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Drop 10-07-07 04:15 PM

Just got back from seeing it at the Ziegfeld. It was incredible. First time really seeing the whole thing. I've caught pieces of it over the years, and knew a lot about it, but knowing about an eventual final cut I never wanted to see it in those versions.

The picture and sound really made it worth it. No home experience can come close to that presentation.

I thought the glare in his eyes was pretty easy to see, my brother thought it was about the same from the director's cut. Really just loved the mood evoked.

If it's doable to make a trip, go see this.

Supermallet 10-07-07 04:29 PM

I'd have to watch the DC again (something I now have no interest in doing), but I have a vivid memory of the Deckard's eye glare being far more noticeable.

Drop 10-07-07 06:08 PM

The only way to know is to make a direct comparison. I found it with no problem. Having never seen the full film, but knowing plenty, I was expecting a glare to his eyes, I just didn't know when it occured. It popped out to me in a surprising way, all out of focus.

I'm sure people going in cold might not notice it. I loved that effect, though, it was just enough unsettling.

TheGuy 10-07-07 06:43 PM

Saw it last night in NYC at the 10pm showing, I would have to say one of my top movie going experiences in my life. The presentation was spectacular, the movie looked like it was filmed yesterday, and the sound was amazing.

The crowd was respectful to the movie, no cell phones, talking or crying babys. I might try and see it again before it leaves town. It was great to see it again on the big screen, the last time was the original release all those years ago. :)

Supermallet 10-07-07 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Drop
The only way to know is to make a direct comparison. I found it with no problem. Having never seen the full film, but knowing plenty, I was expecting a glare to his eyes, I just didn't know when it occured. It popped out to me in a surprising way, all out of focus.

I'm sure people going in cold might not notice it. I loved that effect, though, it was just enough unsettling.

I'll have to compare the two when I get the 5-disc Blu-ray and HD DVD sets.

Meanwhile, I think I will try and catch this again tomorrow.

Lara Means 10-08-07 01:06 AM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
But the best part about it is that this version no longer beats you over the head with the idea that Deckard is a Replicant. The infamous line Bryant has that suggests that there are five surviving Replicants has been changed, so that's been taken care of. The shot where Deckard's eyes glow is no longer so obvious. If you're not paying careful attention, you might not even catch it anymore. I think they might actually have digitally lessened the glare to make it harder to notice. And the editing in the unicorn sequence no longer makes it look like Deckard has fallen asleep, which means it could be interpreted as Deckard brooding over Rachael, intercut with a unicorn which is meant to symbolize her -- i.e., she's not real. .


The were no changes made to make anyone think Deckard is human. In an earlier version of the script "Mary" was the fifth replicant, and "Hodge"
was the sixth. Bryant's line in that script got past the screenwriter
unnoticed. It was recorded correctly in the Workprint as "two got fried" but
botched again on the release print. The Deckard eye glow is the same. You just think its different because the final cut print is perfect. Yes, Deckard now day dreams about the unicorn but that other bullshit you brought up is too stupid for me to respond.

Supermallet 10-08-07 01:32 AM

Wow, Lara, what an insightful reply. "All that other bullshit...is too stupid for me to respond." In point of fact, the idea that the origami unicorn was meant to represent Rachael was the standard theory before the director's cut existed, and I think it's still perfectly valid. I never said this print wipes away all suggestion that Deckard is a Replicant, simply that it adds more ambiguity than the last cut did. No need to take offense. If you want to think Deckard is a Replicant, than you can interpret this cut to support that theory. I don't think he is, and have found that this cut also allows for my interpretation, as well. That isn't a bad thing.

You were correct that the Bryant line was always a mistake, but some people used that mistake to justify their claims of Deckard being a Replicant. There's no need to be rude.

Mabuse 10-08-07 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by Neeb
Blade Runner had its return engagement at the NuArt in 1992 and played for several weeks there. It is directly responsible for its critical acclaim from the last 15 years.
That's what the fuck.

Do you really think I'm ignorant of this information? After all the stuff I spouted off about theaters and projection? I'm aware of the NuArt screenings, and their place in BR lore, but why would that make you want to see it there rather than in a state of the art theater?

aintnosin 10-08-07 12:35 PM

Wow, just saw it Saturday at the Landmark (1:50pm showing). I'd only see prior version of BR on home video, so seeing on the big screen for the first time was just plain eye-opening. I've been holding out on the the whole Blu-Ray/HD DVD thing but I may need to vote with my wallet so I can get this in HD.

angelamia 10-08-07 02:34 PM

Ah i haven't been able to get my ass to the theatre yet (well ok, i couldnt find someone to go with me and i didnt want to go alone...) so i watched the directors cut again. im dying to see the change in quality and the new scenes.

(btw i loved someones comment on the first page saying "Wait, there's places between Los Angeles and New York?" i had a boss that had a shirt with those two cities on the map and an arrow saying "other" pointing at the rest)

and i conclude my post by mentioning something you may or may not think is kind of neat (i do) theres a blade runner art contest starting up that i came across and im excited to see the kind of submissions that come in. (bladerunnercontest.com) That kind of stuff really interests me. I've been perusing fan art online recently on deviant art so i wonder what else will be made

the end.

C-Mart 10-08-07 03:46 PM

Going to see this tonight. I am glad that I get the chance, as it is only here at the Landmark for 1 week! (Its a couple hours drive for me)

Supermallet 10-08-07 05:55 PM

Be sure to order your tickets in advance, C-Mart. They're selling out shows left and right.

Jason Bovberg 10-08-07 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by C-Mart
...as it is only here at the Landmark for 1 week!

Ack! Are you sure about that? I thought this was a two-week run! I'll be visiting LA beginning Oct. 18 and was hoping to catch it on its last night. Someone please tell me C-Mart is wrong. :)

Supermallet 10-08-07 06:14 PM

The Landmark's website does not list whether it's playing for one week or two. It's just listed as an "exclusive engagement."

I myself heard it was only for one week. :shrug:

MGR 10-08-07 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
The Landmark's website does not list whether it's playing for one week or two. It's just listed as an "exclusive engagement."

I myself heard it was only for one week. :shrug:

I just now called The Landmark theater (310-470-0492), and a lady told me they won't know at the theater until Wednesday whether Blade Runner will be extended for a second week or not.

Guess I'd better plan on definitely driving to LA by Thursday just in case it doesn't get another week.

But if they're selling out lot of the shows you'd certainly think they would...

Tracer Bullet 10-08-07 08:12 PM

Here in New York the theater's website has it running until October 18. I'd be suprised if Los Angeles is different.

Supermallet 10-08-07 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by MGR
I just now called The Landmark theater (310-470-0492), and a lady told me they won't know at the theater until Wednesday whether Blade Runner will be extended for a second week or not.

Guess I'd better plan on definitely driving to LA by Thursday just in case it doesn't get another week.

But if they're selling out lot of the shows you'd certainly think they would...

It's been selling out like mad. Still, the way Warner is treating this, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to yank it after a week. Anyone interested should see it ASAP.

Giles 10-09-07 09:33 AM

I was all siked to go up to New York City to see over last weekend, but alas wasn't able to make it...

question: at LA's Landmark there's a 4K logo before the feature, is there one before at the Ziegfeld - it was my understanding that the Z's digital system was a 2K DLP system, or was a LCoS system installed for this engagement?

Tracer Bullet 10-09-07 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Giles
question: at LA's Landmark there's a 4K logo before the feature, is there one before at the Ziegfeld - it was my understanding that the Z's digital system was a 2K DLP system, or was a LCoS system installed for this engagement?

I didn't see one.

C-Mart 10-09-07 11:02 AM

The Landmark website doesn't list Blade Runner if you set the date for this Friday, but it does for Thursday. That doesn't mean that they can't still extend it I suppose. We went to the 7:50 showing last night, there were probably 100 seats left when we bought our tickets about an hour before the show. The place was pretty full, but not sold out.

As for the film... it looked and sounded great, but it just didn't draw me in. There were a lot of things that really dated it, like the machine for the test or the TV that Deckard uses to scan the photograph, and some of the sound effects sounded like they should have been in a cartoon... I didn't want them to change that stuff, because I don't agree with the whole digital enhancement thing (i.e. walkie talkies instead of guns, jawas falling off of Rontos, etc...). Even the soundtrack with all the synthesizer and "futuristic" music that was used back in the 80s was too dated.

But that in and of itself was not enough for me not to like the movie... I think I never really liked it in the first place, I just always had an appreciation for it because of the following that it had, and the whole studio cut vs. directors cut thing. Thinking back, I only remember watching my DVD once, and maybe a VHS tape before that... but I don't know that I ever truly enjoyed the movie.

Or maybe I was just too tired last night?

Tracer Bullet 10-09-07 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by C-Mart
As for the film... it looked and sounded great, but it just didn't draw me in. There were a lot of things that really dated it, like the machine for the test or the TV that Deckard uses to scan the photograph, and some of the sound effects sounded like they should have been in a cartoon... I didn't want them to change that stuff, because I don't agree with the whole digital enhancement thing (i.e. walkie talkies instead of guns, jawas falling off of Rontos, etc...). Even the soundtrack with all the synthesizer and "futuristic" music that was used back in the 80s was too dated.

That's funny, because one of the things I was struck most by was how much the movie still feels like the future. Sure, the computers and other tech look outdated, but that's not the point of the movie.

Drop 10-09-07 11:42 AM

C-Mart, I think Blade Runner is a film for a certain group of people. If you didn't like it then you didn't like. Maybe you'd appreciate it the more you watched it, but I doubt you'd love it like some of us do. No big deal, you seem to have a disconnect with it. At least your not like some people that call it a terrible or awful film, you can recognize that there is something appealing about it and that it is well made with the intention to make something great, it's just not for you.

As for the things that dated it, those things don't bother me, I just accept that this is one possible future. Our technoloy could've been like that, that world is so damaged and torn that it felt reasonable their tech advanced in different ways.

The synth music is indispensible to me, the soundtrack is incredible. I never found synth music to feel futuristic. It felt more like a different kind of mood, which fits the film so well.

Anyway, Blade Runner has quickly become one of my favorite films. I can't stop thinking about it.

Artman 10-09-07 11:51 AM

They didn't change the date did they? Isn't it something like 2015?

Giles 10-09-07 11:59 AM

does the 'Final Cut' restore all the violence that was present in the Euro cut?

as for the Landmark engagements (in general), they are usually pretty good in noting if and when a film is ending - they always denote "must end _____"

Tracer Bullet 10-09-07 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Artman
They didn't change the date did they? Isn't it something like 2015?

2019.


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