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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
4.60%
Pinocchio
18.39%
Dumbo
3.45%
Fantasia
19.54%
Bambi
2.30%
The Lion King
18.39%
The Jungle Book
4.60%
Cinderella
2.30%
Beauty and the Beast
18.39%
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Old 03-30-09 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by marty888
The detail in the workshop in Pinocchio makes it the hands-down fav for me.
that and the underwater terrain/fish. beautiful beautiful animation and background art. It was tough deciding, between this, Fantasia and Bambi (again the background artwork was so intricate and majestic)

I thought the craziest and most fun animation was the often overlooked 'The Emperor's New Groove'
Old 03-30-09 | 09:29 AM
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My favorite has always been Alice in Wonderland, but I think The Lion King is still the pinnacle of Disney animated storytelling. I mean, you're basically doing the greatest of the Shakespearean plays ("Hamlet") with big cats and this has the greatest start-to-finish soundtrack of any Disney feature, bar none. From the opening yell to the Hans Zimmer score that swells as Simba takes his place atop Pride Rock, there's absolutely nothing to complain about here.
'Hamlet' and ahem 'Kimba the White Lion' - [cough]rip-off[/cough]
Old 03-30-09 | 09:32 AM
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Um. The question is what is the best movie not what movie has the best art. Fantasia may be the right answer for the second question but it is an absolute snoozefest.

Jungle Book is my pick.
Old 03-30-09 | 09:40 AM
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if you look at the animation real closely for Jungle Book though, you can see little bits of animation reused or flipped to get around implementing extra time/money towards animation.

Jungle Book though is my favourite in terms of music and songs. [The DVD also has the best commentary track IMO.]
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Fantasia, ahead of it's time and is still damn amazing.
Old 03-30-09 | 10:31 AM
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Re: Best Disney Hand Drawn Animated film

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Um. The question is what is the best movie not what movie has the best art. Fantasia may be the right answer for the second question but it is an absolute snoozefest.

Jungle Book is my pick.
Point 1) The title of the thread is "Best Disney Hand Drawn Animated film." Still, I'll follow you down this road. Taken entirely as an art issue, independent of the rest of the film, then I suppose I'm still most impressed by Alice in Wonderland. There have been several other adaptations, animated and live action, and none of them have come as close to capturing the spirit of Lewis Carroll's story to me (even though they bear precious little resemblance to Sir John Tenniel's original artwork). Although I think a case could still be made for The Lion King; the African landscape never looked better, at least in animation.

Point 2) I second Fantasia being "an absolute snoozefest." I always hated it as a kid. I've agreed to revisit it once it comes back around on DVD just to see what I think of it twenty some years later, but I don't expect to like it any more than I did in the '80s.

Point 3) The Jungle Book is pretty impressive.
Old 03-30-09 | 10:45 AM
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Beauty and the Beast, easily for me. It's just a great movie from start to finish with terrific characters and beautiful storytelling. There is a reason it got a best picture nomination, despite being animated
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Toss up between Sleeping Beauty and Fantasia.

Fantasia is a masterpiece, and possibly my favourite Disney film ever. Granted, it's not for everyone (hence the snoozefest comments in this thread) but for some (like me) it is sheer perfection and extremely enjoyable.
Old 03-30-09 | 11:17 AM
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Tough choice, but I voted for "Beauty & The Beast" (only because my other two favorite Disney films weren't listed..."Hunchback Of Notre Dame" & "Pocahonas")
Old 03-30-09 | 11:20 AM
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^ Pocahontas, had stunning animation, too bad the story wasn't all that. except the talking tree, it was a Disney film that didn't feature talking animals in quite some time (like 'Sleeping Beauty')
Old 03-30-09 | 11:31 AM
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I feel an obligation to vote for The Lion King in any poll for sentimental reasons. My wife and I saw it in the theater on one of our first dates.
Old 03-30-09 | 11:41 AM
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Pinocchio

Fantasia always puts me to sleep.
Old 03-30-09 | 11:53 AM
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Sleeping Beauty is a true work of art
Old 03-30-09 | 12:01 PM
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For some reason, I voted for Beauty and the Beast but meant to vote for Jungle Book... I can watch that movie every day.
Old 03-30-09 | 12:48 PM
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FANTASIA, for me, was the biggest snorefest on the planet until I reviewed the DVD release in 2000 (for another, long gone DVD website). I hated it as a kid, only liking Mickey's appearance in "Sorcerer's Apprentice" and being bored silly by the rest. Only when I watched it age 29, from a fresh perspective, did I not only appreciate the technical achievement, I absolutely LOVED the film. FANTASIA is an experience, not a narrative. It aims big and delivers big. Nothing small about that film at all.

And if you're not blown away by the sheer magnifence, epic grandeur, and cosmic awesomeness of NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN/AVE MARIA, you are more evil than Pol Pot!!
Old 03-30-09 | 12:49 PM
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Re: Best Disney Hand Drawn Animated film

For me, it's Pinocchio, by a pretty wide margin.

This guy sums it up well:

Many focus in like a laser on PINOCCHIO's considerable technical pedigree, and in the process, forget that the real reason we go to the movies isn't to look at the pretty pictures, we go for the experiences. Few of us will ever actually be in outer space, or visit the wreck of the TITANIC, but thanks to the movies, we've been to both of these extreme environs.

Animation has the power to take you anywhere, to show you anything, and with PINOCCHIO, we are taken on a journey across the rooftops of a sleepy Italian village, over the seas to a nightmarish theme park, and finally down into the depths of a dazzling undersea world. We find ourselves in warm homes, in raucous outdoor theaters, in seedy roadside taverns, and we even go into the belly of a whale. Disney combines the on-screen spectacle and technical virtuosity that is the hallmark of the best of his animation with a third quality that has perhaps gone uinmentioned in the discussion of this film. For decades, if you were to talk PINOCCHIO with film enthusuasts and animation gurus, you'd unavoidably find yourself talking about the camerawork, the staging, the wonderful character animation. But there's something else, underneath the spit and polish, that is truly compelling. If you dig a bit deeper, you may be surprised to find that PINOCCHIO is a film that gently explores a fairly profound question -- what does it mean to be human?

PINOCCHIO has always gained high marks because it scores across the board. The quality of the art is of course peerless. The design, the layouts, and the animation are all benchmarks for the medium -- but all of these efforts would be meaningless without the quality of the film's ideas and how these ideas are married to the animated fantasy. Here was a film that attempted through gentle parable to explore some very deep waters -- what does it mean to be human? How do we define the act of becoming a part of the human family? You could ask little more of a soul than to be brave, truthful, and considerate of others, and yet that is precisely what is asked of the little puppet Pinocchio in order to become a "real" human being. To be human, the film suggests, is to conquer fear, to be honest, and to think of others before yourself. When Pinocchio achieves these qualities of character, that's when he earns his human heartbeat.

By extension, because we conscioulsy (or unconsciously) come to see the character of Pinocchio as a metaphor for our own young struggles with morality and ethics, this is the challenge that the film asks of us, as well. I don't care if you are six or sixty, these are concepts that we all struggle with, sometimes on a daily basis, and make no mistake, this is what PINOCCHIO is about.

To its great credit, it is never pedantic. Walt Disney and his artists do a beautiful job of illustrating a child's struggles with these concepts without finger wagging or sage pronouncements. The film is at its best when it is simply presenting us the consequences of Pinocchio's actions as visual metaphors. In the film, from Pinocchio's nose growing to Lampwick's devolution into an animal, the farther away you are as a child from the ideal of humanity, the less physically human you become. The less moral a person you are, the more of an animal you are. Its a terrifying, thrilling and powerful thing to watch.

Animation's greatest strength lies in the way it asks you to participate in what is happening on the screen. Because the characters in an animated film are not real, because they are representational and abstract forms to begin with, animation is inherently more personal than live-action. You are asked to put aside your own knowledge that what you are seeing is not real, and you are asked - like a child - to believe. PINOCCHIO, like the great Japanese animated masterwork GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES, is a psychological attack playing off your own hidden guilts and fears.

For this reason, PINOCCHIO has always been one of the more powerful titles in the Disney library, though not necessarily one of the most popular. It is certainly Disney's "darkest" film, and the lead character is more of a symbol of childhood innocence than a fully realized personality, and while there are certainly a few songs along the way, it is really not a musical. For these reasons, it is not a "warm" film, though it certainly is a emotional one.

It is also Disney's best -- a landmark of the animated fantasy, a film of real substance, and a prime example of the best of the Disney animated art.
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The Sword in the Stone. It was always my favorite as a kid.
Old 03-30-09 | 12:55 PM
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Fantasia out of that list.

Although, it's hard to pit the true classics against the modern classics, IMO. I think a more interesting poll would be to have people vote on the the post Lion King movies:

Pocahontas
Hunchback
Hercules
Mulan
Emperor's New Groove
Tarzan
Lilo & Stitch
Brother Bear
Treasure Planet
Home on the Range
Atlantis
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Fantasia out of that list.

Although, it's hard to pit the true classics against the modern classics, IMO. I think a more interesting poll would be to have people vote on the the post Lion King movies:

Pocahontas
Hunchback
Hercules
Mulan
Emperor's New Groove
Tarzan
Lilo & Stitch
Brother Bear
Treasure Planet
Home on the Range
Atlantis
Ugh. All those are blah.
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Beauty and the Beast is the definitive Disney movie in my opinion. It has a great story, some of the best music out there, and has some of the most amazing artwork of all (Sleeping Beauty may have best artwork).

The thing that like the most, though, is that the heroine is better known for her intelligence than her beauty. Even though she is known by Gaston as the most beautiful in the town, it is her love of books that best defines her character.

With the way Disney is beautifully restoring their classic movies, it is hard to pick the best one. With each release, it's like watching each of these movies for the first time.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Fantasia out of that list.

Although, it's hard to pit the true classics against the modern classics, IMO. I think a more interesting poll would be to have people vote on the the post Lion King movies:

Pocahontas
Hunchback
Hercules
Mulan
Emperor's New Groove
Tarzan
Lilo & Stitch
Brother Bear
Treasure Planet
Home on the Range
Atlantis
Of that list, I'd rank 'em as follows:

1. Hunchback of Notre Dame -- this is CLASSIC Disney, with breathtaking animation, a majestic score, a great story, and memorable songs. What keeps the film from being a five-star masterpiece is that the filmmakers refused to trust the source material or the situations they derived from them, and inserted some absolutely GOD-AWFUL comic relief. Those gargoyles are terrible; not funny, not interesting, not insightful, and incredibly annoying to the point of not only being a distraction, but a detriment. There are other flaws, but they are minor in comparison. I still love this movie and hold it up as superior animated entertainment. The "Hellfire", "Bells of Notre Dame", and "Topsy-Turvey Day" sequences are some of the best bits Disney has ever done.

2. Mulan -- a beautiful, moving, and often hilarious movie. The songs are OK-to-REALLY GOOD, the character animation and backgrounds are lush and impressive, and a lot of the humor is natural and integrated into the story, rather than being forced and uncomfortable. Eddie Murphy is 1000X better and funnier here than he ever was in the Shrek films.

3. Emperor's New Groove -- this movie is fucking HI-LARIOUS. Disney's riff on 1940s/1950s Warner Brothers shorts. Awesomeness.

4. Atlantis -- a highly underrated sci-fi/action/pulp charmer. A classic? No, but a really good movie nonetheless. If this were a live action big-budget action flick, it would be hailed as a visionary masterpiece. As a Disney animated feature, it gets held to a different standard. Too bad. It works.

5. Lilo & Stitch -- I'm just not quite as blown away by this one as most people are. Nonetheless, I still like it quite a bit. It has a quirk and vibe all its own, an original vision unlike much of what has been put out in animation, before or since.

6. Hercules -- this one probably contains more "fun" than a lot of Disney features of the decade, but doesn't add up to much in the end. I love the songs, the "Greek chorus", the Gerald Scarfe character designs, and James Woods's wonderful take on Hades. Not much else going on, but it's not without its charms. Good movie. Nothing great.

7. Pocahontas -- phenomenal animation, great score, uninspired songs, and a preachy, Politically-Correct storyline that is so careful to be "respectful" that it chokes the narrative flat. I like watching it now and then, because there is much to appreciate in it, but it's not a favorite by any stretch.

8. Tarzan -- Did NOT like this one. Yeah, great animation, no question about it. Everything else fell flat. Rosie O'Donnell's hip-talking ape buddy? The "Smash The Camp" sequence? Blerg. The opening sequence is, admittedly, quite awesome. They should have ended the movie right afterwards.

9. Treasure Planet -- Great animation. Unengaging story. Horrible songs. Overlong, overstuffed, and mostly quite dull, actually... which is odd, giving how much is happening and how opulent the visuals are.

Haven't seen Brother Bear or Home On The Range. I don't think I'm missing much...
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Um. The question is what is the best movie not what movie has the best art. Fantasia may be the right answer for the second question but it is an absolute snoozefest.

Jungle Book is my pick.
I thought the question was about the art work of the film.
Fantasia is a snoozefest and no wonder it bombed and I always saw laserdiscs on sale all the time. But as far as art work goes it's tops.
Old 03-30-09 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wm lopez
I thought the question was about the art work of the film.
Fantasia is a snoozefest and no wonder it bombed and I always saw laserdiscs on sale all the time. But as far as art work goes it's tops.
The thread title is "Best" Disney hand-drawn film; the OP asks for "best (or favorite)". People read into it what they want to. It's all good.
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Of that list, I'd rank 'em as follows:

1. Hunchback of Notre Dame -- this is CLASSIC Disney, with breathtaking animation, a majestic score, a great story, and memorable songs. What keeps the film from being a five-star masterpiece is that the filmmakers refused to trust the source material or the situations they derived from them, and inserted some absolutely GOD-AWFUL comic relief. Those gargoyles are terrible; not funny, not interesting, not insightful, and incredibly annoying to the point of not only being a distraction, but a detriment. There are other flaws, but they are minor in comparison. I still love this movie and hold it up as superior animated entertainment. The "Hellfire", "Bells of Notre Dame", and "Topsy-Turvey Day" sequences are some of the best bits Disney has ever done.

2. Mulan -- a beautiful, moving, and often hilarious movie. The songs are OK-to-REALLY GOOD, the character animation and backgrounds are lush and impressive, and a lot of the humor is natural and integrated into the story, rather than being forced and uncomfortable. Eddie Murphy is 1000X better and funnier here than he ever was in the Shrek films.

3. Emperor's New Groove -- this movie is fucking HI-LARIOUS. Disney's riff on 1940s/1950s Warner Brothers shorts. Awesomeness.

4. Atlantis -- a highly underrated sci-fi/action/pulp charmer. A classic? No, but a really good movie nonetheless. If this were a live action big-budget action flick, it would be hailed as a visionary masterpiece. As a Disney animated feature, it gets held to a different standard. Too bad. It works.

5. Lilo & Stitch -- I'm just not quite as blown away by this one as most people are. Nonetheless, I still like it quite a bit. It has a quirk and vibe all its own, an original vision unlike much of what has been put out in animation, before or since.

6. Hercules -- this one probably contains more "fun" than a lot of Disney features of the decade, but doesn't add up to much in the end. I love the songs, the "Greek chorus", the Gerald Scarfe character designs, and James Woods's wonderful take on Hades. Not much else going on, but it's not without its charms. Good movie. Nothing great.

7. Pocahontas -- phenomenal animation, great score, uninspired songs, and a preachy, Politically-Correct storyline that is so careful to be "respectful" that it chokes the narrative flat. I like watching it now and then, because there is much to appreciate in it, but it's not a favorite by any stretch.

8. Tarzan -- Did NOT like this one. Yeah, great animation, no question about it. Everything else fell flat. Rosie O'Donnell's hip-talking ape buddy? The "Smash The Camp" sequence? Blerg. The opening sequence is, admittedly, quite awesome. They should have ended the movie right afterwards.

9. Treasure Planet -- Great animation. Unengaging story. Horrible songs. Overlong, overstuffed, and mostly quite dull, actually... which is odd, giving how much is happening and how opulent the visuals are.

Haven't seen Brother Bear or Home On The Range. I don't think I'm missing much...
Hunchback had a lot going for it, and I agree the gargoyles were the only flaw

Mulan - I thought the background artwork while simplistic seemed like a visual letdown (sans maybe the avalanche sequence)

as noted before Emperor's New Groove a movie that seemed like a fun to make as well as actually enjoy. Vastly underrated.

I thought the character design, the ships, the story and the implied massive body count of Atlantis delivered on a lot of levels.

I thought the overall tone of Lilo & Stitch was charming. The background artwork with it's watercolor look really made this film different.

I honestly don't remember the songs for Hercules

I disagree with you on the songs for Pocahontas - while not great, they're better than average IMO.

Rosie in Tarzan was beyond annoying.

um, there were no songs in Treasure Planet. As for the animation, I thought that the merging standard cel animation and computer assisted artwork made for some spectacular effects - like the black hole sequence.

Brother Bear had excellent background art, but the story I thought was flat.

I don't remember anything about Home of the Brave - Rosanne Barr was terrible, the worst of the bunch IMO Everything that I recall was brash and ugly.
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I disagree with you on the songs for Pocahontas - while not great, they're better than average IMO.
"Steady As The Beating Drum" and "Savages" were kinda OK, but the rest were just... odd. "Once Around The Riverbend" was particularly oversung, overly busy, and just overall really grating. But as always, YMMV...
um, there were no songs in Treasure Planet.
There were, but the film wasn't a musical. The guy from (IIRC) The Goo Goo Dolls wrote a bunch of pop songs that were featured in the film but not sung by any characters or integrated into the storyline. They were pretty damn bad, too.
I don't remember anything about Home of the Brave - Rosanne Barr was terrible, the worst of the bunch IMO Everything that I recall was brash and ugly.
The commercials for this film were dreadful. The animation looked ugly and uninspired, the "comedy" look ridiculous, and the whole feel of it screamed "Eisner's Creativity By Executive Committee". No interest in ever seeing it, unless someone threatens to gut me with a boating hook.


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