Saw Hostel 2
06-13-07 | 07:55 AM
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mzupeman2: I felt the characters in the first one were just as cliched: obnoxious ussy-p hounds and the quiet more thoughtful dude. I didn't care about any of them. In part II, I did feel compassion for Heather Matarazzo's charater when the shit hit the fan.
06-13-07 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by raven56706
can someone tell me the ending ? wont see this movie but from the commercials, they said it was a surprise ending...
Spoiler:
Good times.
06-13-07 | 09:56 AM
#154
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Originally Posted by LiquidSky
mzupeman2: I felt the characters in the first one were just as cliched: obnoxious ussy-p hounds and the quiet more thoughtful dude. I didn't care about any of them. In part II, I did feel compassion for Heather Matarazzo's charater when the shit hit the fan.
There were definitely a great number of things I appreciated about Hostel II, I just think that most of it was executed poorly, the payoff didn't work as well, and it all seemed to end so abruptly.
06-16-07 | 05:39 PM
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Eli Roth put this in his MySpace blog:
No Eli. Nobody is seeing your movie as it's a piece of shit and this is coming from someone who loved your last two full-length efforts and waited until opening night (instead of downloading the screener) to watch the flick to catch it with a packed audience who hated it just as much as I did.
Originally Posted by Eli Roth
Hey Everyone,
I'm in Paris, doing press for the French release of Hostel Part II, and tonight I'm off to Rome for the last leg of the press tour. After that I'm going to take a long overdue break, since I've gone from one film to the next without stopping, just to recharge my brain a bit.
I want to thank all of you for your kind e-mails and incredible support for the film. However, piracy has become worse than ever now, and a stolen workprint (with uninished music, no sound effects, and no VFX) leaked out on line before the release, and is really hurting us, especially internationally. Piracy will be the death of the film industry, as it killed the music industry, and while it makes a smaller dent in huge movies like Spider Man 3, it really hurts films like mine, which have far less of an advertising and production budget. Not only that, critics have actually been REVIEWING the film based off the pirated copy, which is inexcusable. Some of these critics I have actually known for a few years, and while I wouldn't dignify them by mentioning them by name, I know who they are, as do the studios, and other filmmakers, and they will no longer have any access to any of my films.
What I'm saying is, this is your last chance to see one of my films for a while. If you haven't seen it, go now, because after next weekend the film will be gone from theaters. There are too many other summer movies coming in, so basically we get two weeks in cinemas, and then the film will live on DVD. I am not directing CELL any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring, and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall. If everyone on my friends list went to see the film this weekend and brought a friend, it would make a huge difference. Bring a non-horror fan - try to convert them. It's the only way these films will live. But right now the R rated horror film is in serious jeopardy. Studios feel the public doesn't want them any more, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R rated horror. It's the only message they'll hear. People love the movie, and even though it only cost $10 million dollars (as opposed to the other summer tentpoles which cost $300 million), and has already earned its money back, if it's not a massive money earner then they'll just continue to make the same PG-13 films everyone complained about a few years ago.
To counter piracy, fans can flood file sharing services with fake Hostel II downloads just so no one can ever actually get the movie, but the only thing that really makes a difference is supporting the movie in the theaters. Also - the theater OWNERS know this as well. If horror movies aren't bringing in customers, they're not going to program them. If we are going to send them a message, we have to do it with our wallets, and we have to do it now. I've done all I can to make a great film for the fans, as violent and bloody and fun as possible. The rest is up to you guys...
Thanks again for all your support,
Eli
I'm in Paris, doing press for the French release of Hostel Part II, and tonight I'm off to Rome for the last leg of the press tour. After that I'm going to take a long overdue break, since I've gone from one film to the next without stopping, just to recharge my brain a bit.
I want to thank all of you for your kind e-mails and incredible support for the film. However, piracy has become worse than ever now, and a stolen workprint (with uninished music, no sound effects, and no VFX) leaked out on line before the release, and is really hurting us, especially internationally. Piracy will be the death of the film industry, as it killed the music industry, and while it makes a smaller dent in huge movies like Spider Man 3, it really hurts films like mine, which have far less of an advertising and production budget. Not only that, critics have actually been REVIEWING the film based off the pirated copy, which is inexcusable. Some of these critics I have actually known for a few years, and while I wouldn't dignify them by mentioning them by name, I know who they are, as do the studios, and other filmmakers, and they will no longer have any access to any of my films.
What I'm saying is, this is your last chance to see one of my films for a while. If you haven't seen it, go now, because after next weekend the film will be gone from theaters. There are too many other summer movies coming in, so basically we get two weeks in cinemas, and then the film will live on DVD. I am not directing CELL any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring, and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall. If everyone on my friends list went to see the film this weekend and brought a friend, it would make a huge difference. Bring a non-horror fan - try to convert them. It's the only way these films will live. But right now the R rated horror film is in serious jeopardy. Studios feel the public doesn't want them any more, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R rated horror. It's the only message they'll hear. People love the movie, and even though it only cost $10 million dollars (as opposed to the other summer tentpoles which cost $300 million), and has already earned its money back, if it's not a massive money earner then they'll just continue to make the same PG-13 films everyone complained about a few years ago.
To counter piracy, fans can flood file sharing services with fake Hostel II downloads just so no one can ever actually get the movie, but the only thing that really makes a difference is supporting the movie in the theaters. Also - the theater OWNERS know this as well. If horror movies aren't bringing in customers, they're not going to program them. If we are going to send them a message, we have to do it with our wallets, and we have to do it now. I've done all I can to make a great film for the fans, as violent and bloody and fun as possible. The rest is up to you guys...
Thanks again for all your support,
Eli
06-16-07 | 10:02 PM
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Eli Roth has a tendency to run around and act like he's bigger than he really is. He's certainly got one hell of an ego on him.
I didn't really think Cabin Fever was too good, although I thought Hostel was brilliant. Eli Roth now made an 'average at best' sequel that really didn't hit home, and what a surprise, didn't do that well. Now he's acting like his movie is the first to really be hit by piracy.
I'm not really a supporter of piracy mind you, I have about a thousand DVD's that are all purchased from stores. The only burned DVD I have is of TV shows that aired that I download that I'll burn... and I always buy them later!
But here's Eli, using the 'see my movie or else Hollywood will make more PG-13 crap' threat to get us to help out his flick. He's being whiny. Now, Hollywood has BEEN turning stuff into PG-13 in order to try and get more money and more people in the theater... that's nothing new.
I'm all for helping out the horror genre and seeing something in the theater with a hard R rating, but if it's crap, I wont' tell my friends to go see it! A lot of movie buzz gets generated for a film like Hostel 2 from people who see it and rave about it. Not a lot of people I know, are raving about it. I'm certainly not.
Besides, I don't think we're in jeapordy... Rob Zombie's Halloween is coming out with an R rating and I'm sure that'll show the studios that R ratings can still get money in the horror biz.
I didn't really think Cabin Fever was too good, although I thought Hostel was brilliant. Eli Roth now made an 'average at best' sequel that really didn't hit home, and what a surprise, didn't do that well. Now he's acting like his movie is the first to really be hit by piracy.
I'm not really a supporter of piracy mind you, I have about a thousand DVD's that are all purchased from stores. The only burned DVD I have is of TV shows that aired that I download that I'll burn... and I always buy them later!
But here's Eli, using the 'see my movie or else Hollywood will make more PG-13 crap' threat to get us to help out his flick. He's being whiny. Now, Hollywood has BEEN turning stuff into PG-13 in order to try and get more money and more people in the theater... that's nothing new.
I'm all for helping out the horror genre and seeing something in the theater with a hard R rating, but if it's crap, I wont' tell my friends to go see it! A lot of movie buzz gets generated for a film like Hostel 2 from people who see it and rave about it. Not a lot of people I know, are raving about it. I'm certainly not.
Besides, I don't think we're in jeapordy... Rob Zombie's Halloween is coming out with an R rating and I'm sure that'll show the studios that R ratings can still get money in the horror biz.
06-17-07 | 08:05 AM
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I agree with you mzupeman2 I didn't really think Cabin Fever was all that great either.
Hell even through I thought the first Hostel was pretty good, I would hardly call it brilliant. I'm probally the only one that is going to pick it up when it comes to DVD (I just buy movies, don't go to theatres) because even through this movie is being ripped apart I still would like to see for myself how bad it really is.
Hell even through I thought the first Hostel was pretty good, I would hardly call it brilliant. I'm probally the only one that is going to pick it up when it comes to DVD (I just buy movies, don't go to theatres) because even through this movie is being ripped apart I still would like to see for myself how bad it really is.
06-17-07 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
No Eli. Nobody is seeing your movie as it's a piece of shit and this is coming from someone who loved your last two full-length efforts and waited until opening night (instead of downloading the screener) to watch the flick to catch it with a packed audience who hated it just as much as I did.
I just recently saw the first Hostel (yeah, I saw 2 before 1) and I thought it was a thousand times better than 2.
06-17-07 | 03:33 PM
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I've read some user reviews on IMDB and people complain that the CGI on the phones is distracting (in which the graphics are 'floating' on top of the phone) and that it's "really weird" that they'd forget to remove the greenscreen in one scene. I think that's very unfortunate that a lot of the people who download the workprint think it's just sloppy filmmaking (I know, I know, people may say that the movie itself is sloppy filmmaking, but that shouldn't include unfinished elements from a workprint).
06-17-07 | 03:58 PM
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The workprint of the original Hostel had the same issues (horrible super imposing), anybody who complains of that should have their reviewing privledges revoked.
06-17-07 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nateman241
I agree with you mzupeman2 I didn't really think Cabin Fever was all that great either.
Hell even through I thought the first Hostel was pretty good, I would hardly call it brilliant. I'm probally the only one that is going to pick it up when it comes to DVD (I just buy movies, don't go to theatres) because even through this movie is being ripped apart I still would like to see for myself how bad it really is.
Hell even through I thought the first Hostel was pretty good, I would hardly call it brilliant. I'm probally the only one that is going to pick it up when it comes to DVD (I just buy movies, don't go to theatres) because even through this movie is being ripped apart I still would like to see for myself how bad it really is.
There's a lot of pretty cool elements in this movie, unfortunately they weren't played up well enough and the characters are way too cliche and bland.
06-18-07 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mzupeman2
Besides, I don't think we're in jeapordy... Rob Zombie's Halloween is coming out with an R rating and I'm sure that'll show the studios that R ratings can still get money in the horror biz.
It could, but studios might look at that as going off name. Honestly, if -- or when -- Halloween does well, it has a lot to do with the name and character. There's a nostalgia kick there. Same reason Freddy vs Jason did well.
Studios might look at that as a one time deal. I do see more remakes being thrown into production if the film does well.
Halloween doing well is a double edged sword. It's good for the genre. It will lead to more horror, but it will likely lead to more remakes. Nothing original.
Look forward to Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes. It's funny really. Halloween came first, then Friday, then Elm Street. Looks as if that pattern is happening all over again in the same exact way. It's weird. Followed by the sequel train.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Hills Have Eyes, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street... Same order.
How long till the Scream remake? We still have time. Maybe not. There was early talk about doing one that was ditched. That film is only 11 years old.
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06-18-07 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Seantn
Either way, I fully understand that he's upset about critics reviewing the workprint.
BTW, I'm still a bit angry about the whole bit about the ending that was "never before seen in movies", and it turns out that that ending HAS been used before. Talk about crappy hype...
-jason
06-18-07 | 02:06 PM
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On Fangoria Radio Eli names one reviewer who did it, but I don't recall who it was.
The Hostel II workprint is an unfinished version of the movie. That's all there is to get. It wasn't ready to be reviewed. I'm sure the critics who hated it would have hated it in it's finished form, but I think it sucks that people grabbed an unfinished version and judged it from that. Obviously others will disagree, and that's fine, i'm not here to argue that point with them. I know downloading movies online is a big issue that could fill up 25 pages in a thread, but in the end, it won't sway anybodies opinion, so I don't see the point in getting into it. It'll just end in arguments. So, that's my 2 cents
The Hostel II workprint is an unfinished version of the movie. That's all there is to get. It wasn't ready to be reviewed. I'm sure the critics who hated it would have hated it in it's finished form, but I think it sucks that people grabbed an unfinished version and judged it from that. Obviously others will disagree, and that's fine, i'm not here to argue that point with them. I know downloading movies online is a big issue that could fill up 25 pages in a thread, but in the end, it won't sway anybodies opinion, so I don't see the point in getting into it. It'll just end in arguments. So, that's my 2 cents
06-18-07 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by retihsuhnt
The elevator for one and the "chew toy" for the other.
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06-18-07 | 03:11 PM
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So now...every "professional" reviewer that gave it a negative review must've seen the workprint? Is the story different in the workprint?
06-21-07 | 11:45 PM
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What a pussy.
So which is it? Those crummy reviewers who wont give Horror a chance or piracy? And yes, Piracy has killed the music industry as you can tell from the lack of any new music since the invention of the internet..
Hey Everyone,
I'm in Paris, doing press for the French release of Hostel Part II, and tonight I'm off to Rome for the last leg of the press tour. After that I'm going to take a long overdue break, since I've gone from one film to the next without stopping, just to recharge my brain a bit.
I want to thank all of you for your kind e-mails and incredible support for the film. However, piracy has become worse than ever now, and a stolen workprint (with uninished music, no sound effects, and no VFX) leaked out on line before the release, and is really hurting us, especially internationally. Piracy will be the death of the film industry, as it killed the music industry, and while it makes a smaller dent in huge movies like Spider Man 3, it really hurts films like mine, which have far less of an advertising and production budget. Not only that, critics have actually been REVIEWING the film based off the pirated copy, which is inexcusable. Some of these critics I have actually known for a few years, and while I wouldn't dignify them by mentioning them by name, I know who they are, as do the studios, and other filmmakers, and they will no longer have any access to any of my films.
What I'm saying is, this is your last chance to see one of my films for a while. If you haven't seen it, go now, because after next weekend the film will be gone from theaters. There are too many other summer movies coming in, so basically we get two weeks in cinemas, and then the film will live on DVD. I am not directing CELL any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring, and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall. If everyone on my friends list went to see the film this weekend and brought a friend, it would make a huge difference. Bring a non-horror fan - try to convert them. It's the only way these films will live. But right now the R rated horror film is in serious jeopardy. Studios feel the public doesn't want them any more, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R rated horror. It's the only message they'll hear. People love the movie, and even though it only cost $10 million dollars (as opposed to the other summer tentpoles which cost $300 million), and has already earned its money back, if it's not a massive money earner then they'll just continue to make the same PG-13 films everyone complained about a few years ago.
To counter piracy, fans can flood file sharing services with fake Hostel II downloads just so no one can ever actually get the movie, but the only thing that really makes a difference is supporting the movie in the theaters. Also - the theater OWNERS know this as well. If horror movies aren't bringing in customers, they're not going to program them. If we are going to send them a message, we have to do it with our wallets, and we have to do it now. I've done all I can to make a great film for the fans, as violent and bloody and fun as possible. The rest is up to you guys...
Thanks again for all your support,
Eli
I'm in Paris, doing press for the French release of Hostel Part II, and tonight I'm off to Rome for the last leg of the press tour. After that I'm going to take a long overdue break, since I've gone from one film to the next without stopping, just to recharge my brain a bit.
I want to thank all of you for your kind e-mails and incredible support for the film. However, piracy has become worse than ever now, and a stolen workprint (with uninished music, no sound effects, and no VFX) leaked out on line before the release, and is really hurting us, especially internationally. Piracy will be the death of the film industry, as it killed the music industry, and while it makes a smaller dent in huge movies like Spider Man 3, it really hurts films like mine, which have far less of an advertising and production budget. Not only that, critics have actually been REVIEWING the film based off the pirated copy, which is inexcusable. Some of these critics I have actually known for a few years, and while I wouldn't dignify them by mentioning them by name, I know who they are, as do the studios, and other filmmakers, and they will no longer have any access to any of my films.
What I'm saying is, this is your last chance to see one of my films for a while. If you haven't seen it, go now, because after next weekend the film will be gone from theaters. There are too many other summer movies coming in, so basically we get two weeks in cinemas, and then the film will live on DVD. I am not directing CELL any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring, and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall. If everyone on my friends list went to see the film this weekend and brought a friend, it would make a huge difference. Bring a non-horror fan - try to convert them. It's the only way these films will live. But right now the R rated horror film is in serious jeopardy. Studios feel the public doesn't want them any more, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R rated horror. It's the only message they'll hear. People love the movie, and even though it only cost $10 million dollars (as opposed to the other summer tentpoles which cost $300 million), and has already earned its money back, if it's not a massive money earner then they'll just continue to make the same PG-13 films everyone complained about a few years ago.
To counter piracy, fans can flood file sharing services with fake Hostel II downloads just so no one can ever actually get the movie, but the only thing that really makes a difference is supporting the movie in the theaters. Also - the theater OWNERS know this as well. If horror movies aren't bringing in customers, they're not going to program them. If we are going to send them a message, we have to do it with our wallets, and we have to do it now. I've done all I can to make a great film for the fans, as violent and bloody and fun as possible. The rest is up to you guys...
Thanks again for all your support,
Eli
So which is it? Those crummy reviewers who wont give Horror a chance or piracy? And yes, Piracy has killed the music industry as you can tell from the lack of any new music since the invention of the internet..
06-22-07 | 08:01 AM
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I saw this final showing of this last night (looks like that literally was my last chance). Average, imo. I enjoyed the different perspective it offered (the 2 American clients), but by and large it was a retread of part one -- and less engaging, at that.
11-01-07 | 07:47 PM
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Watched this last night. Seemed like a good film for Halloween. It was OK. I liked the fact the the leads in both films were not the typical horror film victims. The bath tub scene disturbed me more when I watching online that in the movie for some reason. The surprise that was in the closet was kind of cool.