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Old 01-25-09 | 11:37 AM
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Finally got a chance to see this last night and really enjoyed it, much more than I thought I was going to honestly. It's only showing on one screen in our area and I was told it's been selling out every screening.

For those who have seen it, there's a couple of scenes that I was curious about:

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When the slum was being attacked, were they attacked because they were muslims, or were the attackers muslims themselves? I wasn't quite clear on that.

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The scene with filling the bathtub with money and getting inside of it for "the last stand." What was the significance of that?
Old 01-25-09 | 11:38 AM
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Because they were Muslims, parker. Those were anti-Muslim riots that actually happened in the early 90's.
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Originally Posted by marty888
Yes .... but it's not about an American, and I would suggest that if you think the plotline could be switched to any place but India, then perhaps you're missing some of the wonderful aspects of this movie that make it so special. The concept of "it is written" drives our main character, and provides the context and the magic, and the reflection of India's attitudes and social strata add a level of insight and understanding that we don't usually see.

It's probably because it is so rooted in Mumbai (not Memphis or Minneapolis or Moline) and so filled with truths that the film critics in India gave basically rave reviews to this when it opened there on Fiday.
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The scene with filling the bathtub with money and getting inside of it for "the last stand." What was the significance of that?
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My guess is that he wanted to ruin the guy's money by soaking it in blood. i'm not sure how 'absorbable' indian currency is, but given that most currency is some form of paper/textile fiber, it might have worked pretty well,
and might not have washed out very well.
Old 01-25-09 | 12:27 PM
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Thanks guys.
Old 01-25-09 | 01:58 PM
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The concept of "it is written" drives our main character
I never thought that concept was actually driving Jamal - it's used as part of the framing device for US to know, but I never once thought that Jamal believed 'it is written'... He just loved Latika and was willing to do anything and everything to be with her...
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I never thought that concept was actually driving Jamal - it's used as part of the framing device for US to know, but I never once thought that Jamal believed 'it is written'... He just loved Latika and was willing to do anything and everything to be with her...
Danny Boyle said in an interview that Jamal was in fact driven by the "it is written" concept.

Here's the post (#58) where I posted the snippet from the interview:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/9094405-post58.html
Old 01-25-09 | 07:55 PM
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I thought it was a good film, but feel he dropped the ball in
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The phone a friend segment could've been a truly great moment, but instead, the two characters really said nothing and left me nonplussed


Also, I don't understand
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After the 50/50 the answers are B and D and the character says I choose A. Says it two more times, I think, then he says D. WTF?
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Originally Posted by hasslein
I thought it was a good film, but feel he dropped the ball in
Spoiler:
The phone a friend segment could've been a truly great moment, but instead, the two characters really said nothing and left me nonplussed


Also, I don't understand
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After the 50/50 the answers are B and D and the character says I choose A. Says it two more times, I think, then he says D. WTF?
That scene worked fine for me, everything that needed to be expressed was and from that point on, winning really meant nothing, he succeeded in doing what he was aiming for.
Old 01-25-09 | 09:02 PM
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Re: Slumdog Millionaire (Boyle, 2008)

Originally Posted by hasslein
I thought it was a good film, but feel he dropped the ball in
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The phone a friend segment could've been a truly great moment, but instead, the two characters really said nothing and left me nonplussed


Also, I don't understand
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After the 50/50 the answers are B and D and the character says I choose A. Says it two more times, I think, then he says D. WTF?
Regarding the first point, I recall in the US version of the show the time is pretty limited so it's not like a whole lot could be said. I think the key was just Jamal hearing her and knowing she was safe.

As for the second, I don't recall him giving that answer but maybe someone else that saw it more recently can confirm.
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Winner of the big SAG award! Fuck yes.

By the way i forgot to include my critic blurb if I had one: "We accept your apology for The Beach, Mr. Boyle!"

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Old 01-26-09 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hasslein
I thought it was a good film, but feel he dropped the ball in
Spoiler:
The phone a friend segment could've been a truly great moment, but instead, the two characters really said nothing and left me nonplussed


Also, I don't understand
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After the 50/50 the answers are B and D and the character says I choose A. Says it two more times, I think, then he says D. WTF?
1) This scene was truly wonderful. Plus his reaction to the phone call.

2) Jamal never picked "A" as you say... or even B. The host wanted him to choose B.

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Old 01-26-09 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Perkinsun Dzees
Final Conclusion:

Once again the white men co-opt Indian history and pretty much fail miserably.
This concludes what appears to me to be a somewhat harsh, even blinkered assessment of the film.

When BBC Radio 4 did a piece on the film they asked a non-Bollywood Indian film maker to comment. His view was that a major part of why it worked outside of India was that it eschewed the unreal aspects of "traditional" i.e. Bollywood-style Indian films. Indians have come to expect such cliched film-making but other countries enjoy their own cliches.

He said that the worldwide interest might help stimulate a demand for more "reality" in Indian film-making, which was something that he explicitly welcomed.

Speaking personally, I have little to no interest in the Bollywood style: the pastiche they did over the credits was knowing/clever enough to hold the interest of the full cinema audience when I watched it a few weeks ago but would have turned me off if it'd had been the pattern for the whole film.

In brief, you have slammed a film for the offence of not aping the styles of the majority of the successful films of the country in which it is set. To me this seems highly illogical. I was going to address the accusations in the snipped comment above but realised that this might turn this into a political thread which I think we can do without However, at the risk of appearing to engage in ad hominem tactics, one wonders whether your membership name is intended to indicate a desire to shock....?
Old 01-26-09 | 05:55 AM
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I finally saw it yesterday and I have to admit I thought it was awful. Horribly cliched, formulaic, an basically just a thin plot held together with a bunch of tedious music videos. I couldn't have cared less about any of the characters, and I was also offended at how exploitative it was, making abject poverty and destitution seem trite. It was almost as if "Dharavi World" had become a new Disney attraction.

A film critic buddy of mine told me I would hate it, but I didn't believe him. Turn out he was right. I'm glad other people enjoyed it, but it clearly wasn't for me.
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Originally Posted by hasslein
Also, I don't understand
Spoiler:
After the 50/50 the answers are B and D and the character says I choose A. Says it two more times, I think, then he says D. WTF?
Spoiler:
he pronounced "B" with a little bit of an accent, like "beh"
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Re: Slumdog Millionaire (Boyle, 2008)

Slumdog Millionaire was my pick for best movie of 2008 (Dark Knight is my "favorite" and will be watched more often, but Slumdog Millionaire is clearly a better film).

But then I saw Revolutionary Road last night. Wow, great film and fantastic performances from the two leads, and several of the supportings. I can't believe none of them were nominated.
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Originally Posted by hasslein
I thought it was a good film, but feel he dropped the ball in
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The phone a friend segment could've been a truly great moment, but instead, the two characters really said nothing and left me nonplussed
Spoiler:
He heard her voice and realized she was both ok and tuned into the show, which he joined because it was her favorite show - she'd answered as his 'friend' and his brother had obviously ok'd her responding in his place -- all he'd wanted was to be with her, and winning the money didn't really matter (it certainly would help though!, considering their background and experiences :-)


Originally Posted by hasslein
Also, I don't understand
Spoiler:
After the 50/50 the answers are B and D and the character says I choose A. Says it two more times, I think, then he says D. WTF?
Spoiler:
He was talking outloud as they do and said he had been ready to choose A, but it had been taken off the board. He had only the last two to choose from. And I think he was just buying time. Then he chose the right one.

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Old 01-28-09 | 06:45 AM
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This concludes what appears to me to be a somewhat harsh, even blinkered assessment of the film.

When BBC Radio 4 did a piece on the film they asked a non-Bollywood Indian film maker to comment. His view was that a major part of why it worked outside of India was that it eschewed the unreal aspects of "traditional" i.e. Bollywood-style Indian films. Indians have come to expect such cliched film-making but other countries enjoy their own cliches.

He said that the worldwide interest might help stimulate a demand for more "reality" in Indian film-making, which was something that he explicitly welcomed.

Speaking personally, I have little to no interest in the Bollywood style: the pastiche they did over the credits was knowing/clever enough to hold the interest of the full cinema audience when I watched it a few weeks ago but would have turned me off if it'd had been the pattern for the whole film.

In brief, you have slammed a film for the offence of not aping the styles of the majority of the successful films of the country in which it is set. To me this seems highly illogical. I was going to address the accusations in the snipped comment above but realised that this might turn this into a political thread which I think we can do without However, at the risk of appearing to engage in ad hominem tactics, one wonders whether your membership name is intended to indicate a desire to shock....?
My criticism of the movie is not that it doesn't try to ape the style of Bollywood films, but that it actually does ape many of the cliches of Bollywood storytelling but with little of the heart, soul or imagination that drives the best Indian movies. In the end, it just feels like product -- the calculated product of a clever filmmaker attempting to show how hip he is by churning out a Bollywood style film, but then only capturing the surface sheen and very little of the essence.

I don't think the film is terrible, just vastly overpraised. It is what it is: a slick, fitfully entertaining Bollywood knockoff that also tries to masquerade as a meaningful art movie by wallowing in so-called slum "realism" and graphic violence to kids. Yet the storyline is too contrived and superficial to support its pretensions and it all comes off as little more than a hodgepodge of white man's art film vs. goofy Bollywood plot.

Yes, there are many horrible Bollywood movies churned out by hack directors. Just as there are many horrible American hollywood movies churned out by hack directors and many bad European and British movies. And some of the worst Bollywood films are the ones that try too hard to ape and copy successful American movies. Not all Bollywood movies are mindless song and dance fests, just most of the bad ones.

Slumdog Millionaire resides somewhere in between the horrible Bollywood movies and the great ones. In short, it is mediocre.
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I thought most bollywood films were crap? This film easily trumps most bollywood films I think.
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I thought most bollywood films were crap?
How many have you seen?
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I thought most bollywood films were crap? This film easily trumps most bollywood films I think.
Who's the one that started calling this a Bollywood film? Slumdog Millionaire is not a Bollywood film. It's as much a Bollywood film as calling The 40-Year Old Virgin a Bollywood film (both films break out into song-and-dance at the end).

Slumdog Millionaire is an Indian film with a western director - that's all. Calling Slumdog Millionaire a Bollywood film is the equivalent of calling Bend It Like Beckham or Monsoon Wedding a Bollywood film.

There are Bollywood Indian films and there are non-Bollywood Indian films. I just want to clarify that.

If you want to see Bollywood films that aren't crap, then I'll give you the list (but a very short list).

I would recommend doing research before thowing the "bollywood" term applied to all indian films. Typical Bollywood film = Typical Hollywood film. Calling Slumdog Millionaire a "Bollywood" film is also the equivalent of calling The Brown Bunny a "Hollywood" film.

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My criticism of the movie is not that it doesn't try to ape the style of Bollywood films, but that it actually does ape many of the cliches of Bollywood storytelling but with little of the heart, soul or imagination that drives the best Indian movies. In the end, it just feels like product -- the calculated product of a clever filmmaker attempting to show how hip he is by churning out a Bollywood style film, but then only capturing the surface sheen and very little of the essence.

I don't think the film is terrible, just vastly overpraised. It is what it is: a slick, fitfully entertaining Bollywood knockoff that also tries to masquerade as a meaningful art movie by wallowing in so-called slum "realism" and graphic violence to kids. Yet the storyline is too contrived and superficial to support its pretensions and it all comes off as little more than a hodgepodge of white man's art film vs. goofy Bollywood plot.

Yes, there are many horrible Bollywood movies churned out by hack directors. Just as there are many horrible American hollywood movies churned out by hack directors and many bad European and British movies. And some of the worst Bollywood films are the ones that try too hard to ape and copy successful American movies. Not all Bollywood movies are mindless song and dance fests, just most of the bad ones.
Did you mean to post this in the Chandni Chowk to China thread?
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Who's the one that started calling this a Bollywood film? Slumdog Millionaire is not a Bollywood film. It's as much a Bollywood film as calling The 40-Year Old Virgin a Bollywood film (both films break out into song-and-dance at the end).

Slumdog Millionaire is an Indian film with a western director - that's all. Calling Slumdog Millionaire a Bollywood film is the equivalent of calling Bend It Like Beckham or Monsoon Wedding a Bollywood film.

There are Bollywood Indian films and there are non-Bollywood Indian films. I just want to clarify that.

If you want to see Bollywood films that aren't crap, then I'll give you the list (but a very short list).

I would recommend doing research before thowing the "bollywood" term applied to all indian films. Typical Bollywood film = Typical Hollywood film. Calling Slumdog Millionaire a "Bollywood" film is also the equivalent of calling The Brown Bunny a "Hollywood" film.
I never said Slumdog was a bollywood film. I clearly know that Boyle is not Indian. Or working in the Bollywood system. I just said...that I thought most of those films were crap. To further add on, yes I've seen Salaam Bombay among others. I just have seen little good product therefore my quick poke about a lot of their films being crap..cuz they have a shit system for copyright laws and whatnot.
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If it had the following it would have been successful in India.

Several song and dance numbers in the middle, some involving random groups of people.

A big leadup to a wedding/long lost reunion.

Some really camp offbeat Indian funnyman who makes faces when the camera zooms in on him.

A lot of sexy Indian Actors and Actresses, who are there for the eye candy, but never get beyond a PG in the sex department.

People selling Pakora and Samosa in the cinema hall.
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lol...it'd be funny if a bollywood version of this film was a special feature on the DVD..


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