He's not wrong, the action in these films is not the selling point. It's the setup, the characters, and the stylization that makes them good.

And let's not forget, that Neeson had that gas mask on for a couple of his scenes and was still understandable.

Screw it, I'm just going to assume i'm a dolt since Nolan would have to dumb things down for me just so I can understand plain English.

People only say that because the action scenes are just that bad.

Action has always been an integral part of Batman. To suggest otherwise is absolutely absurd.

NOT THE EFFING KNIVES AGAIN!!!

Yeah, I don't understand why people are having trouble understanding Bane's one line of dialogue - "When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die." I thought it was pretty clear myself...

They're talking about the prologue... I only saw the bootleg, so hopefully it's better in the theater, but I only understood about 20% of the bootleg.

Prologue leaks are bootleg cam copies. Of course Bane is difficult to understand, along with the other characters, because of the poor audio.

From the official trailer I think Bane will sound fine. Muffled and mechanical, but intelligible.

Not all of us are going off of bootleg cam audio. I run an IMAX booth. I've seen the prologue on film, I don't know, 8 times maybe? The only reason I can understand most of the dialogue is because I read the transcript. And even then, knowing what he's meant to be saying, some of it is unintelligible to me.

I even have a monitor that only takes audio from the center channel, i.e. the channel with all the dialogue and the minimum amount of sound effects, and I still can't make out most of what he's saying.

Ah, ok. Is the prologue an IMAX only thing?

Yes.

Why are you guys debating Nolan's intentions based on third party information gleened from "someone close to the production"? That's usually code for "I have no fucking information to share but will make up a BS rumour to get the fan community riled up". If Bane is unintelligble, redoing the dialogue in post so that it's clearer isn't "dumbing it down". That's just fixing an audio problem. Nolan and WB would have the worst PR department if they actually made such a claim official.

I have no doubt Bane's dialogue will be reworked in the finished feature since stuff like that happens all the time.

This post reminds me of that one guy that was constantly ranting in the TDK thread (prior to the film's release) about how pissed he was because of the Joker carrying around a cheap knife.

Thank you Nolan for reminding me how much I love nerd rage.... Nothing like a Batman movie to bring out the NerdThugs

^

Incidentally, *nothing* (especially action) is integral to Batman except for the bat-like costume. Adam West's Batman vastly differs from Tim Burton's, as that does from Joel Schumacher's, Paul Dini's, Frank Miller's, Christopher Nolan's, even the incredibly fantastic and prematurely canceled Brave and the Bold cartoon. The character is a "legend" to be interpreted by (hopefully) extremely creative and talented people. Everyone has their definitive version...

My ideal Batman movie would have VERY few punches thrown, it'd be more of a Neal Adams's-stylized Gothic detective/horror story.

So, what I've learned from this thread is that "Mumbles" from Dick Tracy is the most intelligent character ever put to film.

Indeed. At this point, i hope Nolan changes NONE of Banes voice just so we can see and hear more of this nerd rage.

It's funny that you mentioned all those iconic Batman writers and directors yet you didn't bother pointing out which ones had left out the action/adventure element.. probably because none of them did.

But hey, I can't wait to see all the new windows Nolan has Batman looking out of in the new movie.

^Yeah all those masterful, pulse-pounding Tim Burton action scenes.

Sorry, some of us have outgrown that "shit blows up real good without the barest scintilla of storytelling" phase.

What does C. Bale say in the trailer?
"Where's our league?"

"what's it mean?"

Yeah, good point. Why did the Joker use such shitty lookin' knives? His pencil was of shoddy quality as well.

I never knew it was a knife?!

Well when he was in the MCU, it was revealed that the Joker also had a potato peeler in his arsenal.

Speaking of the old Dark Knight threads, who's Bush, who's Chaney, and who's Tony Blair this time around?