.
-This was one of the least suspenseful horror films ever. Sure, it had jump scares a plenty, but I got to the point where I fully expected it, knew they were coming, and it didn't fail me. I don't care what horror movie it is, but when the only scares or suspense in the entire movie comes from jump scares, it just pisses me off. It's the horror equivalent of a fart joke in a comedy to me.
-And how about that ending, I mean really. How long did that entire thing last? A minute or two? It sure wasn't long enough to build to anything at all, that's for sure. Pull him into the real world, almost instantly cut off his hand then slice his neck, and BAM, that's it. I know it doesn't do much good to compare it to the original, but the ending sequence in the original was at least 7-10 minutes long, actually was suspenseful and totally played with your mind.
-There was no depth to this flick, no heart, totally soulless. It didn't have anything in it to at least try to mess with your mind, as mentioned above.
-And above all else just about would be just how little the entire movie made me care for the characters. I certainly didn't buy into any of the relationships between any of them or care when any of them died or feel suspense when they were in danger. Now I'd really like to say that it at least made me want to see Freddy kill all of them since I didn't care about the characters, but it didn't even do that for me. The Freddy in this movie was so ineffective that I couldn't even find it in myself to root for that.
That's not all, but I'm tired of even thinking about it. To me this movie summed up everything that is wrong with horror today. I'm so glad I read reviews before going in, because the last trailer I think it was got me excited to see this one. If I had went in with any sort of thinking that I just may get something good, then my God, I would have been even more let down than I was.
I wish they had just went ahead and produced the Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash movie, had Ash kill off both characters once and for all, produce one final Evil Dead flick, and then leave all three of the franchises in film history.
I just don't understand how it's possible to screw up this concept in the way that they did here.
Last edited by Brent L; 05-03-10 at 06:12 PM.
#78
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Originally Posted by Samuel Bayer
“Look, I’m gonna catch a lot of heat for this,” he begins. “But some of these fans on the web should just get up, stretch, breathe, go outside and get some fresh air, maybe get a girlfriend and just get a life. They should see the movie and make up their own minds.”
“Look, I’m gonna catch a lot of heat for this,” he begins. “But some of these fans on the web should just get up, stretch, breathe, go outside and get some fresh air, maybe get a girlfriend and just get a life. They should see the movie and make up their own minds.”
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Originally Posted by Samuel Bayer
“Look, I’m gonna catch a lot of heat for this,” he begins. “But some of these fans on the web should just get up, stretch, breathe, go outside and get some fresh air, maybe get a girlfriend and just get a life. They should see the movie and make up their own minds.”
“Look, I’m gonna catch a lot of heat for this,” he begins. “But some of these fans on the web should just get up, stretch, breathe, go outside and get some fresh air, maybe get a girlfriend and just get a life. They should see the movie and make up their own minds.”
By the way, I did get up today, I stretched and breathed as I normally do, I went on my daily hour-long hike and had fresh air and lots of sun, I do have a girlfriend, and have a very busy life, including my own business and lots of friends. And I saw your boring, bland movie over the weekend and I made up my own mind that it sucked. So stop being a baby and accept you have no talent instead of blaming the people who forked out $14 to see such a shoddy piece of turd. Heck, watching a dog's turd for 95 minutes may have been more exciting.
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#80
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That quote there by Samuel Bayer says all you need to know about him and why his movie sucks so, so much. He just goes hand in hand with Michael Bay, the exact same kind of douchebag. Didn't Bay recently (as in the last few years) say pretty much the same thing about one of his movies?
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Bay pretty much said "Fuck you, look at all this money I made!" to everyone who didn't like Transformers 2. Makes total sense to me that his hand-picked director for this POS remake would act the same way. Birds of a feather, right?
#83
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
I do not currently have a girlfriend, but I can say that I didn't go to this movie, think it was pretty good, but then realize "Shit, I'm not getting laid tonight....FUCK THIS MOVIE!". I can understand someone being upset with a negative reaction to something they worked hard on, but you need to have a thick skin. A thicker skin if you're going to make a genre movie as genre fans are that much more passionate and vocal about the movies they see. But if the best thing this director can do to answer the criticisms of his movie is deflect, then that should say all you need to know.
#84
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
-How they made Freddy Krueger a straight up child molester instead of a killer. Do we really need to find a stash of pictures of him screwing around with children, even if they didn't hardly show them on camera?
-How they tried to make you doubt Freddy Krueger was actually guilty of his original crimes. Doing so totally cut the balls off of the character until the final scene. Sure, he obviously did bad things throughout the entire movie, but they couldn't let him go all out with his evil until they revealed that he was, in fact, guilty at the very end of the movie.
-How they tried to make you doubt Freddy Krueger was actually guilty of his original crimes. Doing so totally cut the balls off of the character until the final scene. Sure, he obviously did bad things throughout the entire movie, but they couldn't let him go all out with his evil until they revealed that he was, in fact, guilty at the very end of the movie.
2. That is something I still wish could be cleared up for me. Why was his guilt ever in doubt? Didn't they show a young Nancy with scratches on her back in the flashback? Why would five year olds make up a story of being molested just for kicks? I'm not saying this wasn't explained, but I certainly missed it. Did Freddy infer he was wrongly accused to the kids in the dreams?
Someone else mentioned it, but the notion that Freddy could go wherever in dreams bugged me a bit too. Well to be fair, I did and didn't like that Freddy wasn't tied to Elm Street. On the one hand it makes sense. Why would a dream demon be tied to a particular town? On the other hand, I like the notion that Freddy was trapped to the minds located in the town he terrorized.
I have rewatched the original since my first post, and there is a bit more corniness in that movie that I remembered. The pulling off the face gag is dumb, and the scene where Freddy is walking down the street with his arms elongated is laughably bad (along with the way he runs after the girl right after), but even with some of those gaffs, the original still is a zillion times better than the remake.
I will give the remake credit for making an amazing boiler room, though. The original is fine, but the remake's is really awesome.
#85
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Children may mature at different ages but come on that is pushing it. Maybe this doesn't pertain as much to film as it does to video games but this is why we hear so much negativity about the formats "poisoning" our children when really it's irresponsible parents that should be regulating what their child watches/plays.
With that said my girlfriend conned me into seeing this today and I thought it was pretty awful. The way I see it a movie about a slasher that gets you when you sleep should you know keep you awake but my girlfriend actually fell asleep in the theater. I love horror movies but slashers were never a favorite of mine with Nightmare being the exception. This movie let me down in just about every way.
With that said my girlfriend conned me into seeing this today and I thought it was pretty awful. The way I see it a movie about a slasher that gets you when you sleep should you know keep you awake but my girlfriend actually fell asleep in the theater. I love horror movies but slashers were never a favorite of mine with Nightmare being the exception. This movie let me down in just about every way.
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And I think the movie would have been better had Freddy actually been innocent through all of this. Show that the parents tried to frame him and then murder him only to unleash his desire for revenge.
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Really? I was so pissed when they first talked about him being innocent. Before freddy was turned into a joke on sequels. He was menacing and evil in the first. Before his reincarnation into the dreams he was still an evil dude and that darkness of the first film is part of the reason that made it great for me.
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Having a stand in that appears to be a foot shorter than the actor probably didn't help, but I think they had a point.
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Really? I was so pissed when they first talked about him being innocent. Before freddy was turned into a joke on sequels. He was menacing and evil in the first. Before his reincarnation into the dreams he was still an evil dude and that darkness of the first film is part of the reason that made it great for me.
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It is mentioned on the DVD that in the scene where he runs after Tina (right after the stretchy arm thing) is the only shot where someone other than Robert Englund plays Freddy. They had to use a stand in, and it becomes VERY obvious once knowing that. I believe they say it proves that he really was the only person who could do the role properly, and that scene is proof of it.
Having a stand in that appears to be a foot shorter than the actor probably didn't help, but I think they had a point.
Having a stand in that appears to be a foot shorter than the actor probably didn't help, but I think they had a point.

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It's because Freddy is evil, through and through. He was evil as a human, and once he was punished by death for his evil crimes, he returns in the dream spirit form to seek vengeance and takes his evil to an entirely different level. He didn't have any good in him at heart, just pure evil in life and in death. It's pretty simple, and all the more frightening to me.
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It's because Freddy is evil, through and through. He was evil as a human, and once he was punished by death for his evil crimes, he returns in the dream spirit form to seek vengeance and takes his evil to an entirely different level. He didn't have any good in him at heart, just pure evil in life and in death. It's pretty simple, and all the more frightening to me.
#94
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
True, but the point remains, Freddy is pure evil in any form. That's the entire point of the character.
Having him be an innocent guy out for revenge is something that Rob Zombie would do to the series. Ugh.
Having him be an innocent guy out for revenge is something that Rob Zombie would do to the series. Ugh.
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
It's because Freddy is evil, through and through. He was evil as a human, and once he was punished by death for his evil crimes, he returns in the dream spirit form to seek vengeance and takes his evil to an entirely different level. He didn't have any good in him at heart, just pure evil in life and in death. It's pretty simple, and all the more frightening to me.
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I think you need to read that quote again.
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Agreed. At no point did he say "if you don't like my movie this is what I think of you.". He simply said to quit debating it on the internet, see it for yourself and make up your own mind. Which I whole heartedly agree with. I saw it, didn't care for it and prefer the original.
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the only thing I liked was the aggresive 5.1 soundmix, but mostly I thought this remake was completely pointless. The role of Nancy for the remake reduced her to a dumbwit. I'd love to rip on this film but it's so not worth it.
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Children may mature at different ages but come on that is pushing it. Maybe this doesn't pertain as much to film as it does to video games but this is why we hear so much negativity about the formats "poisoning" our children when really it's irresponsible parents that should be regulating what their child watches/plays.
With that said my girlfriend conned me into seeing this today and I thought it was pretty awful. The way I see it a movie about a slasher that gets you when you sleep should you know keep you awake but my girlfriend actually fell asleep in the theater. I love horror movies but slashers were never a favorite of mine with Nightmare being the exception. This movie let me down in just about every way.
With that said my girlfriend conned me into seeing this today and I thought it was pretty awful. The way I see it a movie about a slasher that gets you when you sleep should you know keep you awake but my girlfriend actually fell asleep in the theater. I love horror movies but slashers were never a favorite of mine with Nightmare being the exception. This movie let me down in just about every way.
#100
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Re: A Nightmare on Elm Street (Bayer, 2010) --> The Reviews Thread
Apparently, Sam Bayer said that haters of the film should "just get up, go outside and get some fresh air, maybe get a girlfriend and just get a life".
I'll go one further and say that director should do the same, but add "don't remake a classic film in a series that you hate to begin with".
I'll go one further and say that director should do the same, but add "don't remake a classic film in a series that you hate to begin with".














