The Hobbit
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People can talk about making it different and having that Del Toro guy do whatever he does, but The Lord of the Rings is one of the most successful franchises of all time and is almost universally liked by movie-goers. It would be complete idiocy to do anything different. Jackson just making a 4th and 5th Lord of the Rings movie is perfect.
But then those who take this point of view should never complain that Hollywood keeps regurgitating the same thing over and over again without trying something different or original. And for all I know, perhaps Jackson is taking a new stylistic tack. but the trailer is skewed towards engendering familiarity with trailer audiences. For whatever it's worth, what I do like is that -- from the trailer, at least -- the movie seems less heavy and self-important and more whimsical and fun. I do hope that's the case.
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Maybe, maybe not.
But then those who take this point of view should never complain that Hollywood keeps regurgitating the same thing over and over again without trying something different or original.
And for all I know, perhaps Jackson is taking a new stylistic tack. but the trailer is skewed towards engendering familiarity with trailer audiences. For whatever it's worth, what I do like is that -- from the trailer, at least -- the movie seems less heavy and self-important and more whimsical and fun. I do hope that's the case.
But then those who take this point of view should never complain that Hollywood keeps regurgitating the same thing over and over again without trying something different or original. And for all I know, perhaps Jackson is taking a new stylistic tack. but the trailer is skewed towards engendering familiarity with trailer audiences. For whatever it's worth, what I do like is that -- from the trailer, at least -- the movie seems less heavy and self-important and more whimsical and fun. I do hope that's the case.

As to your first part, I definitely complain when Hollywood regurgitates the same things over and over, but personally I think some things need to stay the same. To me, personally, it just wouldn't make sense to have the Hobbit be different that the previous 3 Lord of the Rings movies. But to each their own.
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As to your first part, I definitely complain when Hollywood regurgitates the same things over and over, but personally I think some things need to stay the same. To me, personally, it just wouldn't make sense to have the Hobbit be different that the previous 3 Lord of the Rings movies. But to each their own.
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More of the same? I certainly hope so. I was stoked and now I'm beyond stoked. And the music shift when it showed the ring? -chills-
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Exactly. People can talk about making it different and having that Del Toro guy do whatever he does, but The Lord of the Rings is one of the most successful franchises of all time and is almost universally liked by movie-goers. It would be complete idiocy to do anything different. Jackson just making a 4th and 5th Lord of the Rings movie is perfect.
I'm not thrilled with the 2 movie approach however.
I suppose I'll need to read the book again as I don't remember it all too well.
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I can only speak for myself, but I'd rather see something new and different. Doesn't mean they have to RADICALLY diverge from the LOTR "look and feel", but the trailer -- rather disappointingly and even somewhat mundane -- hit every beat with which people can feel familiarized and comfortable: Bag End, Hobbiton, the Ring, Gollum, "Prreeecccciiiooouusss", sweeping panoramic shots of proud warriors marching up a mountain, Elves, etc. It's all fine and dandy, but I lament for what Guillermo del Toro would have brought to the table: the same world, but a new vision.
"More of the same" is, much more often than not, a curse rather than a blessing.
"More of the same" is, much more often than not, a curse rather than a blessing.
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I once read an in depth article about Guillermo Del Toro in the New Yorker magazine and it went into quite a bit of detail about what he wanted to do with The Hobbit. While his vision would have proven quite interesting, I think it's probably for the best he didn't do the movie. His vision included really goth looking battle armor for the dwarves (Thorin was going to have a helmet with thorny branches on it, to play off the "thorn" name), and Smaug being a long, thin, snakelike creature with small legs and big wings. I have no doubt it would have been a visual treat, but it was going to be more of an alternate presentation of Middle Earth, which if the book is being written or read as reported, would kind of make sense as stories look different in the mind of writer/reader than what might have taken place.
That said, the new trailer looks pretty good. I need to see it at home (at work now) with audio. While I am not griping, they really let a lot out of the bag for something that's a whole year away. Almost like a cruel tease...
That said, the new trailer looks pretty good. I need to see it at home (at work now) with audio. While I am not griping, they really let a lot out of the bag for something that's a whole year away. Almost like a cruel tease...
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After spending the last week complaining about the god-awful DARK KNIGHT prologue and trailer, it's refreshing to see a well-done trailer! Looks like Jackson has lived up to expectations.
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Even the major characters of “The Hobbit” bore del Toro’s watermark. In one sketch, the dwarf Thorin, depicted in battle, wore a surreal helmet that appeared to be sprouting antlers. “They’re thorns—his name is Thorin, after all,” he said
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What an amazing trailer!
I think it is safe to assume that the tone of the trailer was chosen to show that, while the look and feel of Middle-earth would be consistent with the previous films (which is a very good thing), the light-hearted nature of the book will also be preserved as much as possible.
I also love the new music for the Misty Mountain song, and how it could be a running theme throughout the film.
Big thumbs up for me.
I think it is safe to assume that the tone of the trailer was chosen to show that, while the look and feel of Middle-earth would be consistent with the previous films (which is a very good thing), the light-hearted nature of the book will also be preserved as much as possible.
I also love the new music for the Misty Mountain song, and how it could be a running theme throughout the film.
Big thumbs up for me.
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Criticize George Lucas for making the PT look too different from the OT.
Criticize Peter Jackson for making The Hobbit look too similar to the LOTR.
Criticize Peter Jackson for making The Hobbit look too similar to the LOTR.
Last edited by milo bloom; 12-22-11 at 09:14 AM. Reason: Dumb typo correction
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I've posted this before, but the visual style actually makes sense:
Take vehicles from our own history...
a car from the 1930s and a spaceship from the prequels


a war-based vehicle from the mid 1940's and an x-wing from the OT


arguably the older vehicles actually look more advanced and polished, again designs driven by the necessity of war and the economy of raw materials.
The prequel trilogy sucks on so many levels, the story, the acting, the bad CGI, but the truth is, the discrepancy in how the vehicles looked MORE futuristic in the prequels is a fallacy.
Take vehicles from our own history...
a car from the 1930s and a spaceship from the prequels


a war-based vehicle from the mid 1940's and an x-wing from the OT


arguably the older vehicles actually look more advanced and polished, again designs driven by the necessity of war and the economy of raw materials.
The prequel trilogy sucks on so many levels, the story, the acting, the bad CGI, but the truth is, the discrepancy in how the vehicles looked MORE futuristic in the prequels is a fallacy.
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I would tend to agree there. The ships in the original trilogy were fighters and warships, the ships especially in TPM/AOTC were built for speed, as the Republic was not at war, and so the ships have a much sleeker design. It transitions beginning at the end of AOTC towards the ships seen in the original trilogy.
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Just saw the teaser with audio. Looks like PJ 's still got it, though waiting a year seems even more daunting at this point. Unlike the first teaser for LOTR, we now know what kind of world PJ can create and the awesome feeling of visiting it.



