Aegean2007

I found myself inspired after viewing this particular "film":

Son of Odin

imo, just the epic throwdown in the woods between prime and megatron, starscream, and blackout was better than the entire star trek film. at least we didn't get young alternate versions of prime and the transformers growing up when fans were expecting the characters we've grown up with and loved. by the way, is nero still waiting for spock to show up by chance instead of actually using his supreme tech to conquer the universe instead. that plot made nero look like a total dumbass.

Supermallet

That's great (the Goofus and Gallant cartoon, I mean, not Son of Odin's ramblings, although those are unintentionally funny).

Aegean2007

Also, is there any way I can change my vote from half a star to 0 stars? I've been dwelling on this since I saw it, and I've changed my mind.

I probably can't mark it zero, but please remember this as the polls dry up.

jdslater1

Saw this last night on a digital projection screen, the only way to see this film. I will be seeing this again next week, I will give it a 4/5 mark. I will not list loads of spoilers but I will list some pros and cons.

Pros
The action is pretty insane, and if you like US hardware you will not be dissapointed!
The humor. There are some really good jokes in there.
Megan Fox and Isabel Lucas are both hot!
I still love the actors who play his parents, she is so good!
The sound on this film is exactly the reason way I have a big subwoofer!
Glenn Morshower is back as GENERAL Morshower, how cool is that?!

Cons
The action is insane and you cannot make out some of the big fights (Bay hasn't learnt has lesson from the first film).
The humor, there is too much of it and even though I did laugh alot the seriousness of the story does not warrent this level.
Too many robots. It's abit of overkill but Ravage is really cool. It has pretty much the same design as the toy.
Could have lost 20-30 minutes.
The Bay shoot of swirling round his actors is way over used.

The cons may seem more severe but like I say. I'm seeing it again next week and will be getting the BD on the release day.

Son of Odin

isabel lucas dare i say was hotter than megan fox. pretty close. this movie could've went straight into a porn and i don't think the crowd at my theater would have cared. lucas was that hot. as for the blu-ray, the people over at the avs forums will have to make a new sound tier, above the reference tier for this film. the devastator sequence will surely bring my walls down.

Supermallet

I was actually underwhelmed by the sound, and in IMAX no less.

Michael Corvin

jdslater1

Sorry but that sound of the bomb hits was sublime.

grrr

Bay got his start shooting Playboy videos. He's a fusion of Meyer and Roger Corman with a huge budget at his disposal.

TheKing

I agree with those who say there was too much humor. The comedy bits really started to wear down the story during the climax.

I liked Devestator's balls. Yeah, I know that kind of contradicts my previous comment, but of the funny stuff in the late part of the film, I thought it was the one that worked.

Overall, I liked it. Really, I can't see how anyone can call this the worst film of the year. I mean, seriously, what kind of expectation would one have that they would be so disappointed by this film to claim its worse than Pink Panther 2?

And if this is what qualifies as terrible, what term is going to be invented to describe G.I. Joe, which looks to be a far worse bastardization of its source material.

The film is hokey, silly at times, and the action is cartoonish. Go back and watch the source material! The biggest difference between the two (besides the look of the bots of course) is that the humans are the focus of the stories instead of the bots. But the films have been faithful to the source in terms of tone.

This isn't high art, it's robots beating the fluids out of each other with lots of slo-mo Megan Fox running. If you liked the first one, you should enjoy this one. If you didn't like the first one, you're not going to like this one.

jdslater1

I think the best joke was about the "tight shirts", had me rolling!
Also liked the line from one of the twins first saw Devestator.

outcastja

Really, I watched it at your theater and loved the sound, probably the only 3 things I liked about the movie.

The only thing I liked was the first 5 minutes of the movies mainly because I was there in downtown Long Beach where they shot some of it, and the forest scene which seems like I had to wait forever to happen. The parents stuff was pretty cool except for all of the Egypt scenes.

I felt the movie just dragged and dragged, especially the Egypt part. It's pretty much like the first movie, where Sam takes some object from point A to point B with explosions all around him. By the time he got to Optimus I just stopped caring. And it ends with the big finale of Optimus taking down Megatron and Fallen in under a minute.

I was also disappointed by the amount of scenes shot on IMAX film, there was that awesome forest scene, and just a few shots here and there of Devastator and the pyramid. Couldn't have been more than 10 minutes total.

For a 2:30 movie I was expecting a lot of Decepticons vs Autobots, but in the end it felt like 15 minutes of that, and 2 hours of following Sam and company.

iggystar

But, but these cons are major to the movie being any good. Look, I didn't go in expecting a great movie, but when I couldn't get a clear view of the action, that's when I checked out.

jdslater1

I did like the little Armagedden nod in the Autobot base.

jdslater1

What do you mean "major to the movie being any good"? How many times do you need that going around shot in one film? It's not that important to the storytelling or indeed the action. Especially when you have seen it 8 times.

I also say that the action is good and bad for the same reason that you have agreed with.

It sounds like you agree with my comments but you start your remark with the word "But".

stingermck

OK I'm semi awake now. If my theater is any indication, this is going to open huge. The most people I have seen at a midnight, with 8 screens going.

I was never a big fan of Transformers, basing most my knowledge from the 1st film, and random questions to friends. With that said, it delivered what i wanted. lots of action, and big robots kicking ass.

This time I felt the action was a lot clearer than the 1st film. The big huge battles were great, and some iconic shots of Prime fighting were good. The movie felt very large and epic at time.

A few complaints:





But all in all a good movie. Not as good as Star Trek, but better than Terminator and Wolverine, on my Summer list.

Stu 17

i really don't know why people are complaining.

i watched the 1986 movie, and then the first bay transformers movie tuesday evening prior to this. Revenge of the Fallen felt much more like the 86 movie than Transformers 1 did.

the humor did go a little over the top, i'll give you that. I could have done without Sam's mom getting wacked out on special brownies. there was a lot of silly humor in 1986 Transformers as well. beyond the baked Mom though, it was an excellent, enjoyable film...for what it is (a movie based on a cartoon).

as far as the action being too jumbled, i didnt think so. i thought they did a much better job of focusing the action and making it clearer what was happening than in the first. maybe the rest of you were tired or maybe my eyesight is better, i dont know, but i could tell who and what was fighting more often than not.

the fight in the forest was epic.

optimus merging with the older robot at the end reminded me of Optimal Optimus Primal from Beast Wars. he was bad ass.

i did not make the connection that Skid and Mudflaps were portrayed as stereotypical black people. if anything I just figured they were juvenille brothers.

BJacks

The '86 film was geared to a younger audience so the humor was inherently sillier. Also it was the '80s. A year later Hollywood gave us "Disorderlies." Do we need to go back to that? Haven't we moved on?

The problem with the humor in "Revenge of the Fallen" is so much of it was just plain stupid. Sam's mom taking pot brownies was the least of it. I can't remember the last time I heard so many flat jokes in a single movie.

Stu 17

Im not saying the humor was the same, as the 2 movies obviously appeal to different audiences. but the point is, there was a lot of attempt for humor back then and there was a lot in this one. and i didnt think there was anything wrong with that.

mdc3000

It was OK. Some good moments here and there but really fucking long and stupid for the most part... my biggest complaint is that the weakpoint of the first film is that it took AN HOUR to get the Autobots into it as a team... so I thought with the sequel, we could get our fill of Autobots hanging out, doing shit etc...but they're barely in this. The fact that the movie only has like 20-30 minutes of Optimus Prime is fucking terrible - it should have had at LEAST double that. This was easily one of the sloppiest, messiest blockbuster's I've seen in a long time.

Shia was fine but the humour didn't work as it was hammered again and again. The Bad Boys II poster was groan inducing, the roomate was useless and Mudflaps/Skids were as bad as I'd heard.... oh yeah, and earlier this summer Terminator: Salvation ripped off Transformers and now Bay returns the favour with a direct lift of the T-X terminatrix in one of the worst scenes in the movie that really makes no sense (if decepticons can look like people now, why not walk around like that all the time to track down Sam, more subtle, easier to kill him).... but there were still bright spots and some fun action. Not half the movie the first one was and it will still make bank, but if we get a Transformers 3, I really hope they get a good script and don't rush to a release date, because that really seems to be the downfall this time....that and Ehren Kruger

outcastja

How about when they cut to the scene of the black guy in the deli where John Turturro works? I saw no reason to cut to him except for he was black and had buck teeth similar to the twins. Or the fact they couldn't read. I was expecting them to go full out blackface and do a jig.

Stu 17

the black guy working in the deli served no purpose, i'll give you that. however, i do not see his connection to the twins.

let me ask something though, cuz i've never made this connection before.

why is it that when you see robots who can't read, you assume its making fun of black people?

outcastja

Go rent Chris Rock's Bring the Pain special and you'll understand.

Stu 17

i think id rather not fill my head with stereotypes.

i did some reading on the racist part, another point was that the twins look like "monkeys." that was the term used in either the article linked earlier in this thread or one via google.

either way, doesnt matter. to me, the twins had similar facial features to ironhide and ratchet.