I'll just leave it at this Rocshemp.

The writers stated that Callypso said that in a deleted for time line. So the line is there. It's not something pulled out of the collective asses of people.

The ending is very much open ended for interpretation. You want to say it was what you say it was. Many don't. Deal with it as it can go either way.

Shit is deleted from films all the time. In this case, it can and I'm more than certain it will end up on the deleted scenes of the DVD. Will it then make it cannon?

It's open for debate but both sides have reason to believe what they believe.

I think it's pretty clear that if the film isn't in the final version, it isn't cannon. Why should it be?

I didn't mean any offense, Jackskeleton. Obviously this is a more heated debate than I was aware.

My point in bringing out that it's only a deleted scene is because, although said deleted scene does suggest a happy ending, the scenes that did make it into the film all contradict it. the way I see it is that the writers at first intended for that particular story to have a happy ending but (sometime mid-production) it was chosen to change the tone of the ending (for whatever reason) and that scene was cut and it was left as the bittersweet ending we now have.



Now I don't mean to piss on anyone's theories. It's just that I feel it was rather clear. Heck, I'd much rather be in the happy ending camp but I think the unhappy ending is simply setup for the character's reuniting at some point in Jack's/Barbosa's latest adventure in an eventual sequel.

Because while the line wasn't there and edited for time. The end result was still the same. You have Elizabeth and son waiting during the day and having glum looks on their face. Expressing that while it's daddy's day off of the ten years of work, he didn't show up. Yet at sunset, when he would have had to go back the green flash pops up and both of their frowns turn upside down with a look of surprise.

The literal line isn't there but it's still there that the only reason why Jones went all fishy was because his love wasn't faithful for those ten years and his curse wasn't broken. Will and Elizabeth on the other hand did maintain the ten year wait period.

The writers of the movie said on their website that the scene where it's mentioned that the curse is broken for Will was cut from the final film much to their dismay., and that the green flash at the end of the film does in fact symbolize Will's return to a normal life because true love can lift the curse (which was why Davy Jones was so angry with Calypso probably because she betrayed him and left him to his fate)..you can read the interview with the writers here...

Here's what they said:
Rossio: . You might be able to derive that the curse could be broken from the information in the film, but it would be indeed difficult.
Elliot: That green flash was what Terry was referring to when he said it was possible, but very difficult, to figure out from the movie that the curse was broken.

In those two quotes they did confirm that the curse was broken.


But hey, who am I to listen to the two writers of the film? What do they know!

Jerry Bruckheimer maintained that the long running time was needed to make the final battle work in terms of build-up. One scene cut explained that if Calypso had greeted Davy Jones after his ten years of ferrying dead souls, then he would have been freed of his duty: in turn, Will is freed of his captaincy as Elizabeth remains faithful to him ten years later

So all that from three people who can be trusted show what the ending means. as expressed on Wordplay forum which is the homepage for Terry Rossio & Ted Elliott.

So I would count that as "cannon" when it's coming out of the creators mouths.


One example is perfect for this one. Donnie Darko.

Interesting. Did they ever explain what the green flash when Will left was all about? That's the one that made me dismiss the flash when he returned and I wonder if there's any explanation for that.

And there's no need for such a smug attitude, Jack. Although they did indeed write the film, the scene could have been cut for reasons other than time constraints. Afterall, writers often get screwed over in these films. I wouldn't put it past anyone else in the production chain to demand the scene be cut so the ending could be reinterpreted in a sequel. It happens all the time.

So do you suppose there will be an extended cut to this film on DVD/BluRay?

^^^I'd wager 10,000 post on it.

Well, the smug attitude, based on who you ask around here is nothing new for me. But I think it started when I argue both for and against the very same discussion through the 11 previous pages. So I did put myself in everyone's shoes here and looked at the picture on both ways.

I would also agree that the writers are often left holding the bag though the scene was shot and as ol' Jerry bruckheimer up in the post above mentioned that it was simply cut for time. It wasn't them just bypassing the writers. Looks like they tried to maintain the same meaning without having the added three minutes of talk.

Since we are having this discussion it's pretty clear that their effort didn't pan out well enough. I wouldn't say it's twisted for future movies though. It's clear they could still have Will pop up on the ship as Barb's and Jack are sailing for the fountain of youth. Even give Elizabeth some to explain why she still looks 12 in the 10 years later shot.

I don't know, the problem is the writers certainly left plenty of lines of dialog that seems to presume Will could be stuck for eternity. So if they truly meant to show that Will would be free as long as Elizabeth stayed loyal, it also left things quite a bit confusing with talk about the Dutchman needing a captain.

I can assume that Jack Sparrow's case would be different, since he wouldn't be in love or have someone waiting for him, and because Will and Elizabeth are in love it changes the deal. I just wish they made it more clear.

I'm all for a questionable ending, but not in this sort of film.

He would be in the same boat as Davy Jones. His first love is the sea... or rum. So his love would have to be Calypso waiting for him at the shores. We already know she isn't a one man gal so she wouldn't be there and witout doing his job he couldn't step on land.

Even the whole Jack thing was screwed up. If he took on the job he would have to be working non stop on taking the dead to the after life. If he failed to do that he would be all fishy. So the whole eternal life thing isn't all that it's cracked up to be. He realized this and decided to not go for it. That and will needed it more.

How is it you can't question this ending that is pretty open ended. Or for that matter even question it at all when you see the producer and the writers stating what actually happened.

Heh, I was just thinking; even if Will can't come to land she can still go to sea. So even if he has to be on the Dutchman forever, there's really no reason for them to be apart only to hook up every 10 years.

Except for some reason the dad says Elizabeth can't live on the Flying Dutchman.

on the whole I really had a blast with this film... although...

I thought it was a tad corny that the two British soldiers from the first movie

and that starscape boat scene/flipping upside down were homages to Terry Gilliam's Adventures of Baron Munchausen

Seems like ol Davy Jones got screwed over. That's what you get for trusting a free-spirited woman. They are hard to peg down, especially sea goddesses.

I saw this last night. Really didn't do a whole lot for me. I thought it was very talky and nothing really felt like it mattered. Chow Yun-Fat was totally underused considering the big deal about him being in the film. And I seem to recall Jack being in quite a predicament at the end of DMC, and in AWE it seemed like just about the easiest damn thing to rescue him. And wtf happened to the Kraken? That could have really spiced up some of this film. I like that the ending wasn't totally conventional, but at that point my brain felt like mush in my skull. Don't get me wrong, I was entertained, but not enthralled. Maybe I'll like it more once I get the DVD. 8/10.

I meant she could go out and visit. You know, bring a picnic basket, some wine, and some mix tapes.

I know she can't live on the ship 24/7.

But he's in the land of the dead for 10 years. When is she going to visit him?

So pregnant Elizabeth just lived on that island by herself for a year, gave birth by herself, and then raised her son alone? Should I even ask about food, shelter, and the other necessities for existence?

I should say that I did enjoy the movie. Too many double-crosses but still a lot of fun. Special props to Geoffrey Rush, who looked like he was having the most fun out of everyone.

Huh? I would think he can be go back and forth between the 2 worlds just like Jones.

Ok, this isn't Star Wars. I'm not gonna take it this far.

I actually liked it much more then I thought I would. The action was really good as was the visuals. The SFX was just incredible. When they were blowing up Becketts ship and he is just walking down the stairs the visuals in that scene are unbelievable. How did they do it? It really looks like there are wood splinters all over the place. They couldn't do it that way could they? And if they did the actor was one hell of an actor to not react to anything.

Barbossa was awesome. Favorite character in the whole trilogy. When they do four I really hope he is in it.

My main dissapointment was some loose ends or plot points that weren't settled very well at all. The whole Calypso thing was just stupid. They way they ended it in that respect was asinine. They should have had her be more of a presence or something. Davy was better and more believeable as a villain and much more of an interesting character in this one.

My main gripes are in what could have been. I was expecting all out war with the different nations of pirates waging war against the EIC. Instead they just glossed the entire thing over and shook their fists in victory. I think it would have been a better ending if they didn't build up the whole line up of ships. They should have done it that the Black Pearl was just scouting and encountered the main EIC ship or something. It doesn't make any sense that they would just high tail it out of there when they were clearly on the victor side.

That is where they could have brought in Calypso and say something like she would make it safe for pirates to travel or something like that.

Enjoyed it much more then I thought I would but was still dissapointed in what could have been.

The best of the three trilogies this summer...actually month.

Ok, i watched the blu-ray of POTC1 2 days ago, POTC2 yesterday and POTC3 in theaters today. My fav is part 1, followed by part 2, then part 3. The first half of POTC3 was so off the wall and didnt make sense at all. Then the 2nd half was backstab after backstab. The end with the ship getting blown up and the guy walking down the steps, that is Cinema at its finest, just unreal how amazing that looked. I loved the series, but felt the 3rd was still the weakest, but still not weak enough to not enjoy. I will be purchasing the blu-ray come this holiday season for sure.

Saw this film over the weekend. I had no fucking clue what was going on. The plot made Mission: Impossible look like an episode of "Dora the Explorer". There were more double-crosses than a season of "24".

I feel like I've been saying this a lot about movies this summer but, here goes: 'It was good but it was the weakest of the franchise thus far in my opinion'.

Pirates 3 was really unbalanced. It was such a long film (which doesn't bother me) but there were so many plot twists it was just nutty. Character development suffered because they didn't touch so much on the continuing character story lines such as the love triangle, until it felt as if they had a chance to 'throw something in there', and when things are resolved it seems to be at the most inopportune moment in the film. And as far as showing us the characters... there seemed to be either 'not enough' Jack Sparrow, or just wayyyyyyyy too much.

The big payoff for the trilogy, although spectacular in many aspects, seemed to be pretty weak and even hoaky in other moments.

I thought the clip after the end of the credits really makes me feel like I don't want another Pirates film as well. Three was enough. This installment was tolerable but again, the weakest of the three and a fourth if ever made would most likely be rubbish.

I just watched it for the first time, and I have to say it's much better than Dead Man's Chest, and to me, even better than Curse of the Black Pearl. I know opinions vary greatly on this movie, and it's predacessor, but I just felt like it really had a perfect blend. Nothing as really pointless as the cannibal scene. More humor than in Dead Man's Chest, and darker too. I also liked that it fleshed out Davy Jones more, which I thought Dead Man's Chest also fell flat on. As well, Tia Dolme became more than just a useless and throwaway character.

Maybe my expectations were lowered after Dead Man's Chest, or maybe I'm just a sucker for Barbossa, but I still think the trilogy goes AWE > CotBP > DMC.

Finally got around to see it earlier.

Mentioned several pages back that I liked DMC more than the first one and....Well, I liked AWE more than the first as well! Thing is, parts 2 and 3 are such different animals than part one. As if BLACK PEARL is the introduction to the characters and "the story really starts" with DMC. Yet thankfully, there's a few clever inclusions to be found along the way that ties the series together (Like Jackskeleton's good eye on Norrington's sword, for instance)

Yes, AWE feels overstuffed with this character doing this and that character trying to do that. And it brings me back to DMC's audio commentary when it was pointed out that Johnathan Pryce complained about not having much to do in Black Pearl, so it's like EVERY character in the next two entries were given a major assignment. I.e, the fortune teller suddenly becoming a mythic beast and Pentaggali (Or whatever the one-eyed guy's name is) who becomes the only one that can release her, and so forth.
As for the detractors, I also agree with others that minutes could have been excised here and there and I expected to see more of Chow Yun-Fat as well. Plus, and I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet, I thought it was quite a bold move to have Bootstrap kill Norrington.

So why do I still perfer this one over the original? Mostly because the past 2 movies really managed to take me to another place. Much further than Black Pearl was ever able to and I have to give it up to the makers for that.