The Hobbit
#476
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Originally Posted by Giles
oh so you're advocating a producer's cut then... let a film be mandated not by the director.... hmmm that doesn't seem completely fair.
#477
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by Giles
oh so you're advocating a producer's cut then... let a film be mandated not by the director.... hmmm that doesn't seem completely fair.
The thing is, the original auteaur theory allows for producers to be the "author" of a film, provided they have a clear enough creative voice. A lot of people point to producer Val Lewton being the auteur of the films he produced, while in modern days Jerry Bruckheimer seems to put a clear authorial stamp on his films.
Keep in mind that The Empire Strikes Back was a case of a film that was mandated by the producer, not the director. I personally don't see anything too wrong with a producer controlled cut, provided the producer is a known creative talent and the director goes in with this knowledge.
#478
DVD Talk Gold Edition
I don't get it. So Peter Jackson has resolved his differences with New Line, but he's still not directing? I thought that was the whole point in the two parties reaching an agreement. Talk about an anti-climatic conclusion to this bit of melodrama!
#479
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by rennervision
I don't get it. So Peter Jackson has resolved his differences with New Line, but he's still not directing? I thought that was the whole point in the two parties reaching an agreement. Talk about an anti-climatic conclusion to this bit of melodrama!
I still think he more than likely will end up producing AND directing.
#480
I can understand why he'd want to finish the saga - both financially and artistically. But it may be part of the settlement that he cannot/will not.
I hope to god that he's able to pick this one up. While the LOTR Epic is his and complete, I'd love to see his consistency bring all home.
I hope to god that he's able to pick this one up. While the LOTR Epic is his and complete, I'd love to see his consistency bring all home.
#481
Senior Member
I think it's a wise move for Jackson not direct The Hobbit. I bet he doesn't want to be stereotyped as a fantasy epic director. Raimi as director I suppose is great choice.
#483
DVD Talk Special Edition
Originally Posted by chris_sc77
I'd like to see Werner Herzog do it with a cast of real midgets. 

I'd like to see Whitey Herzog do it with a cast of Kansas City Royals.
#484
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Originally Posted by mikelowry
I think it's a wise move for Jackson not direct The Hobbit. I bet he doesn't want to be stereotyped as a fantasy epic director.
#485
DVD Talk Legend
I keep seeing people talk about Peter Jackson as a producer, but it says executive producer, which is a whole lot different than producer. I mean Harvey Weinstein was an executive producer on LOTR.
#487
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by redrum
I just watched all three EE's this weekend and I can't tell you how much I want this. The Hobbit was the first book I ever read and I've read it at least 25 times.
#489
DVD Talk Legend
Like I posted earlier I just finished watching all three of the LOTR movies again this weekend and I gave it some thought (before I heard this news).
Ian Mckellen, Andy Serkis, and Hugo Weaving must reprise their roles.
I realize that Ian Holm is too old for the part of Bilbo (and I never really pictured him as the character in The Hobbit) but I hope to god Hollywood doesn’t push to have some known “action star” type play the role. Bilbo should be older (at least in his 40’s), heavy, and slightly plain and dumpy looking. Someone like Ricky Gervais:
I think John Rhys-Davies should play the part of one of the dwarves (I forget exactly which one Gimli was related to).
Although it would cost a bit it would be cool if Orlando Bloom made a very brief cameo with the Wood Elves (the ones who capture the troop) and perhaps Liv Tyler in Rivendale. Christopher Lee could also briefly be seen when Gandalf recounts talking to Saruman when he rejoins the troop.
I also think two movies is a bad idea. The book is relatively short and doesn’t have a natural break in the middle. It could be done well in 3 to 3 ˝ hours.
Ian Mckellen, Andy Serkis, and Hugo Weaving must reprise their roles.
I realize that Ian Holm is too old for the part of Bilbo (and I never really pictured him as the character in The Hobbit) but I hope to god Hollywood doesn’t push to have some known “action star” type play the role. Bilbo should be older (at least in his 40’s), heavy, and slightly plain and dumpy looking. Someone like Ricky Gervais:
I think John Rhys-Davies should play the part of one of the dwarves (I forget exactly which one Gimli was related to).
Although it would cost a bit it would be cool if Orlando Bloom made a very brief cameo with the Wood Elves (the ones who capture the troop) and perhaps Liv Tyler in Rivendale. Christopher Lee could also briefly be seen when Gandalf recounts talking to Saruman when he rejoins the troop.
I also think two movies is a bad idea. The book is relatively short and doesn’t have a natural break in the middle. It could be done well in 3 to 3 ˝ hours.
#490
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by DeputyDave
I also think two movies is a bad idea. The book is relatively short and doesn’t have a natural break in the middle. It could be done well in 3 to 3 ˝ hours.
One will be an adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's THE HOBBIT. The second project is believed to be a bridge between THE HOBBIT and THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy - culled from the titanic amount of periphery/ancillary/notated material found in Tolkien's works. Such material can already be seen in the exiting films.
#491
Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Christopher Lee could also briefly be seen when Gandalf recounts talking to Saruman when he rejoins the troop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Council
#492
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by covenant
Or a larger role during The Second White Council, which is rumored to be included.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Council
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Council
#493
Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Lee loves the books SO MUCH he may even be willing to do a cameo for free.
#494
DVD Talk Hero
Dave - you are spot on w/ Ricky Gervais.
#495
Banned by request
Originally Posted by DeputyDave
I realize that Ian Holm is too old for the part of Bilbo (and I never really pictured him as the character in The Hobbit) but I hope to god Hollywood doesn’t push to have some known “action star” type play the role. Bilbo should be older (at least in his 40’s), heavy, and slightly plain and dumpy looking. Someone like Ricky Gervais:


Bilbo: Are you havin' a laugh? Is he havin' a laugh?
[Laugh track]
#496
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...de2a4781a40000
Don't know if it was mentioned anywhere else here, but many sources are reporting that Del Toro will direct the two Hobbit films. Great choice, IMO. This seems fairly legit, but I guess we'll see if it's true
Don't know if it was mentioned anywhere else here, but many sources are reporting that Del Toro will direct the two Hobbit films. Great choice, IMO. This seems fairly legit, but I guess we'll see if it's true
#498
DVD Talk Gold Edition
this movie just wasn't meant to happen i think
Comingsoon.net
*Judging from that last statement, there's no way New Line can win meaning The Hobbit will no longer be New Line's movie
The estate of "Lord of the Rings" creator J.R.R. Tolkien is suing New Line Cinema, claiming the company failed to pay a cut of gross profits for the blockbuster films. Here is today's statement from The Tolkien Trust:
The trustees of The Tolkien Trust, a British charity, have filed an action against New Line Cinema for its failure to pay a contractually required gross profit participation in the three films based on the world-famous Lord of the Rings trilogy. The trustees of the estate of JRR Tolkien and HarperCollins Publishers are co-plaintiffs in the lawsuit. The suit was filed today in Los Angeles Superior Court.
The Lord of the Rings films produced by New Line are among the most financially successful films ever created by Hollywood and were released in 2001, 2002 and 2003 respectively. The cumulative worldwide gross receipts to date total nearly $6 billion. Notwithstanding the overwhelming financial success of the films, and the fact that the plaintiffs have a gross participation in each of the films, New Line has failed to pay the plaintiffs any portion of the gross profit participation at all.
The trustees' UK lawyer, Steven Maier, of Manches LLP, said: "The Tolkien trustees do not file lawsuits lightly, and have tried unsuccessfully to resolve their claims out of court. But in this case, New Line has left them no option at all. New Line has not paid the plaintiffs even one penny of its contractual share of gross receipts despite the billions of dollars of gross revenue generated by these wildly successful motion pictures. To make matters worse, to date New Line has even prevented the plaintiffs from auditing the last two films of the series. The trustees are very aggrieved by New Line's arrogance."
The complaint seeks, among other things, in excess of $150 million in compensatory damages, as well as punitive damages, and a declaration from the Court that the plaintiffs have a right to terminate any further rights New Line may have to the Tolkien works under the agreements, including The Hobbit, due to the serious and material nature of the breach of the agreements.
Bonnie Eskenazi, the trustees' US counsel who filed the complaint, said, "New Line has brought new meaning to the phrase 'creative accounting.' I cannot imagine how on earth New Line will argue to a jury that these films could gross literally billions of dollars, and yet the creator's heirs, who are entitled to a share of gross receipts, don't get a penny."
JRR Tolkien is the world-renowned author of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy and "The Hobbit." The Tolkien Trust is a UK registered charity that has made grants to charitable causes all over the world totaling over $8 million in the last five years alone
The trustees of The Tolkien Trust, a British charity, have filed an action against New Line Cinema for its failure to pay a contractually required gross profit participation in the three films based on the world-famous Lord of the Rings trilogy. The trustees of the estate of JRR Tolkien and HarperCollins Publishers are co-plaintiffs in the lawsuit. The suit was filed today in Los Angeles Superior Court.
The Lord of the Rings films produced by New Line are among the most financially successful films ever created by Hollywood and were released in 2001, 2002 and 2003 respectively. The cumulative worldwide gross receipts to date total nearly $6 billion. Notwithstanding the overwhelming financial success of the films, and the fact that the plaintiffs have a gross participation in each of the films, New Line has failed to pay the plaintiffs any portion of the gross profit participation at all.
The trustees' UK lawyer, Steven Maier, of Manches LLP, said: "The Tolkien trustees do not file lawsuits lightly, and have tried unsuccessfully to resolve their claims out of court. But in this case, New Line has left them no option at all. New Line has not paid the plaintiffs even one penny of its contractual share of gross receipts despite the billions of dollars of gross revenue generated by these wildly successful motion pictures. To make matters worse, to date New Line has even prevented the plaintiffs from auditing the last two films of the series. The trustees are very aggrieved by New Line's arrogance."
The complaint seeks, among other things, in excess of $150 million in compensatory damages, as well as punitive damages, and a declaration from the Court that the plaintiffs have a right to terminate any further rights New Line may have to the Tolkien works under the agreements, including The Hobbit, due to the serious and material nature of the breach of the agreements.
Bonnie Eskenazi, the trustees' US counsel who filed the complaint, said, "New Line has brought new meaning to the phrase 'creative accounting.' I cannot imagine how on earth New Line will argue to a jury that these films could gross literally billions of dollars, and yet the creator's heirs, who are entitled to a share of gross receipts, don't get a penny."
JRR Tolkien is the world-renowned author of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy and "The Hobbit." The Tolkien Trust is a UK registered charity that has made grants to charitable causes all over the world totaling over $8 million in the last five years alone
*Judging from that last statement, there's no way New Line can win meaning The Hobbit will no longer be New Line's movie
#499
DVD Talk Legend
It may still happen. They just gave Peter Jackson $40 mill to keep this dream alive.
Jeez is New Line a bunch of scumbags or what??
Peter Jackson has to sue to get his promised money?
Then the Tolkein estate has to sue to get theirs?
Is that just the way these studios work? Renigging on all their contracts and forcing people to sue them to get their damn money??
Remind me never to make a blockbuster movie for any Hollywood studio.
I wouldn't much mind if the film rights get snatched away from New Line. They deserve to get a takedown on this one.
Jeez is New Line a bunch of scumbags or what??
Peter Jackson has to sue to get his promised money?
Then the Tolkein estate has to sue to get theirs?
Is that just the way these studios work? Renigging on all their contracts and forcing people to sue them to get their damn money??
Remind me never to make a blockbuster movie for any Hollywood studio.

I wouldn't much mind if the film rights get snatched away from New Line. They deserve to get a takedown on this one.
#500
DVD Talk Legend
I'm wondering how the Estate managed to finagle a percentage of the gross, when by most accounts Tolkien had sold off the film rights to LOTR and the Hobbit to UA for a flat fee back in 1969. Gross percentages weren't a common part of writers' contracts back then.
From
http://books.guardian.co.uk/tolkien/...618713,00.html
"In 1969, as his family revealed this week, [Tolkien] finally sold the film rights for $250,000."
Also, New Line licensed the film rights from Saul Zaentz, who had bought the rights from UA.
http://www.tolkien-ent.com/
From
http://books.guardian.co.uk/tolkien/...618713,00.html
"In 1969, as his family revealed this week, [Tolkien] finally sold the film rights for $250,000."
Also, New Line licensed the film rights from Saul Zaentz, who had bought the rights from UA.
http://www.tolkien-ent.com/



