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Old 09-29-10 | 02:26 PM
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In the least surprising news you will hear today, Armond White didn't like the movie.

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni4615334/
Old 09-29-10 | 02:42 PM
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Old 09-29-10 | 04:21 PM
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I don't get this board's facination with Armond White. So the guy purposefully goes against the grain when it comes to reviewing movies. Shouldn't that be more of a reason to ignore him? Yet everyone here seems to hang on his every review for any new movie coming out. What gives?
Old 09-29-10 | 04:22 PM
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Cuz...it's funny? I don't follow up on him...actually only through here do I know of his existence and further adventures he does.
Old 09-29-10 | 04:33 PM
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"

Originally Posted by Kal-El
I don't get this board's facination with Armond White. So the guy purposefully goes against the grain when it comes to reviewing movies. Shouldn't that be more of a reason to ignore him? Yet everyone here seems to hang on his every review for any new movie coming out. What gives?
That's like when your parents tell you to just ignore that bully but they don't realize that I have to look at that 99% for Toy Story 3 on Rotten Tomatoes everyday.
Old 09-29-10 | 05:14 PM
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Can't find Armond White's review on-line; it's not up on the NY Press site yet. I have the print edition. It's one of his best reviews in a long time. I'll type in some excerpts:

"The scene where pre-billions Zuckerberg takes revenge on the girlfriend he's neglected...comes across as a frighteningly casual presentation of the self-righteous hostility that has become Internet etiquette. It derives from Zuckerberg's viciousness and nearly autistic social detachment--an immaturity that infects the Internet but here is looked at uncritically. Fincher's indifference and Sorkin's calm about Zuckerberg's malediction is an early indication of the film's failure. The Social Network glibly accepts Zuckerberg's selfishness as entertaining and nerd-cool--even when Zuckerberg allegedly betrays his Harvard university colleagues, cheating them out of a fortune.

"If it is true that The Social Network defines the decade, as an ad blurb states, then that's just an accident of its shortcomings. We need to look deeper. It inadvertently defines an era when subterfuge and reprehensible behavior are accepted as a social norm--especially if it proves lucrative. No wonder mainstream media minions have flipped for The Social Network; they recognize the fiat of technological privilege.

"Hollywood and the journalism industries--both cowed by the Internet breathing down their necks--have perfected a method to curtail individual response to movies, thereby dictating widespread enthusiasm for this shallowly complicated film. To Fincher and Sorkin, Zuckerberg represents a new cultural avatar who (like other snarky Internet avengers) must be worshipped, not held to account. They inflate Zuckerberg's story as a 'creation myth' (as one lawyer calls him), the better to concede victory to a tycoon of new technology rather than apply normal social or professional standards to his hostile relations with people. The Social Network sucks up to successful wealthy young powerbrokers."


Sounds like Zuckerberg's got nothing to complain about after all. The film makes a hero out of him!

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Old 09-29-10 | 05:31 PM
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I love it when a film I can't wait to see gets extremely amazing reviews. and I usually wait till after the movie to read them.

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Old 09-29-10 | 05:33 PM
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what?...you mean "a film I can't wait to see..."

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Old 09-29-10 | 05:41 PM
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Old 09-29-10 | 06:22 PM
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"

Here's the whole thing.
Old 09-29-10 | 06:57 PM
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for the lazier and spoilerized for the people that ( w/ reason) bitch about spoilers:

Spoiler:
The Social Network

Directed by David Fincher

Runtime: 121 min.

The Social Network glamorizes a new paradigm: How the Internet’s basic disconnect characterizes contemporary public discourse. Director David Fincher’s lustrous video images make instant, stylish mythology out of the way Harvard student Mark Zuckerberg re-popularized the Internet by founding the Facebook in 2003. This brainy, insular 19-year-old pinpointed the Internet as a personal, rather than formal, means of communication and thus became the nation’s youngest billionaire. TV’s Aaron Sorkin concocted a script that pretends to assess Zuckerberg’s sea-change, but it’s Fincher’s mythmaking (his usual yellow-green color scheme, more burnished than ever) that uncannily combines moral confusion, social decline and empire building—although leaving out such crucial details as where the money comes from and the moral consequences of all that glorified disconnection.

The scene where pre-billions Zuckerberg takes revenge on the girlfriend he’s neglected by leaping to his computer and then writing and transmitting a blog that defames her physical person, intelligence and family heritage comes across as a frighteningly casual presentation of the self-righteous hostility that has become Internet etiquette. It derives from Zuckerberg’s viciousness and nearly autistic social detachment—an immaturity that infects the Internet but here is looked at uncritically. Fincher’s indifference and Sorkin’s calm about Zuckerman’s malediction is an early indication of the film’s failure. The Social Network glibly accepts Zuckerberg’s selfishness as entertaining and nerd-cool—even when Zuckerberg allegedly betrays his Harvard university colleagues, cheating them out of a fortune.

If it is true that The Social Network defines the decade, as an ad blurb states, then that’s just an accident of its shortcomings. We need to look deeper: It inadvertently defines an era when subterfuge and reprehensible behavior are accepted as a social norm—especially if it proves lucrative. No wonder mainstream media minions have flipped for The Social Network; they recognize the fiat of technological privilege.

Hollywood and the journalism industries—both cowed by the Internet breathing down their necks—have perfected a method to curtail individual response to movies, thereby dictating widespread enthusiasm for this shallowly complicated film. To Fincher and Sorkin, Zuckerberg represents a new cultural avatar who (like other snarky Internet avengers) must be worshipped, not held to account. They inflate Zuckerberg’s story as a “creation myth” (as one lawyer calls him), the better to concede victory to a tycoon of new technology rather than apply normal social or professional standards to his hostile relations with people. The Social Network sucks up to successful, wealthy young powerbrokers.
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As played by pale-skinned, curly-headed Jesse Eisenberg, Zuckerberg may be the most obnoxious movie protagonist Noah Baumbach didn’t write; his lack of family and cultural background (apparently Jewish but only explicitly a smart, fast-talking Harvard dork) makes him Everyphenom, the exemplar of a brilliant new generation we must learn to admire and excuse. Power-worship keeps Sorkin from making a What Makes Sammy Run? inquiry or Paddy Chayefsky jeremiad. Rather, he slickly exploits ethnic narcissism, yet never penetrates feelings of inferiority or competitiveness that made Eisenberg so moving in Holy Rollers, last spring’s extraordinarily soulful and chagrinned tale of a Hasidic youth’s worldly aspiration.

Ignoring any possible spiritual investigation, Sorkin crisscrosses two separate lawsuits brought against Zuckerberg: one by the WASP Winklevoss twins (Armie Hammer and Josh Pence) and Divya Narendra (Max Minghella), classmates who first engaged his Internet ingenuity to build them a dating website; and the other by dormmate Eduardo Savarin, who financed Zuckerberg’s early experiments but was frozen out of eventual profits. Then a third party— Napster cutthroat Sean Parker (Justin Timberlake)—enters the fray, driving

Zuckerberg’s egomania. Timberlake’s soft-voiced shark briefly hones the film’s craven focus: “Revenge is not a dish served cold; it’s served immediately and relentlessly.” But Fincher and Sorkin go back to sentimentalizing Zuckerbergas-victim: Their shared backgrounds in TV advertising and prime-time diversion are evident in trial scenes that play Zuckerberg’s superciliousness against his opponents’ hurt desperation and in glossy high-life scenes that distract from Zuckerberg’s self-interest, trading audience prurience and envy for insight.

Particularly egregious is a Royal Regatta sequence meant to ridicule the Winklevoss lifestyle. Fincher shoots it just like a Nike commercial break. He’s an affectless director who disregards the emotional impact of every scene and situation: Zuckerberg’s dating faux pas are staged as coldly as his contempt for legal procedure. And in each scene, Sorkin’s approach to Zuckerberg’s conduct is unctuous with fake significance, letting the protagonist’s eminence excuse his reprehensible misbehavior. It’s disingenuous for Sorkin to prioritize Zuckerman saying, “For the first time in the Winklevoss’ lives things didn’t work out for them,” for really that applies to his own privilege.

Not Soul Man, Harvard Man nor The Paper Chase—all movies that “got Harvard” to varying instructive degrees—The Social Network is simply Hollywood’s way, post- Obama, of sanctioning Harvard’s “masters of the universe” mystique. It’s an attempt at glorifying a contemporary aristocracy-cumplutocracy through flattery of Zuckerberg and his ilk. Ironically, these are the same shameless tycoons Oliver Stone takes out with sniper precision in Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps (a title that also fits this Facebook legend).

Like one of those fake-smart, middlebrow TV shows, the speciousness of The Social Network is disguised by topicality. It’s really a movie excusing Hollywood ruthlessness. That’s why it evades Zuckerberg’s background timidity and the mess that the Internet has made of cultural discourse. In interviews, Sorkin brags about the multiple narrative and Fincher has even invoked Citizen Kane—both are grandstanding excuses for Zuckerberg’s repeated masturbatory request for friendship—a mawkish George Clooney ending. Here’s the truth: Kane was not about a brat’s betrayal, but about a sensitive braggart’s psychological and philosophical shift inward. The Social Network is more like Hollywood’s classic film industry selfromance The Bad and the Beautiful. Yet that Kane-lite film never excused its bad-boy protagonist’s sins and ended magnanimously by converging his three injured parties’ points of view into one beautifully clarifying narrative. It admitted our cultural compromises; this is TV-trite. In The Social Network, creepiness is heroized.
Old 09-29-10 | 07:27 PM
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Armond White really does just splatter shit on his keyboard, doesn't he? He bathes in being a predicable joke.
Old 09-29-10 | 07:36 PM
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I hate how he just uses big and long chunks of vocab to just explain the simplest of things.
Old 09-29-10 | 09:14 PM
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The soundtrack is available as a digital download at Amazon for only $2.99 through today (Wednesday the 29th)

I'm listening to it now, and I'm digging Reznor and Ross's work.
Just partook of the deal myself. Sounds good, similar to the The Dust Brothers Fight Club ST, another Fincher movie.
Old 09-30-10 | 04:53 AM
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J. Hoberman in the Village Voice gives it a mixed-to-negative review (he likes the first act but says the narrative "stumbles" afterwards):

http://www.villagevoice.com/movies/reviews/

So, neither of the only two critics I still respect these days (White and Hoberman) are falling for the hype.

(Takes me back to 1997 when White and Hoberman, to their eternal credit, both compared TITANIC unfavorably to THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE.)
Old 09-30-10 | 07:05 AM
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Re: David Fincher's "The Social Network"

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
J. Hoberman in the Village Voice gives it a mixed-to-negative review (he likes the first act but says the narrative "stumbles" afterwards):

http://www.villagevoice.com/movies/reviews/

So, neither of the only two critics I still respect these days (White and Hoberman) are falling for the hype.

(Takes me back to 1997 when White and Hoberman, to their eternal credit, both compared TITANIC unfavorably to THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE.)
Both RT & Metacritic have his review as a positive.

And I now know to completely ignore/dismiss any opinion you have here on the forum.
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Originally Posted by Jaymole
Both RT & Metacritic have his review as a positive.

And I now know to completely ignore/dismiss any opinion you have here on the forum.
Now?
Old 09-30-10 | 08:23 AM
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Don't know/care much about White but the Village Voice hated it? Now I know Ill love it.
Old 09-30-10 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaymole
Both RT & Metacritic have his review as a positive.

And I now know to completely ignore/dismiss any opinion you have here on the forum.
Well, then read Hoberman's review and tell me if you think it should be ranked as positive.

I hope you're joking in that latter remark, because I don't think it's fair to me if you're not. You're one of the more intelligent members of this board and, like me, you have a better command of film history than most here. (I.e. you've seen a lot of films made before you were born.) In past threads, usually on old movies, you're often one of the few who gets (or cares about) what I'm saying. I'd hate to lose that support simply because I endorse White's insistence on seeing through the hype on overstuffed, overrated films like AVATAR, INCEPTION, TOY STORY 3 and, now, THE SOCIAL NETWORK.

I'm just sayin'...don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (or the old man out with the geritol).
Old 09-30-10 | 10:18 AM
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So in what way was The Social Network overrated?

I've never minded that White gives negative reviews to good movies, it's just what he writes about them that annoys me. He proclaims people idiotic for enjoying one movie, rips on another for not making sense and then claims racism in another for no good reasons. And then praises the tedious, poorly made and shallow as high art. It's impossible for me to take him seriously. Sure, Toy Story 3 and Avatar were vastly overrated, and Inception was a little too basic/straightforward of an action movie to live up to the hype. But that also doesn't automatically make them bad movies.

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Old 09-30-10 | 10:59 AM
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Look, even I'll admit that White sometimes goes overboard in his curmudgeonly contrariness. But then, so do I at times. I think I sometimes immediately react to too-much-hype with automatic hostility. And White caters to that side of me. I think what's needed are more critical voices somewhere in the middle. A.O. Scott in The New York Times and Owen Gleiberman in Entertainment Weekly sometimes offer that (e.g. their skeptical responses to INCEPTION), but too rarely to suit me, although I read them regularly and respect them both.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
I hate how he just uses big and long chunks of vocab to just explain the simplest of things.
Kind of like Aaron Sorkin.
Old 09-30-10 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
White's insistence on seeing through the hype on overstuffed, overrated films like AVATAR, INCEPTION, TOY STORY 3 and, now, THE SOCIAL NETWORK.
I would understand supporting him if this was his actual intent.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
Well, then read Hoberman's review and tell me if you think it should be ranked as positive.

I hope you're joking in that latter remark, because I don't think it's fair to me if you're not. You're one of the more intelligent members of this board and, like me, you have a better command of film history than most here. (I.e. you've seen a lot of films made before you were born.) In past threads, usually on old movies, you're often one of the few who gets (or cares about) what I'm saying. I'd hate to lose that support simply because I endorse White's insistence on seeing through the hype on overstuffed, overrated films like AVATAR, INCEPTION, TOY STORY 3 and, now, THE SOCIAL NETWORK.

I'm just sayin'...don't throw the baby out with the bathwater (or the old man out with the geritol).

Sorry for the comment I made, I was in a bad mood this morning....but I just can't believe there is someone who actually agrees with what he writes.

To me Armond White represents the very worst a critic can be....his reviews offer me no new insights into films and I don't find any of the points he makes legitimate or interesting....plus I think he is a poor writer. I don't mind a critic being contrary, but it is the reasons why he is contrary and the way he says it that will make me read a review...and in both cases Armond fails miserably.

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