For sure, not scary except for a few 'jump scares' minus any sort of emotional investment. III had a load of serious cringe inducing torture-traps, and then the downhill slide began.

However, as mentioned above, the movies are pretty enjoyable on an F13 level, and as I have I, II and V on DVD, I'll be hard-pressed not to get III and IV (even though I've already seem them) because they're kind of like collector's cards for Horror movies.

I don't dislike the term Torture Porn in regards to Saw movies. I don't like how that term is used to marginalize people (such as myself) who like those movies, however.

It's hard to argue against the fact that Saw movies pretty much exist to give people a yucky thrill watching some shmuck drawn and quartered by chains, which is something you don't often get to see. In the same fashion porn exists to give you the thrill of watching some dork spew on a pair of fake boobs, which is also something you don't often get to see. The only difference is porn doesn't hide its intentions with some BS about smashing some dude's head with an ice-hammer to teach you how you should be more grateful for your life.

Some are, some aren't. To the layman "Braindead" is a horror movie, yet it isn't at all suspenseful nor scary. Get it? "August Underground" doesn't have ghosts or a boogeyman (in the Michael Myers/Jason Vorhees sense) but is still considered Horror.

or a "gore" flick which in and of itself is just a sub-genre of tada... horror.

Braindead is an out and out comedy. Splatter comedy if you will but comedy none the less. I never said you needed a boogieman or a ghost to be horror . But I do think scary is a prerequisite.

Yes, I agree. That's why I said "to the layman" it's a horror movie. If you went to a Blockbuster (I don't know why you would) or on Netflix it's under the Horror section yet anyone who has seen it knows it's pure comedy.

Anyway, who the fuck cares about the Saw series. Watch Braindead instead.

Just watched the first one and really dug it.. Starting the 2nd one right now..

I keep seeing commercials for Saw 5 ... can anyone spoilerize what's the deal with the guy on the cover of the DVD? with the big glass box on his head?

just different ways to kill people. i wonder why the Hostel franchise didn't do better cause the Saw movies clean up at the BO

Saw is gettin boring. All the time is about the same.

Hostel 1 did fine, Hostel 2 was a rehash of 1 that didn't expand upon anything at all so it pretty much killed the series where it stood. Plus people are suckers for twist endings, which the Saw series was able to provide for a few of their movies.

Personally, I enjoy the plot and on going development of the Saw series, and that's what keeps folks coming back for more.

I guess my question was more along the lines of "what IS the trap"?

Funny, all I can think when I see those commercials is "NO, Don't kill LUKE!!!!"

It's stupid is what it is.

I think the former is a pretty silly solution. It seems like that would take too long. The latter, maybe, but I'm willing to assume it wouldn't be that easy. Just because the prop looks like that would be possible doesn't mean it's supposed to be possible.