David Fincher's "The Social Network"
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
In the least surprising news you will hear today, Armond White didn't like the movie.
http://www.imdb.com/news/ni4615334/
http://www.imdb.com/news/ni4615334/
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
I don't get this board's facination with Armond White. So the guy purposefully goes against the grain when it comes to reviewing movies. Shouldn't that be more of a reason to ignore him? Yet everyone here seems to hang on his every review for any new movie coming out. What gives?
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
Cuz...it's funny? I don't follow up on him...actually only through here do I know of his existence and further adventures he does.
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
I don't get this board's facination with Armond White. So the guy purposefully goes against the grain when it comes to reviewing movies. Shouldn't that be more of a reason to ignore him? Yet everyone here seems to hang on his every review for any new movie coming out. What gives?
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
Can't find Armond White's review on-line; it's not up on the NY Press site yet. I have the print edition. It's one of his best reviews in a long time. I'll type in some excerpts:
"The scene where pre-billions Zuckerberg takes revenge on the girlfriend he's neglected...comes across as a frighteningly casual presentation of the self-righteous hostility that has become Internet etiquette. It derives from Zuckerberg's viciousness and nearly autistic social detachment--an immaturity that infects the Internet but here is looked at uncritically. Fincher's indifference and Sorkin's calm about Zuckerberg's malediction is an early indication of the film's failure. The Social Network glibly accepts Zuckerberg's selfishness as entertaining and nerd-cool--even when Zuckerberg allegedly betrays his Harvard university colleagues, cheating them out of a fortune.
"If it is true that The Social Network defines the decade, as an ad blurb states, then that's just an accident of its shortcomings. We need to look deeper. It inadvertently defines an era when subterfuge and reprehensible behavior are accepted as a social norm--especially if it proves lucrative. No wonder mainstream media minions have flipped for The Social Network; they recognize the fiat of technological privilege.
"Hollywood and the journalism industries--both cowed by the Internet breathing down their necks--have perfected a method to curtail individual response to movies, thereby dictating widespread enthusiasm for this shallowly complicated film. To Fincher and Sorkin, Zuckerberg represents a new cultural avatar who (like other snarky Internet avengers) must be worshipped, not held to account. They inflate Zuckerberg's story as a 'creation myth' (as one lawyer calls him), the better to concede victory to a tycoon of new technology rather than apply normal social or professional standards to his hostile relations with people. The Social Network sucks up to successful wealthy young powerbrokers."
Sounds like Zuckerberg's got nothing to complain about after all. The film makes a hero out of him!
"The scene where pre-billions Zuckerberg takes revenge on the girlfriend he's neglected...comes across as a frighteningly casual presentation of the self-righteous hostility that has become Internet etiquette. It derives from Zuckerberg's viciousness and nearly autistic social detachment--an immaturity that infects the Internet but here is looked at uncritically. Fincher's indifference and Sorkin's calm about Zuckerberg's malediction is an early indication of the film's failure. The Social Network glibly accepts Zuckerberg's selfishness as entertaining and nerd-cool--even when Zuckerberg allegedly betrays his Harvard university colleagues, cheating them out of a fortune.
"If it is true that The Social Network defines the decade, as an ad blurb states, then that's just an accident of its shortcomings. We need to look deeper. It inadvertently defines an era when subterfuge and reprehensible behavior are accepted as a social norm--especially if it proves lucrative. No wonder mainstream media minions have flipped for The Social Network; they recognize the fiat of technological privilege.
"Hollywood and the journalism industries--both cowed by the Internet breathing down their necks--have perfected a method to curtail individual response to movies, thereby dictating widespread enthusiasm for this shallowly complicated film. To Fincher and Sorkin, Zuckerberg represents a new cultural avatar who (like other snarky Internet avengers) must be worshipped, not held to account. They inflate Zuckerberg's story as a 'creation myth' (as one lawyer calls him), the better to concede victory to a tycoon of new technology rather than apply normal social or professional standards to his hostile relations with people. The Social Network sucks up to successful wealthy young powerbrokers."
Sounds like Zuckerberg's got nothing to complain about after all. The film makes a hero out of him!
Last edited by Ash Ketchum; 10-01-10 at 03:37 PM.
#282
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
I love it when a film I can't wait to see gets extremely amazing reviews. and I usually wait till after the movie to read them.
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
The soundtrack is available as a digital download at Amazon for only $2.99 through today (Wednesday the 29th)
I'm listening to it now, and I'm digging Reznor and Ross's work.
I'm listening to it now, and I'm digging Reznor and Ross's work.
#290
Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
J. Hoberman in the Village Voice gives it a mixed-to-negative review (he likes the first act but says the narrative "stumbles" afterwards):
http://www.villagevoice.com/movies/reviews/
So, neither of the only two critics I still respect these days (White and Hoberman) are falling for the hype.
(Takes me back to 1997 when White and Hoberman, to their eternal credit, both compared TITANIC unfavorably to THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE.)
http://www.villagevoice.com/movies/reviews/
So, neither of the only two critics I still respect these days (White and Hoberman) are falling for the hype.
(Takes me back to 1997 when White and Hoberman, to their eternal credit, both compared TITANIC unfavorably to THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE.)
#291
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
J. Hoberman in the Village Voice gives it a mixed-to-negative review (he likes the first act but says the narrative "stumbles" afterwards):
http://www.villagevoice.com/movies/reviews/
So, neither of the only two critics I still respect these days (White and Hoberman) are falling for the hype.
(Takes me back to 1997 when White and Hoberman, to their eternal credit, both compared TITANIC unfavorably to THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE.)
http://www.villagevoice.com/movies/reviews/
So, neither of the only two critics I still respect these days (White and Hoberman) are falling for the hype.
(Takes me back to 1997 when White and Hoberman, to their eternal credit, both compared TITANIC unfavorably to THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE.)
And I now know to completely ignore/dismiss any opinion you have here on the forum.
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
I hope you're joking in that latter remark, because I don't think it's fair to me if you're not. You're one of the more intelligent members of this board and, like me, you have a better command of film history than most here. (I.e. you've seen a lot of films made before you were born.) In past threads, usually on old movies, you're often one of the few who gets (or cares about) what I'm saying. I'd hate to lose that support simply because I endorse White's insistence on seeing through the hype on overstuffed, overrated films like AVATAR, INCEPTION, TOY STORY 3 and, now, THE SOCIAL NETWORK.
I'm just sayin'...don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (or the old man out with the geritol).
#295
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
So in what way was The Social Network overrated?
I've never minded that White gives negative reviews to good movies, it's just what he writes about them that annoys me. He proclaims people idiotic for enjoying one movie, rips on another for not making sense and then claims racism in another for no good reasons. And then praises the tedious, poorly made and shallow as high art. It's impossible for me to take him seriously. Sure, Toy Story 3 and Avatar were vastly overrated, and Inception was a little too basic/straightforward of an action movie to live up to the hype. But that also doesn't automatically make them bad movies.
I've never minded that White gives negative reviews to good movies, it's just what he writes about them that annoys me. He proclaims people idiotic for enjoying one movie, rips on another for not making sense and then claims racism in another for no good reasons. And then praises the tedious, poorly made and shallow as high art. It's impossible for me to take him seriously. Sure, Toy Story 3 and Avatar were vastly overrated, and Inception was a little too basic/straightforward of an action movie to live up to the hype. But that also doesn't automatically make them bad movies.
Last edited by RichC2; 09-30-10 at 10:27 AM.
#296
Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
Look, even I'll admit that White sometimes goes overboard in his curmudgeonly contrariness. But then, so do I at times. I think I sometimes immediately react to too-much-hype with automatic hostility. And White caters to that side of me. I think what's needed are more critical voices somewhere in the middle. A.O. Scott in The New York Times and Owen Gleiberman in Entertainment Weekly sometimes offer that (e.g. their skeptical responses to INCEPTION), but too rarely to suit me, although I read them regularly and respect them both.
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"
Well, then read Hoberman's review and tell me if you think it should be ranked as positive.
I hope you're joking in that latter remark, because I don't think it's fair to me if you're not. You're one of the more intelligent members of this board and, like me, you have a better command of film history than most here. (I.e. you've seen a lot of films made before you were born.) In past threads, usually on old movies, you're often one of the few who gets (or cares about) what I'm saying. I'd hate to lose that support simply because I endorse White's insistence on seeing through the hype on overstuffed, overrated films like AVATAR, INCEPTION, TOY STORY 3 and, now, THE SOCIAL NETWORK.
I'm just sayin'...don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (or the old man out with the geritol).
I hope you're joking in that latter remark, because I don't think it's fair to me if you're not. You're one of the more intelligent members of this board and, like me, you have a better command of film history than most here. (I.e. you've seen a lot of films made before you were born.) In past threads, usually on old movies, you're often one of the few who gets (or cares about) what I'm saying. I'd hate to lose that support simply because I endorse White's insistence on seeing through the hype on overstuffed, overrated films like AVATAR, INCEPTION, TOY STORY 3 and, now, THE SOCIAL NETWORK.
I'm just sayin'...don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (or the old man out with the geritol).
Sorry for the comment I made, I was in a bad mood this morning....but I just can't believe there is someone who actually agrees with what he writes.
To me Armond White represents the very worst a critic can be....his reviews offer me no new insights into films and I don't find any of the points he makes legitimate or interesting....plus I think he is a poor writer. I don't mind a critic being contrary, but it is the reasons why he is contrary and the way he says it that will make me read a review...and in both cases Armond fails miserably.




