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Old 03-26-10 | 10:14 AM
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This article posted in the Transformers thread, but I like Cameron's and even Bay's thoughts on this whole 3-D stuff.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/03/mich...e-jury-is-out/

“After Toy Story, there were 10 really bad CG movies because everybody thought the success of that film was CG and not great characters that were beautifully designed and heartwarming,” Avatar’s James Cameron told me recently. "Now, you’ve got people quickly converting movies from 2D to 3D, which is not what we did. They’re expecting the same result, when in fact they will probably work against the adoption of 3D because they’ll be putting out an inferior product.”


“This is another example of Hollywood getting it wrong,” Cameron said. “Sony says, we’re doing Spider-Man in 3D.’ The director doesn’t say, `Hey, I want to make the movie in 3D.’ The studio says, `You want to direct this movie? You’re doing it in 3D, motherfucker!' That’s not how it should be. I’ve tried for the last seven years to get filmmakers excited, and they all hung back while Pixar and DreamWorks did animation and me and a couple others did live action. We prove the point, and now filmmakers are being told to make their movies in 3D.”
Old 03-26-10 | 10:15 AM
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I'm more worried that this 'tier-pricing' is going to set a dangerous precedent. Right now they explain away the higher price with the fact that you're buying the glasses with it, but before too long everybody who goes to movies will own at least one pair of the damn things... it's doubtful they will ever lower the ticket price even if 95% of the moviegoers no longer need the glasses. So then we're stuck with the idea of a higher price for a 'premium' film.

But where does that mentality end? Will they start charging a premium for big budget films like Iron Man 2? Will Star A start demanding in their contract that their film charge a dollar more per ticket than Star B's?
Old 03-26-10 | 11:37 AM
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No one (that I have talked to, at least) has ever said that the ticket price difference was due to the cost of the glasses. I have even spoken to my local theater manager about this. The difference has always been explained to me as being due to the increased cost of the "print", and the increased cost of buying and maintaining the 3D equipment in the auditorium. Whether that is a legitimate reason is obviously open to debate, but the glasses have nothing to do with it.

I suspect that some low-level theater employees may use the glasses excuse as a way to deflect customer complaints, but that doesn't really mean anything.
Old 03-27-10 | 07:07 AM
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The difference has always been explained to me as being due to the increased cost of the "print"
What a load of crap- with digital there IS no print- they get a hard drive and that's loaded onto a server, then they get a 'key' from the studio to play it. If anything they should be charging LESS for anything that's digital because it requires a lot fewer people to run the projection booth- the shows can even be started unattended. The equipment might cost money, but what they save in payroll alone makes up for it, along with the money the studios are saving in not making or shipping film prints.
Old 03-31-10 | 03:03 PM
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Quote from Aja due to the upcoming Piranha 3D over on AICN...

Aja was ultimately sold on doing a conversion after seeing some test reels that included footage from "Star Wars" and "Titanic." That said, the movie will feature some true 3-D as opposed to converted scenes. "All of our piranha are CG [and] they are all real 3-D in the computer. Our movie is going to be completely converted, but a big chunk of it will be real 3-D as well."
No Aja, that's not true 3D. True 3D is done in camera. Cameron, for example, was able to see the 3D as he was on set doing both live-action and motion capture for Avatar. Ellis did the same for The Final Destination.

CGI rendering is not real 3D. If you have to do all your 3D work in post, that's 100% conversion.
Old 04-01-10 | 04:11 AM
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Does anyone know if it's OK to take a 4 year old kid to watch "how to train a dragon" in 3D? I'm afraid he's going to hide under his seat. well I'm actually almost 90% positive he will hide under his seat at some point, but in 3D it will probably happen much faster.
Old 04-01-10 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
No Aja, that's not true 3D. True 3D is done in camera. Cameron, for example, was able to see the 3D as he was on set doing both live-action and motion capture for Avatar. Ellis did the same for The Final Destination.
You mean Pixar and Dreamworks shoot their 3D features with real cameras?

If the CG objects already exist in 3D space in the computer, they can be rendered from two different angles for real 3D, like a video game or the first two Toy Story movies. That's what he's getting at. Although, the resulting mix of real 3D and fake 3D elements in the same shot may be odd.
Old 04-01-10 | 10:11 AM
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I agree with this guy's opinion on the impending death of 3D (again), mostly this:
In a lot of ways the hike in prices and the rush to post-convert are creating a perfect storm of self-destruction for the exhibitors and the studios alike. I think the studios could get away with shitty post-conversion if ticket prices remained reasonable, and I think exhibitors could get away with a price hike if every movie used 3D like Avatar, Coraline or How to Train Your Dragon. But when you put the two together it's a mess waiting to happen.
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If a movie is filmed for 3d and benifits from it I have no problem paying extra. I thought the 3D was awesome in Avatar and got my moneys worth. I think the second best 3D movie I have seen was Chicken Little, the depth was excellent and the color was still vibrant.

The problem I have with 3d movies is in regular theaters the Digital 3d the glasses they give you are too small and dont cover your whole viewing angle, and I have noticed the picture needs to be brighter. It looses so much contrast and vibrant punch. This may because the theater doesnt have the projector at the highest brightness, since they want to expand the life of the bulb.

I dont like seeing them market movies that really shouldnt be in 3d like Clash of the Titans and Alice in Wonderland. I didnt think the 3d in Alice was very good at all. and when Clash of the Titans comes out I will be seeing it in 2D
Old 04-01-10 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by maingon
The problem I have with 3d movies is in regular theaters the Digital 3d the glasses they give you are too small and dont cover your whole viewing angle, and I have noticed the picture needs to be brighter. It looses so much contrast and vibrant punch. This may because the theater doesnt have the projector at the highest brightness, since they want to expand the life of the bulb.
That's something I'm wondering about for 3D in the home. Will you need to re-calibrate your brightness when you switch between 2D and 3D? Apparently, they're going to use the same video for 2D and 3D (the 2D will just be the left or right eye image), so they can't adjust in the transfer. I wonder if the 3D BD spec has a provision for the player increasing the brightness when a title is played in 3D mode.
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Re: 3-D is taking over!!

like I said before, 3D is good for 3 things: sports, nature shows, and porn...

What's the next big 3D movie like Avatar? Is there one?
Old 04-01-10 | 02:21 PM
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Avatar 2, or whatever else Cameron does next. Seriously, the guy took 8 years to get that right. No one is pulling that off anytime soon.
Old 04-02-10 | 10:45 AM
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I love that Ebert keeps calling out studios on the 3D bullshit. His reviews for both Clash of the Titans and How To Train Your Dragon basically say save your money and see it in 2D.
Old 04-02-10 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by maingon
If a movie is filmed for 3d and benifits from it I have no problem paying extra. I thought the 3D was awesome in Avatar and got my moneys worth. I think the second best 3D movie I have seen was Chicken Little, the depth was excellent and the color was still vibrant.

The problem I have with 3d movies is in regular theaters the Digital 3d the glasses they give you are too small and dont cover your whole viewing angle, and I have noticed the picture needs to be brighter. It looses so much contrast and vibrant punch. This may because the theater doesnt have the projector at the highest brightness, since they want to expand the life of the bulb.

I dont like seeing them market movies that really shouldnt be in 3d like Clash of the Titans and Alice in Wonderland. I didnt think the 3d in Alice was very good at all. and when Clash of the Titans comes out I will be seeing it in 2D

CHICKEN LITTLE wasn't in 3-D. It was 3-D CGI animation, like pretty much most animated features of the last 7 or 8 years, but it was never IN 3-D. You weren't given glasses to watch it.
Old 04-02-10 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
CHICKEN LITTLE wasn't in 3-D. It was 3-D CGI animation, like pretty much most animated features of the last 7 or 8 years, but it was never IN 3-D. You weren't given glasses to watch it.
^YES IT WAS. I saw Chicken Little theatrically in Disney Digital 3D, wearing the glasses... you've got your facts mixed up. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371606/trivia

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Old 04-02-10 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I love that Ebert keeps calling out studios on the 3D bullshit. His reviews for both Clash of the Titans and How To Train Your Dragon basically say save your money and see it in 2D.
Dragon looked great in 3D. Clash looked like crap. No comparison.
Old 04-02-10 | 02:05 PM
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Yes, CHICKEN LITTLE was indeed released in digital 3-D format in a few markets. The 3-D version played on about 85 screens nationwide, as opposed to today when there are thousands of capable venues.

I saw it in 3-D.
Old 04-02-10 | 02:06 PM
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HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON is awesome in 3-D; probably the best use of the format in a CGI flick yet. Seeing it flat would not be worth it to me. Now as for CLASH, no one can really argue.
Old 04-02-10 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Dragon looked great in 3D. Clash looked like crap. No comparison.
I'm not sure, but I think by "3D bullshit" he may have meant the converted 3D as opposed to real 3D.
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I don't know anything about Dragon so I was just going by what Ebert said for that one. Maybe it was always intended for 3D. Even so, if the film loses that much by not seeing it in 3D well was it really any good then? I saw Up in 3D. After seeing it at home I didn't feel 3D added anything.

It bugs me that we seem to already be at a point where every computer animated movie MUST be in 3D or else. I guess all those Pixar award winners were missing something right?

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Old 04-02-10 | 06:20 PM
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Dragon's got an amazing 98% on RT - wow.
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Originally Posted by burbon
Does anyone know if it's OK to take a 4 year old kid to watch "how to train a dragon" in 3D? I'm afraid he's going to hide under his seat. well I'm actually almost 90% positive he will hide under his seat at some point, but in 3D it will probably happen much faster.
I took my 4 yr old to Dragon in 3D on opening night and he loved it. you should be fine
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Re: 3-D is taking over!!

The Clash of the Titans was not filmed in 3-D and converted to go along with the current craze of charging more for a 3-D movie.
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movi...titans-3D.html
Old 04-03-10 | 12:02 AM
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I just read somewhere that Iron Man 2 is getting the 3D conversion.

Originally Posted by slop101
Dragon's got an amazing 98% on RT - wow.
that's great the critics are loving it, but I'm getting the sense not alot of kids and parents are flocking to this as Dreamworks had hoped.
Old 04-30-10 | 12:11 PM
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Great commentary from Ebert on the fad:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237110/page/1

He makes some very valid points.


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