RoboCop (2014, Padilha) S: Kinnaman, Oldman, Jackson, Cornish
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Fortunately just because you are not able to understand how someone works doesn't mean that it's not true. That's called faith right?
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Moviefan2k4 watches a George Carlin special: "That's hilarious! I love the way he points out the absurdity of modern language. But why does he use so many curses? That famous routine would be much better without the filthy words."
But, seriously remakes are not necessarily a bad idea. If the original movie is terrible but could have been good, they should definitely do it. If the original is good but extremely dated, like Robocop, a modernization can be the equal of the original, if not it's superior. Scorsese has had TWO remakes. Many feel they're both improvements. And don't act like Robocop is some kind of sacred material. After two shitty sequels and a TV show, a remake is hardly the worst thing that they've done.
But, seriously remakes are not necessarily a bad idea. If the original movie is terrible but could have been good, they should definitely do it. If the original is good but extremely dated, like Robocop, a modernization can be the equal of the original, if not it's superior. Scorsese has had TWO remakes. Many feel they're both improvements. And don't act like Robocop is some kind of sacred material. After two shitty sequels and a TV show, a remake is hardly the worst thing that they've done.
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Hob's theme is pretty awesome. This is the cut!
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Carlin made some good points on occasion, but the filth crowded everything out. By the last few years of his life, I truly couldn't listen to him anymore.
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The best version out there would be the CC DVD edition. Granted, it's not anamorphic but what's cool about it is that it retains the proper speed during the Muprhy execution. Watching the Blu-ray I always cringe when they kill Murphy and re-dub/speed up the scene. It's awful. The CC DVD keeps it intact - like the laserdisc.
I would love if Criterion minted a new master for a BD release of the director's cut.
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re: RoboCop (2014, Padilha) S: Kinnaman, Oldman, Jackson
Get it?
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Not to mention the News Reports:
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re: RoboCop (2014, Padilha) S: Kinnaman, Oldman, Jackson
It's funny. The satire aspect I didn't get until I was older. But as a little kid the film easily stood as one of the best action/ sci-fi films for me. And it made me cry as a little kid too. The film really develops the emotional connection with Murphy well. By the time the OCP guys come in and shoot up Murphy I was in tears. Still kind of get emotional during that part. That film rocked my 3-10 year old self.
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The best version out there would be the CC DVD edition. Granted, it's not anamorphic but what's cool about it is that it retains the proper speed during the Muprhy execution. Watching the Blu-ray I always cringe when they kill Murphy and re-dub/speed up the scene. It's awful. The CC DVD keeps it intact - like the laserdisc.
The CC DVD also had the proper steel grey color timing. Subsequent DVD's and the BD boosted the colors (I guess to match the color scheme of the sequels). So Robocop himself went from grey to blue.
I would love if Criterion minted a new master for a BD release of the director's cut.
I would love if Criterion minted a new master for a BD release of the director's cut.
The awesome thing about the film getting reissued is that people can now find the CC DVD for pretty cheap. I paid nearly $50 for my copy years ago. A few months ago I found one at Half-Price Books for $10. I have seen at least 4 or 5 copies of the CC DVD used at stores since those reissues have come out.
Come on man...
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It's funny. The satire aspect I didn't get until I was older. But as a little kid the film easily stood as one of the best action/ sci-fi films for me. And it make me cry as a little kid too. The film really develops the emotional connection with Murphy well. By the time the OCP guys come in and shoot up Murphy I was in tears. Still kind of get emotional during that part. That film rocked my 3-10 year old self.
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Paul Verhoeven is a great satirist.
With Starship Troopers he satirized the "war on terror" over four years before it happened.
With Starship Troopers he satirized the "war on terror" over four years before it happened.
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Well, I see nothing in either of the first two films, where extreme violence or language added to the integrity of the story. To this day, whoever wrote the character of Hob in the second should have their mouth scrubbed out with dish soap, as should the parents of the kid who played him.
Plus, are we really to believe that the police department's so poor, that there's only one dressing room for both sexes? I don't think so.
Plus, are we really to believe that the police department's so poor, that there's only one dressing room for both sexes? I don't think so.
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No one's forcing your hand either, Eddie. I was very young when I first saw the film, and didn't know what was in it. After several years, I saw the full version, and formed my opinions based on it. I'm perfectly free to post here, the same as you.
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re: RoboCop (2014, Padilha) S: Kinnaman, Oldman, Jackson
So despite knowing the content after watching it when you were younger, you chose to watch it again years later. Why? You obviously find much of it repugnant.
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I saw the heavily edited version as a child, and didn't hear of anything else until years later. When I finally watched the full cut, I realized there's lots of stuff in there which was just included for ratings. The story could've had the same emotional impact with less than half the language, brutal violence, or sexual references. I wasn't too surprised when I read it got eleven consecutive "X" marks from the MPAA.
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I saw the heavily edited version as a child, and didn't hear of anything else until years later. When I finally watched the full cut, I realized there's lots of stuff in there which was just included for ratings. The story could've had the same emotional impact with less than half the language, brutal violence, or sexual references. I wasn't too surprised when I read it got eleven consecutive "X" marks from the MPAA.
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Did you then put a bucket over your head and go out knee-capping criminals?
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So about that Robocop remake...
I really wish the filmmakers had gone with a completely over-the-top Heavy Metal magazine-Moebius take on this remake, very busy, very populated, very futuristic and very violent. Basically the Frank Miller comic Hard Boiled with Robocop on the big screen.
I really wish the filmmakers had gone with a completely over-the-top Heavy Metal magazine-Moebius take on this remake, very busy, very populated, very futuristic and very violent. Basically the Frank Miller comic Hard Boiled with Robocop on the big screen.
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Whoa whoa. You talk about kneecapping people and that post may be banned in the UK.
@moviefan2k4:
Look obviously you don't get it. I got what the film was as a child as one thing entirely than what it really was. You know why? Cuz little kids aren't smart enough for most satire to the level the film brings with it along going with the visual. You've failed to comprehend the complexity of the drama and just take the film at it's visual persona. It was the 80s. A product of it's time. You obviously don't get how timeframe and ratings work. The film as it is could never work well if it was less than the R. It's a film that straddles the horrors of consumerism, technology, media, styles of violence emerging, culture, etc.
You're like a child who just can't get it. Leave it. You're not smart enough to get what RoboCop 1 was and is. To make it worse you can't stand objectively as a viewer cuz for some goddamned reason you're too blind to leave you're personal preferences at the door. Fuck your preferences and bias when it comes to understanding art.
@moviefan2k4:
Look obviously you don't get it. I got what the film was as a child as one thing entirely than what it really was. You know why? Cuz little kids aren't smart enough for most satire to the level the film brings with it along going with the visual. You've failed to comprehend the complexity of the drama and just take the film at it's visual persona. It was the 80s. A product of it's time. You obviously don't get how timeframe and ratings work. The film as it is could never work well if it was less than the R. It's a film that straddles the horrors of consumerism, technology, media, styles of violence emerging, culture, etc.
You're like a child who just can't get it. Leave it. You're not smart enough to get what RoboCop 1 was and is. To make it worse you can't stand objectively as a viewer cuz for some goddamned reason you're too blind to leave you're personal preferences at the door. Fuck your preferences and bias when it comes to understanding art.
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re: RoboCop (2014, Padilha) S: Kinnaman, Oldman, Jackson
Whoa whoa. You talk about kneecapping people and that post may be banned in the UK.
@moviefan2k4:
Look obviously you don't get it. I got what the film was as a child as one thing entirely than what it really was. You know why? Cuz little kids aren't smart enough for most satire to the level the film brings with it along going with the visual. You've failed to comprehend the complexity of the drama and just take the film at it's visual persona. It was the 80s. A product of it's time. You obviously don't get how timrfame and ratings work. The film as it is could never work well if it was less than the R. It's a film that straddles the horrors of consumerism, technology, media, styles of violence emerging, culture, etc.
You're like a child who just can't get it. Leave it. You're not smart enough to get what RoboCop 1 was and is. To make it worse you can't stand objectively as a viewer cuz for some goddamned reason you're too bline to leave you're personal preferences at the door. Fuck your preferences and bias when it comes to understanding art.
@moviefan2k4:
Look obviously you don't get it. I got what the film was as a child as one thing entirely than what it really was. You know why? Cuz little kids aren't smart enough for most satire to the level the film brings with it along going with the visual. You've failed to comprehend the complexity of the drama and just take the film at it's visual persona. It was the 80s. A product of it's time. You obviously don't get how timrfame and ratings work. The film as it is could never work well if it was less than the R. It's a film that straddles the horrors of consumerism, technology, media, styles of violence emerging, culture, etc.
You're like a child who just can't get it. Leave it. You're not smart enough to get what RoboCop 1 was and is. To make it worse you can't stand objectively as a viewer cuz for some goddamned reason you're too bline to leave you're personal preferences at the door. Fuck your preferences and bias when it comes to understanding art.