So what version will be released on DVD and HD DVD? Or will we be seing a double-dip on both formats?

Thank you Corvin - us Crow fans need to stick together :)

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It's only a matter of time before we're on the opposite side of the fence for a different movie.

I can't believe I read this whole thread today. I'm glad so many of you enjoyed this movie. I rented it last night and thought it was just...bad.

Pros:
-Incredible CGI
-Great sound
-Peter Cullen
-Megan Fox is smokin' (but looked older than a high school student)
-Bernie Mac

Cons:
-Groan-inducing dialogue
-Too long
-Too many unnecessary characters
-Humor that wasn't funny
-Michael Bay's puzzling inability to linger on a shot for longer than 5 seconds*
-Some of the Transformers were indistinguishable from each other

I know the above cons are staples of Bay's oeuvre, but sometimes I can overlook them and dig his movies (The Rock, the attack scenes in Pearl Harbor, Team America :) ). I guess I just couldn't get past that stuff with this one.

Although, I learned reading this thread about Starscream's attacking of Megatron, which I missed last night. It get's a point or two for that.

It certainly wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen, but it wasn't all that great, either. Live Free or Die Hard is still the best summer action movie of '07, IMO (stupid title notwithstanding).

*I brought this up to my friend before he saw it and then he told me he wished I hadn't because he couldn't stop noticing it :lol:

Touche. I was looking forward to this on my big plasma, but even with incredible effects it was a crappy as hell movie. I told my wife I wish I was 14-years-old just for two hours while watching this. I was too old for the toys, so that probably doesn't help. Regardless, didn't enjoy this at all.

Yeah, I don't know why people liked this flick so much. The effects were awesome, but beyond that...terrible. My hatred for it was sealed when one of the transformers pissed on someone. And "my bad..."

Yeah I thought it was just okay at the theaters but picked up the 2 disc set for the extras. Watching it again, it is indeed an awful movie on so many levels. Just randomly cutting 45 minutes out would greatly improve this film.

I think how much you enjoy the movie depends on what you were expecting out of it, and how much a fan you are of the toys/cartoon.

I was not a big fan of the show, even as a kid, and have very vague, hazy memories of it now. As for the movie, all I wanted and expected from it was 2 hours of shit blowing up and giant robots wailing on each other, and that's more or less what I got, so I liked it. Yes, some of the stabs at humor were a bit off, but many were welcome moments at lightening the mood of the film and keeping it from drowning in its own seriousness and self-importance, and yes, the movie was overlong, but that can be said of almost any film coming out these days.

And I know Michael Bay is widely disliked on the Internet, but I thought this was a perfect combination of director and material. Like him or not, you have to admit he knows how to direct an action sequence: the images are often striking, you can clearly see what is going on and where somebody is in relation to the other characters, and the shots flow together naturally. I shudder to think what would have happened had some untested director tried his hand at the movie and done it in a more "modern" action style, which is to say clumsy, jumbled messes of jittery, handheld shots and 1-second edits consisting mainly of closeups.

No, it wasn't perfect, but it was solid effort, and I look forward to seeing what Bay and co. have in store for the sequel.

I don't know what movie you were watching, but I expected the same thing, only to receive 30 minutes (if that) of (incomprehensible) robot action. For a 140 minute movie, that's nothing but disappointing.

I was watching the exact same movie you were, and felt the action was sufficient. And if you thought the action was "incomprehensible" to watch, I'm curious to hear what you think a good, comprehensible action scene is that's on or near the same scale as Transformers.

Don't get slop started Green. :lol: If you read the previous pages he has a personal vendetta against this movie and anyone who liked it. He's on a mission. :lol::p

Well, I do admit to getting somewhat hyperbolic, but I think the movie gave me cancer... or maybe it's the brain damage I got from it that kept me from liking it. Although I think brain damage might lead me to actually liking it. ;)

The whole time I was watching this movie I couldn't help wishing someone other than Bay had directed this. I wasn't expecting much from him and he managed to stretch that not much to well over 2 hours. Not that I can't appreciate a Bay movie, I just think this movie shouldn't have been one.

The cancer is called "Videodrome"

For me, a movie can never pass alone on good effects. These were some of the best effects I've ever seen (at times) and still thought the movie sucked. I felt like I was just watching someone else play my Xbox.

Seriously, where were you guys this summer when I felt like I was waging a one-man war against people that though this thing kicked ass? :)

I LOVED this flick seen it a few times in theaters

Wisely saving money by waiting to rent it on DVD. :)

I read this whole thread yesterday (hours I should've spent working) and it was pretty much a lovefest until you showed up halfway through. I agree with almost all of your criticisms. The product placement didn't really bug me, though.

Loved the movie. Nobody can convince me it wasn't a great movie. Sorry, my opinion.

Loved the movie as well. I was never into Transformers as a kid, but this made me feel like a 3 year old again.

Although I do agree that some of them looked too similar so at the end I was confused as all fucking hell, but it was still awesome. :D

ILM deserves 8 billion awards for this movie. Watching the extras just shows how amazing the live action shots and CGI were.

Fair enough. For me, I expect different things from different movies; otherwise, I'll constantly set myself up for disappointment.

Weren't you that guy who was foaming at the mouth and constantly posting about how Michael Bay was raping your precious children's cartoon/toy line because he chose a slightly different truck model for Optimus Prime among other minor things? Like you were ever going to watch this thing with an open mind.

I agree with most of the common criticisms, i just find them to be highly exaggerated.

I can look past the bad 10-20% of a move when the rest is so entertaining. I don't believe that the bad somehow cancels out the good, especially when the bad stuff is relatively minor in the grand scheme of the movie.

Totally agree on this point. I could have done without Bumblebee pissing on Jon Turturo, just like I could have done without the entire CIA analyst storyline, Frenzy included.

But does that outweigh the awesome bombasity of the robot battles? Does it undue the emotion or awe of the Autobots Arrival montage? Did it whipe the smile from my face everytime Peter Cullen's voice passed through Optimus' lips? (Yes, they gave him lips, good christ, let's boycot!)

The answer to all of these is no.

Now when the the sheer magnitude of the cheese and crap covers every frame so solidly that it prevents light from even penetrating into the good scenes, then you can call a movie utter garbage (I'm looking at you, Spidey 3...).


-Doc

If you think it's possible for me to "foam at the mouth" over something like this, I'd say you are confusing me with someone else.

And if you want to see what I thought of the film, feel free to read the thread again. I was very clear that my problems with the film had nothing to do with the changes that Bay chose to make, but with the length, the extraneous and pointless characters, terrible jokes like "my bad", excessive and unneccesary product placement and the fact that the robots (especially the Decepticons) are barely in half of the film.

I still don't understand why this movie gets such a pass. If they had spent half as much money on the script as they did on one action sequence, we might have ended up with something decent. Instead we get Bumblebee pissing on a government agent in a joke T-shirt. Awesome.

No, I think I have the right guy. Yeah, I'm sure I do:

No, those are drastic changes to the character's design. Picking one semi-truck model over another is a minor aesthetic change at most. Nine out of ten people who remember Optimus Prime would say he's a semi. They're not gonna know or care if he was a Mack or a Peterbuilt.

So changing the car form apparently destroys the essence of a character most people don't know/remember or give a shit about. The majority of audiences who saw the movie probably only remember Prime and Megatron--if that.

Realism in a giant, transforming, talking robot movie...OK.

As somebody pointed out in the old thread, they ARE alien and weird.

I thought G.I. Joe, Thundercats and Voltron were all cool when I was a kid. Now they're all laughably bad pieces of shit, so I hope they "royally fuck up" any future live-action versions the same way they did with Transformers.

Get real. The studio didn't give a shit luring Transformers fans into seats; if they came, it was a bonus. They wanted mass audiences, people of all ages and genders, the people who go to all the big summer movies, and they accomplished their mission. And you're sadly mistaken if you think Transformers is anywhere near the level of popularity of Star Wars or recognition by the general population.

:lol: at Michael Bay ever being restrained. His movies have always been unbelievable and over the top, starting from Bad Boys and onwards. Which makes him a perfect director for a story about 30' tall alien robots who beat each other up.

Not so much "passionate" as "live-action Comic Book Guy."

(PS: Did you act the exact same way when you found out Bryan Singer was going to have all the X-Men wear uniform outfits?)