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bunkaroo 07-30-12 11:39 AM

Re: The Hobbit
 
*Trying to keep faith in PJ*

TGM 07-30-12 11:42 AM

Re: The Hobbit
 
I'd rather have it a tad too long than a bit too short. I'm down.

islandclaws 07-30-12 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TallGuyMe (Post 11328276)
I'd rather have it a tad too long than a bit too short. I'm down.

Peter Jackson has no idea what this means.

Regardless, I'm game. As long as they're done right, I have no problem with more of a (hopefully) good thing.

Artman 07-30-12 11:53 AM

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I wonder if the first one will end a little sooner now? I thought leaving Beorn's house w/ Gandalf saying goodbye might be a good spot, but too early when it was just two films. Mirkwood/Elves/Laketown for the middle section (plus the wizards battling the Necro). The mountain and battle for the third?

story 07-30-12 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11324903)
Gimpli had an Orce


Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11326364)
Gimpli. Lol.


Originally Posted by Kmical (Post 11325038)
Is that what they called him after he took an arrow to his knee?

This exchange reminds me of the first time my high school AD&D buddies and I tried the Middle Earth Role Playing Game. We were so excited!
Made our characters, headed out on an adventure, ran into our first group of orcs, the DM (or whatever MERPS called it) rolled the dice.

He looked up what happened in the chart and told me, "You've been shot with an arrow."

Rolled again, looked at the chart, paused, and said, "Okay, it hit you in the eye and you're dead."

Wait, what? "I'm dead?"

He checked again, "Yep."

I think we switched back to AD&D and TMNT (plus Heroes Unlimited) promptly after that.

B.A. 07-30-12 11:59 AM

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What a fucking money grab.

musick 07-30-12 12:04 PM

Re: The Hobbit
 

Originally Posted by tallguyme (Post 11328276)
i'd rather have it a tad too long than a bit too short. I'm down.

[michaelscott] ...... .... ... .... [/michaelscott]

Hiro11 07-30-12 12:09 PM

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Two films made some sense. Three seems like a padding. I'm trying to think where you could spend the time...

You could do a fair amount with Dol Guldur. Gandalf does disappear for a large portion of the tale, so it's probably worth explaining what exactly he was doing. You could even show Gandalf earlier in the story getting the key from Thrain before the action kicks off. This could be potentially atmospheric and compelling stuff. IMO, Dol Guldur has a lot of potential as a great location.

You also could set up the Battle of Five Armies in much more detail than Tolkein does in the books. Set up Dain and Bolg much earlier, explain who they are and how they came to be involved. Spend more time with Bilbo's deliberations and "treason".

For both of those diversions, you'd have to interpolate a lot as the text is very skimpy. The rest of the story is very linear.

Still looking forward to this. The Hobbit has so many great scenes in it that it would be hard to screw up the telling.

wishbone 07-30-12 12:18 PM

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We're getting closer to that Hobbit mini-series... with theatrical treatments instead of episodes. ;)

superdeluxe 07-30-12 12:43 PM

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I would rather have 3 2 1/2 hour movies than 2 3+ hour movies.

AVP77 07-30-12 01:03 PM

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This seems insanely unnecessary. It's not even that long of a book. What comes after this for PJ, Lord of the Rings remake?

B.A. 07-30-12 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AVP77 (Post 11328363)
This seems insanely unnecessary. It's not even that long of a book. What comes after this for PJ, Lord of the Rings remake?

the "Silmarillion" series on HBO.

Jay G. 07-30-12 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AVP77 (Post 11328363)
This seems insanely unnecessary. It's not even that long of a book. What comes after this for PJ, Lord of the Rings remake?

From the mention of "the rise of the Necromancer, and the Battle of Dol Guldur," it's clear that they're delving more into the LOTR appendices to expand it out to three films.


Originally Posted by B.A. (Post 11328365)
the "Silmarillion" series on HBO.

The Silmarillion will never, ever, be adapted as long as Christopher Tolkien is in charge of the estate.

RoboDad 07-30-12 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 11328385)
From the mention of "the rise of the Necromancer, and the Battle of Dol Guldur," it's clear that they're delving more into the LOTR appendices to expand it out to three films.

And unfortunately, that is my big concern with this. The more the appendices are added to the story, the more the original narrative is destroyed. The story of Bilbo's journey to the Lonely Mountain and his adventures along the way will become more of a sideline story.

That was Tolkien's main reason for abandoning his own "reimagining" project.

whoopdido 07-30-12 01:56 PM

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I don't have a problem with this as long as all the material is worthy of actually being in the movies.

The Valeyard 07-30-12 02:00 PM

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Two Possible Names For The Third Hobbit Film Registered And Revealed, Unless…

It seems that Jackson, Warner Bros. and the full furry-feet team have registered a couple of possible titles for their third Hobbit picture while they make up their mind which of them will be best.

Both of the possible options has been claimed in a few URL variants by Mark Monitor, the company who registered the other Hobbit domains for the producers. Fusible spotted the registrations just before the weekend.

The two options are Riddles in the Dark and The Desolation of Smaug.

I feel that the latter would make most sense as the title of a third film, as it refers to the area around Smaug’s lair in the Lonely Mountain, somewhere that the Dragon has destroyed and left, well, desolate. This would likely have to be the second of the three films, relative to where the location appears in the overall narrative.

Less literally appropriate to a third film would be Riddles in the Dark, the name of the fifth chapter in the book. These scenes take place during the narrative span of The Unexpected Journey, at least as it stands, and a sequence from this chapter was played, in at least nearly-finished form at Comic-Con this month.

So, given this, it’s possible that these aren’t potential names for the third film. Perhaps they’ll be part of a marketing viral; perhaps they’ll be the names of some kind of ancillary product – video games maybe; or perhaps the tiny expenditure needed to claim these URLs was spent pre-emptively to scare off cyber squatters.

They are going to need a title for the third film at some point. For now, I’m going to gamble on The Desolation of Smaug. Fits well, sounds dramatic, and leaves The Battle of Five Armies to take centre stage in the third picture.
Bleeding Cool

milo bloom 07-30-12 02:01 PM

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I'm game. There's a lot in the appendices and there's a lot of offhand remarks in The Hobbit itself about big things going on, but without explanation.

I wonder if there's any kind of footage they could film that could be added into even more extended versions of the LOTR movies.

superdeluxe 07-30-12 02:11 PM

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Confirmed:



It is only at the end of a shoot that you finally get the chance to sit down and have a look at the film you have made. Recently Fran, Phil and I did just this when we watched for the first time an early cut of the first movie — and a large chunk of the second. We were really pleased with the way the story was coming together, in particular, the strength of the characters and the cast who have brought them to life. All of which gave rise to a simple question: do we take this chance to tell more of the tale? And the answer from our perspective as the filmmakers, and as fans, was an unreserved ‘yes.'

We know how much of the story of Bilbo Baggins, the Wizard Gandalf, the Dwarves of Erebor, the rise of the Necromancer, and the Battle of Dol Guldur will remain untold if we do not take this chance. The richness of the story of The Hobbit, as well as some of the related material in the appendices of The Lord of the Rings, allows us to tell the full story of the adventures of Bilbo Baggins and the part he played in the sometimes dangerous, but at all times exciting, history of Middle-earth.

So, without further ado and on behalf of New Line Cinema, Warner Bros. Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Wingnut Films, and the entire cast and crew of "The Hobbit" films, I'd like to announce that two films will become three.

It has been an unexpected journey indeed, and in the words of Professor Tolkien himself, "a tale that grew in the telling."

Cheers,

Peter J
http://io9.com/5930200/confirmed-the...ium=socialflow

whoopdido 07-30-12 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Valeyard (Post 11328419)

It's been a very long time since I read the Hobbit, but didn't the stuff with Smaug happen kind of in the middle of the book...or maybe like 2/3 in? The big battle happened after Smaug was already defeated right? Or am I remembering that wrong? If I'm remembering it correctly, it seems like "The Desolation of Smaug" should be the name of the second movie, while the third would have something to do with the battle or just keep it "There and Back Again". But what else happened after Smaug was defeated? Seems hard to believe an entire movie could be made about just one battle.

superdeluxe 07-30-12 02:15 PM

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It will be a EPIC marathon to watch the LOTR EE's and the Hobbit Movies lol

whoopdido 07-30-12 02:27 PM

Re: The Hobbit
 

Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 11328464)
It will be a EPIC marathon to watch the LOTR EE's and the Hobbit Movies lol

Assuming The Hobbit movies end up having EE's as well, then it'll end up being pretty darn close to a solid day of movie watching. Say 21-23 hours.

Shannon Nutt 07-30-12 02:34 PM

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We could read the book in half the time it will take to watch these movies. Hollywood needs a new rule: One book = one movie. I know a lot of fanboys are happy about this, but it just seems like a money-grab to me.

superdeluxe 07-30-12 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 11328485)
We could read the book in half the time it will take to watch these movies. Hollywood needs a new rule: One book = one movie. I know a lot of fanboys are happy about this, but it just seems like a money-grab to me.

I think it would be safe to say that this will be more of a Prequel to LOTR than just the Hobbit (Which it will be-based on the appendixes

whoopdido 07-30-12 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 11328485)
We could read the book in half the time it will take to watch these movies. Hollywood needs a new rule: One book = one movie. I know a lot of fanboys are happy about this, but it just seems like a money-grab to me.

Sometimes it just can't be done. Never in my wildest dreams did I think The Hobbit would even be 2 movies, let alone 3, but certain books just can't be done in 1 movie. Harry Potter is a good example. There were 8 movies total, but I think there could have easily been 10+ movies considering how much stuff, and important stuff at that, was cut out.

Groucho 07-30-12 02:53 PM

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How many endings will this have?


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